Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[76LD910]

I agree it does look worse than just saying "the enemy sunk the ship". My point was just practically it's not going to harm Russia's war efforts and it's not going to help the Ukrainians. I don't think it matters much at this point in the grand scheme of the war, it's not going to prevent the Russians from destroying the Ukrainians in the Donbas which is the focal point of the fighting.

Assuming the Russians are capable of it, destroying the Ukrainians in the Donbass will end the war just as effectively as capturing Baghdad ended the war in Iraq.

Only the the forces we were fighting afterwards in Iraq weren't armed with billions of dollars worth of advanced weapons being constantly funneled into a massive unoccupied territory adjacent to our operating zone, and didn't have clear or agreed objectives.

You didn't attempt to answer my question: How is Russia going to deal with the threat of anti-ship missiles that can reach Sevastopol from as far away as Odessa ? That seems like an awfully big oversight to leave behind in a "de-militarized" Ukraine and I don't see how they could deal with that without further occupying territory along the coast and across the dnieper for an indefinite period of time.

 

[Titos]

Not sure I like this gritty reboot of Paw Patrol tbf

It's like the /tv/ Army Dog posts but in real life. Actor is a bit shorter though.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

You didn't attempt to answer my question: How is Russia going to deal with the threat of anti-ship missiles that can reach Sevastopol from as far away as Odessa ? That seems like an awfully big oversight to leave behind in a "de-militarized" Ukraine and I don't see how they could deal with that without further occupying territory along the coast and across the dnieper for an indefinite period of time.

The ship was off the coast was of Odessa, so I don't know what that has to do with Sevastopol, I could be misunderstanding what you mean but besides that in general I don't think there's any chance the Russians doesn't occupy Odessa when all is said and done.

 

[OG Swolemaster]

A cruiser got damaged/sunk? During a war?! Whoa, better get this shit to the media, The public need to know about this!

Seriously, why are people treating this as a gotcha moment for Russia?

Even in WWII a cruiser going down was treated as a major loss by most navies.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Holy shit this is so delusional

Kiev was just a feint Chernihiv was just a feint Kharkov was just a feint Mikolaiev was just a feint I guess

Russia wasted 50 days and counting on shit that didn't matter because reasons. Ukraine has been getting severely beat for 7 weeks but that doesn't matter because the Donbass offensive that hasn't started yet is all that really mattered

Don't overdose on that copium like it's a weekend of krokodil geez

The Donbas has been the focal point of the war since the beginning because that is where the bulk of the Ukrainian forces are. I really don't see what's delusional about that.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Funny you should say that, the last time a cruiser was sunk during a war was in 1982 during the Falklands War, and the headline that covered the papers was this:

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Needless to say, the sinking of a cruiser, the flagship of the fleet no less, is a big deal. While it is obviously not in and of itself decisive for the ground war, it does expose serious vulnerability in the Russian Navy to have such an important vessel, one specialised in AA cover as missile cruisers are, destroyed by anti-ship missiles.

That will naturally have an impact on how the navy is deployed while supporting operations - specifically, it will force the Russians to be a LOT more cautious in committing warships to such operations. And that greatly limits what Russia can do in the southern theatre; I would say amphibious assaults are a no-go now.

Furthermore, it once again shows us that Ukraine is a lot more militarily capable than we'd previously assumed, at least compared with Russia. Had an American capital ship been sunk by Iraqi forces during the Gulf War or the 2003 invasion you can damn well bet people would've made a big deal of it.

As it happens Iraq DID fire Silkworm missiles at a US Navy Iowa class battleship in the Gulf War, but those missiles were shot down and destroyed by CIWS on a British destroyer providing air cover.

The Brits lost 6 ships in the Falklands War and won. But the Royal Navy - while a shadow of previous self by 1982 - was still a more impressive force than the current Russian navy. Idk why Ivan sucks at naval warfare, they're basically a submarine fleet with a few surface vessels to make it look (barely) legit.

Ukraine is more capable than Westerners assumed, they've achieved great propaganda success with their missiles. Obviously with Nato giving them great intelligence about where to aim at, but war isn't supposed to be fair.

