Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Pocket Dragoon]

Russians think WW3 already started. Good knowing y'all.
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My 3yr old daughter was chilling with me in the bedroom this afternoon, just laying there looking out the window up at the sky, and for once she was being kind of quiet.

Then out of nowhere she starts telling me all about the sky rockets & the trees on fire, and the sky was on fire too like fireworks. She said something else and I didn't quite catch the rest, but for some reason my hair stood up on end.

Then she got back up to go play with her cats & toys. We don't really watch TV.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

What kind of schitzo shit is this? Yeah, people want Putin gone for obvious reasons, but there is no serious person talking about 'breaking up Russia and erasing the Russian identity and language'. Unless you are talking about nationalist Ukrainians trying to remove Russian as an official language or something, but that's quite a ways off from the US trying to 'erase the Russian identity and language'.


Russia has an out, it can leave Ukraine any time it wants. Putin does not have an out, but Putin is not Russia.

No, I am not talking about nationalist Ukrainians, I'm talking about neocon faggots in influential think tanks stating this openly. The problem is the US State Department, either by happenstance or design, is full of neocons who have stated the Russian Federation should be broken up and the Russian language should not be taught. You think its insane now but watch for it to creep into talk shows, news programs, editorials, cited in increasing numbers of news articles, etc. The seed is being planted just the same as when Russia went from partner to Red Menace 2.0 in less than a decade via increasing alarmist editorials and news programs, to fully erupt into RUSSIAN COLLUSION when Hillary refused to accept no one wants her running the country.

I mean you act like they didn't descend on the former Soviet Union like vultures to pick at its carcass only to be rudely interrupted by Vladimir Putin, which they have never forgotten, or forgiven.

My 3yr old daughter was chilling with me in the bedroom this afternoon, just laying there looking out the window up at the sky, and for once she was being kind of quiet.

Then out of nowhere she starts telling me all about the sky rockets & the trees on fire, and the sky was on fire too like fireworks. She said something else and I didn't quite catch the rest, but for some reason my hair stood up on end.

Then she got back up to go play with her cats & toys. We don't really watch TV.

Kids pick up on our fears, and hear more than we think they do.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Don't be disingenuous, you are well aware the US (and to a lesser degree other NATO nations, but without the US NATO is nothing) have made no secret of their desire to topple Putin and break up Russia, erase the Russian language and identity because "democracy". While some of it is hyperbole from neocons, Biden himself has stated Putin must go and other members of the US government have made equally irresponsible statements (eg Lindsey Graham).

Sure they want Putin gone. But Putin isn't Russia, for all that his ego says he is. That's why they think Putin gone will change things. The rest is ridiculous hyperbole that I'm not sure anyone of any import has even claimed. For that matter I'm skeptical anyone's even said some of it at all. Things like "Break up Russia" and "erase the Russian language" simply aren't things most people would even think of as options.

You don't give someone an out, they can do nothing else but come at you.

Russia still has outs. They just don't have easy outs that let them save face, much less make gains from this war of Putin's. For example, they haven't even tried bringing countries placing the sanctions to the negotiating table. Hell, as far as I know, they haven't even tried to get a cease fire during negotiations. The only one who "needs" to win this is Putin. That's because if he signs a treaty that'll end the war and lift the sanctions, he won't even need to step down as part of it. Russia will eat him alive for being so incompetent as to start a war he couldn't win.

Russia has been here before several times in its lengthy history; the US is about 240 years old by comparison. You tell me who has more gravitas.

To be pedantic, the post USSR Russia is younger than I am. It's barely 30 years old. Even if we add in the Soviet Union, it's barely 100 years old. And the Soviets did their damnedest to break with past cusotms, so I'm skeptical of how much real continuity there is with the Russian Empire. For that matter, several of the states of America were founded as colonies before the Tsardom was turned into the Russian Empire by Peter I, and those states have bearing even in the present day. So I would say there's not as much difference in length of history and of gravitas there as you seem to think.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Sure they want Putin gone. But Putin isn't Russia, for all that his ego says he is. That's why they think Putin gone will change things. The rest is ridiculous hyperbole that I'm not sure anyone of any import has even claimed. For that matter I'm skeptical anyone's even said some of it at all. Things like "Break up Russia" and "erase the Russian language" simply aren't things most people would even think of as options.

Russia still has outs. They just don't have easy outs that let them save face, much less make gains from this war of Putin's. For example, they haven't even tried bringing countries placing the sanctions to the negotiating table. Hell, as far as I know, they haven't even tried to get a cease fire during negotiations. The only one who "needs" to win this is Putin. That's because if he signs a treaty that'll end the war and lift the sanctions, he won't even need to step down as part of it. Russia will eat him alive for being so incompetent as to start a war he couldn't win.