Idk what the Russian plans are or if they intended amphibious assaults, but they'd probably have badly fucked that up based on their general lack of coordination so far so it's probably better for them to stick to their strengths of maneuver war on land.

If they need support, they've got an airbase in Crimea, but I don't think trying to zerg rush Odessa from any direction is a good tactic for them given how their assaults on cities have gone so far.

 

[White_N]

Apparently, something is seriously burning in the Zhytomyr region. Now there is already the second air alert in the last 3 hours.

The outskirts of Kharkiv now.

 

[Elbereth]

At this point, I'm sure that even if Ukraine would conquer Moscow and put severed head of Putin on a pike, galaxybrain from this thread would still say "this is good for Russia"

 

[Rezza]

Now even the Russian MoD was forced to admit the ship sunk. So how's it going, Vatnikniggers, still thinking the Russian is going to win?

 

[Bork Laser]

This is like when I played Civ 4 as a kid, built a bunch of units not knowing what they do and acting surprised when I get my shit kicked in.

 

[Hitman One]

It's OK Putinbros. The brave Cruiser Moscow has merely been promoted to submarine.

 

[Fougaro]

A cruiser got damaged/sunk? During a war?! Whoa, better get this shit to the media, The public need to know about this!

Seriously, why are people treating this as a gotcha moment for Russia?

On one hand it confirms that the Russian navy continues its tradition of being irredeemable as a result of the Russian military treating it like the "13th piglet", as my people would say. On the other hand it gives /uhg/ a desperately needed W after all that consecutive feltening they got.

 

[76LD910]

The ship was off the coast was of Odessa, so I don't know what that has to do with Sevastopol, I could be misunderstanding what you mean but besides that in general I don't think there's any chance the Russians doesn't occupy Odessa when all is said and done.

That's approximately the maximum range of the missile that was used, about three times the distance this attack took place from assuming it even originated from Odessa. These classes of missile are typically pre-programmed up to the point it reaches where a target should be then switches to active tracking. Ukraine would theoretically have all the satellite intelligence they would need to hit anything within range in the black sea if deployed from the coast.

And yeah its clear you don't understand what I mean, If the Russians take Odessa will they just avoid ever stationing any ships there since the Ukrainians could just fire at them from 200 miles further inland ? Or will the Russians than have to occupy that territory as well ?

 

[Sammich]

It's not that they have no desire to do so, it's that they lack the munitions at this point. They're struggling.

You aren't living in reality, you are almost always wrong. You really should shut up and eat that hat.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Why are so many of you emotionally invested in this?

 

[White_N]

Now even the Russian MoD was forced to admit the ship sunk. So how's it going, Vatnikniggers, still thinking the Russian is going to win?

Yes, but without the ship.
The Russians once were able to beat the French while losing Moscow.
I like how Ukibross quickly swept the surrender of 1000 Ukrainian soldiers under the rug, declared a shameful defeat of Russia, and started smugly dilating without posting anything of significance.

 

[Frisk]

Why are so many of you emotionally invested in this?

They're shipping it. They're sinking my battleship. Ship just got real. Ship happened. I ship them.

 

[kuuu]

Meanwhile in Kiev.

https://t.me/s/truexanewsua

Those are reports of explosions, just in case.
"AA is working, dun panic" Yeahp, they write that every night too.

 

[Lookie-lou]

Even in WWII a cruiser going down was treated as a major loss by most navies.

yep, treating an old cruiser that was more of a white elephant than a help as a icon was just a giant self own by Moscow. Ukraine finally avenged the Mriya, but at least that plane made some money.
The russian navy practically is just a bunch of frigates and submarines that actually are more of a PIA to enemies than to taxpayers, they should scrap the Kuznetsov too imho... as much as it was a nice ship on paper.

 

[White_N]

Meanwhile in Kiev.

https://t.me/s/truexanewsua

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Those are reports of explosions, just in case.
"AA is working, dun panic" Yeahp, they write that every night too.
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You're one fast son of a bitch

A rocket flew past the window of one of the apartments in Kiev.

Strikes are also taking place in Kharkiv.