To be pedantic, the post USSR Russia is younger than I am. It's barely 30 years old. Even if we add in the Soviet Union, it's barely 100 years old. And the Soviets did their damnedest to break with past cusotms, so I'm skeptical of how much real continuity there is with the Russian Empire. For that matter, several of the states of America were founded as colonies before the Tsardom was turned into the Russian Empire by Peter I, and those states have bearing even in the present day. So I would say there's not as much difference in length of history and of gravitas there as you seem to think.

No one believed even five years ago we'd be at this point with the only option with the only other nuclear superpower would be war; war with NATO. Ukraine shot down any negotiations before the war began and is still shooting them down, and sine most agree it's not Ukraine but NATO/US calling the shots, you are missing the forest for the trees. Most people do.

Russia as a nation, culture and peoples is far older than the US; did you know Russia established forts and outposts in California before the Gold Rush and before it was considered for statehood? Read up on history son, especially US history.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Kids pick up on our fears, and hear more than we think they do.

Which is why we don't talk about politics, current events, or my history around the house. And I think probably the weirdest thing we watch on TV is like Ancient Aliens but not recently.

I mean, we went see fireworks on 4 July last year, but she was barely aware of things back then. I asked her if she meant bottle-rockets (which she knows), and she quickly answered "Nope", though she usually agrees when I try repeating what she says for clarification.

I dunno; it seemed like an odd choice of non sequitur, even for a 3yr old.

But back on topic, check out these Russian guntrucks, meeting up with a convoy; Ivan is rocking around Ukraine in fucking technicals, probably diverted from Syria. Their shit sucks even worse than ours did in '04, which was mostly soft-side HMMWVs and hardtop deuces, which had been sitting around in V Corps/Germany since the 80's (at least). Fuck, at least we put some armox on the things.

 

[Aidan]

The issue of kids losing their identity didn't stop Ukraine from banning Russian and Greek from schools all the way back in 2014, immediately after the coup.

If you don't trust Russian media, here is a Greek source from eight years ago. The issue was even raised in European parliament for all the good it did.

Sure but none of this matters anymore and there's no reason to talk about it, it has zero bearing on current events. Very disingenuous to even bring this up. None of these sources are trustworthy.
This is Russian disinfo, you're biased. Fake news. Russia is invading Ukraine because they want to genocide Ukrainians.

 

[Malt]

No, I am not talking about nationalist Ukrainians, I'm talking about neocon faggots in influential think tanks stating this openly. The problem is the US State Department, either by happenstance or design, is full of neocons who have stated the Russian Federation should be broken up and the Russian language should not be taught. You think its insane now but watch for it to creep into talk shows, news programs, editorials, cited in increasing numbers of news articles, etc. The seed is being planted just the same as when Russia went from partner to Red Menace 2.0 in less than a decade via increasing alarmist editorials and news programs, to fully erupt into RUSSIAN COLLUSION when Hillary refused to accept no one wants her running the country.

Every 'serious' person I've seen discuss the issue of a Russian breakup has talked about it as though it would be a very undesirable thing from a geopolitical stability perspective. The West was freaking out over terrorists getting ahold of old soviet nukes for well over a decade after the USSR broke up. They don't want to deal with that again. And I've literally never heard anyone talk about eradicating the Russian language. The West loves old Russian intellectual shit, despite the retarded 'cancelation' stuff that has happened. Nobody serious would ever talk about this.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Every 'serious' person I've seen discuss the issue of a Russian breakup has talked about it as though it would be a very undesirable thing from a geopolitical stability perspective. The West was freaking out over terrorists getting ahold of old soviet nukes for well over a decade after the USSR broke up. They don't want to deal with that again. And I've literally never heard anyone talk about eradicating the Russian language. The West loves old Russian intellectual shit, despite the retarded 'cancelation' stuff that has happened. Nobody serious would ever talk about this.

I live in NYC so writers, policy wonks and nutters of every kind infest the universities here. Yeah, they went there and end up at the NY Times and beyond. It may not be mainstream right now but they are working up to making it so.

 

[Aidan]

Russia still has outs. They just don't have easy outs that let them save face, much less make gains from this war of Putin's. For example, they haven't even tried bringing countries placing the sanctions to the negotiating table. Hell, as far as I know, they haven't even tried to get a cease fire during negotiations. The only one who "needs" to win this is Putin. That's because if he signs a treaty that'll end the war and lift the sanctions, he won't even need to step down as part of it. Russia will eat him alive for being so incompetent as to start a war he couldn't win.

Did you watch Putin's announcement of this? Did you miss the first (or second?) week of the war?
To the point, Putin straight up said that the West has proven itself untrustworthy to date after many efforts so negotiations are over for now.

Regarding a cease fire, Russia did agree to a cease fire very early on and even committed to it. I believe at that time people were saying "lol Russia is already slowing down" instead of being cautiously optimistic this shitfest would be over soon. This was during the first or second round of negotiations. I wonder if Ukraine forces honored the ceasefire.
Narrator- "They did not honor the ceasefire"

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Z, then V now O, what does this mean milfags?

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Z, then V now O, what does this mean milfags?
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What if this was all part of Putin's plan to teach Ukies how to read

 

[Elbereth]

Sure but none of this matters anymore and there's no reason to talk about it, it has zero bearing on current events. Very disingenuous to even bring this up. None of these sources are trustworthy.
This is Russian disinfo, you're biased. Fake news. Russia is invading Ukraine because they want to genocide Ukrainians.

I found this very interesting. First of all, EU parlament metions 2 sources. First of this seems rather tabloidy


And mentions banning of greek not as a law, but as a darft. Second doens't mention Ukraine at all.

So, until I see actual act, I'd say banning of greek was alt-right spergout that went nowhere, that's now used as Russian missinfo.

Other links used in EU praliment:
http://www.greeks.ua/content/otkrytoe-pismbmo-chlenam-ukrainskogo-vsemirnogo-sojuza-professionalmbnykh-uchiteley‐_ru/ru
and

https://www.thetoc.gr/diethni/article/autoi-einai-oi-prwtoi-nomoi-pou-psifise-i-kubernisi-tis-oukranias-epelaunei-i-akrodeksia

My best guess: they were removed, because ban of greek and hungarian never went into life.

 

[Malt]

Z, then V now O, what does this mean milfags?

A lot of vaporized Russians in Chernihiv and Sumy were riding in vehicles with O on them. Think that's their grouping. At least according to @UAWeapons twitter account.

 

[Peter Piper]

In a rare W for the Russians (by getting killed) , a T-72 B3?? was owned and turret tossed, thereby creating a fucking badass and war-goth image. No thumbnails for this image!

Note the two "Z's" on top

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

but there is no serious person talking about 'breaking up Russia and erasing the Russian identity and language'.

How's multiculturalism, corporate sponsored racial struggle sessions, and unlimited immigration working out for the West?

The Rooskies are definitely paranoid, but it's true that the 'West' means them harm and has done for a long time. They are deliberately collapsing the living standards of their own people, it's not like they'll be generous if they gain power over Russia.

 

[UVB-76]

Z, then V now O, what does this mean milfags?
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I think that in the first thread we saw that the O is the IFF marking used on top of vehicles, because V or Z marked vehicles had Os on top.
Nevermind, it just seems like the O has been seen on top more often so it was assumed it was a top IFF marking but it seems to be associated with the area from which they crossed the border.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Polite.

 

[Peter Piper]

Z, then V now O, what does this mean milfags?
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O = Russian Army, originally stationed in Belarus (a nice target as well). After their victorious defeat in Kiev, the remaining troop are reconstituted and sent back into the grinder somewhere east of Kharkov.

*Edit, looking at the video, it shows T-72 B's and A's?! Bottom of the barrel stuff.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Friendly fire, I repeat, friendly fire.
The Ukrainians in Berlin came to the editorial office of Welt and demanded that the leadership of the media group dismiss the former employee of the Russian First Channel Marina Ovsyannikova, who became known for holding a live action against the war in Ukraine. The participants of the action declare that Ovsyannikova, who had previously worked for many years in the Russian state, cannot write about Ukraine in the Western media.
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Marina Ovsyannikova
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Well a protest on a pre recorded news slot (too many time zones) followed by her words against sanctions suggests Axel Springer are part of an effort to get sanctions lifted. Her action was a stunt.

The Russian actions now certainly suggest an ambition for a Crimea-Donbass belt plus an effort to take a least some of the old Novorossiya or Russian speaking areas. The positioning of rail heads, DLPR, the coast surely makes it easier. Going on what has happened, I don't see that ambition being realised.

 

[CaesarCzech]

I mean if Putin has no way expect to lose then he might as well make sure you lose as well. Chemicals and perhaps even nukes are gonna be flying in two or three months at most.