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Christ I thought they were supposed to be cute. People really pay for these miserable creatures?
Animal Breeding Horror Show - Featuring trendy bulldogs, exotic bullies and the dog cum cartel
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Somewhere, a furry is jerking off to thicc muscle horses.
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Power level... I had that unicorn that is a healthy pug. He snored less than my ex did. He didn't know he was supposed to be a couch potato, so he was INCREDIBLY active. When he ran, he banked on curves. We'd go to the dog park and he'd race the labs to the river, jump in, and swim like a damn duck. He lived to be 14.
When you let a dog get fat, it can't be active. When a dog can't be active, it gets fat. My boy had a WAIST.
How did I find a breeder who grew healthy pugs? Word of mouth. I went to some pug meetups, checked out the healthiest dogs, and asked their owners where they got them. I kept hearing the same name. That's where I got my boy.
I know 99% of pugs are disasters, but if you look really hard, you can find a gem.
About the toadbullies... A friend that's a vet had an 8 week old one brought in for various puppy shots etc. It had deformed legs, and snarled and bit. She was heartbroken to see it. "A puppy that age should love everyone."
PLUS. ALSO. I saw a snipe sign by the side of the road offering French bulldog puppies for $5K. "Pupies" that is.
When you let a dog get fat, it can't be active. When a dog can't be active, it gets fat. My boy had a WAIST.
How did I find a breeder who grew healthy pugs? Word of mouth. I went to some pug meetups, checked out the healthiest dogs, and asked their owners where they got them. I kept hearing the same name. That's where I got my boy.
I know 99% of pugs are disasters, but if you look really hard, you can find a gem.
About the toadbullies... A friend that's a vet had an 8 week old one brought in for various puppy shots etc. It had deformed legs, and snarled and bit. She was heartbroken to see it. "A puppy that age should love everyone."
PLUS. ALSO. I saw a snipe sign by the side of the road offering French bulldog puppies for $5K. "Pupies" that is.
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LIVESTOCK BREEDING NIGHTMARES & COOL FACTS ABOUT WHAT HUMANS HAVE CREATED
GOATS
Have we yet shared the deformed goats of the Arabic world? They are notorious for islamic content. Here's the most famous called the Damascus goat popular in that can go for millions in USD?
If that's not bad enough they crop their ears like this.
the ears without cutting
We also have the Hijazi Goat which like the Damascus is damn near as tall as a person standing.
heres a kid goat
These arent as islamic and are used for milk and meat. Some of their other spin off breeds are in better conformation (how the body is shaped). Still insanity
I also must mention mini fainting goats.
COWS
This is more for educational purposes.
Modern dairy cows are full size Jersey or classic black and white usually when cows FIRST came to America they were this size (later they got bred to the standard size through selective genetics). These are called mini jerseys and they're popular on homesteads/small holdings and are very healthy little cows.
cute as fuck right?
for reference on what my sperg is going to be about here's a mini Jersey and her baby so you can see the size of her udder, even with her baby feeding you can milk her daily and expect a decent amount for daily use. The udders on beef cattle are even smaller.
Here's a standard size Jersey cow that is used for mass production dairy. I don't know much about Jersey output but Holsteins (black and white) can put out 6 gallons a day and NEED to be milked twice a day where you can do once with a standard mini jersey. (Not milking cows/other dairy animals or animals with babies who aren't suckling means mastitis which is very bad and horribly painful.)
Here's a Holsteins (post milking vs pre milking). If you've ever watched a dairy cow walk they have to waddle around a lot more due to the size of their udder where that's not true with beef cattle/miniature cattle who have relatively small udders.
here's a full size dairy holstein next to a person in a show ring.
People have selectively bred for bigger udders for production. I wouldn't inherently call it a deformity because the cows can still do all their cow behaviors and obviously still make money so it's not as big of a deal as the goats above. Dairy industry basically is forced to keep their cows VERY spoiled and comfortable because unspoiled unhappy cows do not make milk aka no money. So we reap what we sow in terms of making megamilk giant cows.
SHEEP
This one is semi-personal in terms of my opinion. But I included facts of what have to take into account as a shepherd because of what humans did to sheep through selective breeding.
Sheep come in two types, hair sheep and wool sheep. Hair sheep shed their coats annually. and are the most related to the "wild type sheep" (see below).
a mouflon sheep which is a hair sheep. This is a ram, sheep naturally have gigantic testicles.
Wool sheep are the fluffy ones and do not shed and MUST be shorn or else the wool never stops growing. While most sheep in the industry today are meat sheep or show sheep (there's not much money in wool unless you're a hobbyist) most breeds still are wool sheep and need to be shorn. We have bred out a few breeds who are extra wooly and thus run into A LOT of issues.
These are babydoll sheep, sheep with wool on their faces (babydoll sheep have wool on their eyelids) are more prone to going "wool blind" (wool covering eyes) and are more prone to ear infections because of the blockages in the ear. People bred babydoll sheep because they find them cute. I think they look retarded and prefer sheep without wool on their head for the reason of them not going wool blind/having messy faces/ear issues
Sheep who are "wool sheep" also have a few extra skin issues that you have to be careful of, this goes with your annual shearing schedule.
Also please peel your sheep annually if not more often. This is what happens when you don't
The most famous sheep with overgrown wool was a ram who escaped and thus wasn't shorn for a few years. He was named Shrek and became a celebrity. Shrek is a merino sheep (known for immense wool production and thus the most popular breed for it). This is his picture. He was undoubtedly wool blind because they grow top poofs as I've said before.
this is his fleece after FINALLY being shorn. That's really heavy
I also want to share this breed that's popular for meat but that I think is the god awful ugliest thing ever.
Texel sheep
Texel sheep look like pitbulls/bulldogs to me and are good meat sheep, but their issue is the same as with other bulldogs is that they're SO wide that they can get stuck in the birthing canal more often/the moms need help lambing. Lambing time is already a nightmare for shepherds and having to help a flock of moms by helping them with huge lambs isn't fun for mom or shepherd.
Notice they also have a flat back, remember what I said about sheep being bred to be dumb? Well there is a thing with sheep where they roll over on their backs and get stuck and can die from suffocation or predators like crows (which will pick eyes out of sheep), usually this happens in little hills on land. This is called being "cast" and admittedly looks funny as shit despite the dangers. See following image:
Being cast is a result of the following which are all breeding related:
This is not the entire list of every livestock breed, animals like commercial turkeys (who are white feathered unlike the wild type) gain weight like crazy and only have a natural lifespan of 3 years because they're bred to gain weight. So the yearly pardoning of the turkey from the president is kind of stupid because those birds are meant for food not for living long natural lives and if anything, prolonging their lives with their massive weight gain is bad for them because they cannot support their own weight on their little legs. Slaughtering them is more humane than keeping them as pets. I'm positive I'm missing more that's a few animals that are the result of domestication/ selective breeding.
GOATS
Have we yet shared the deformed goats of the Arabic world? They are notorious for islamic content. Here's the most famous called the Damascus goat popular in that can go for millions in USD?
If that's not bad enough they crop their ears like this.
the ears without cutting
We also have the Hijazi Goat which like the Damascus is damn near as tall as a person standing.
heres a kid goat
These arent as islamic and are used for milk and meat. Some of their other spin off breeds are in better conformation (how the body is shaped). Still insanity
I also must mention mini fainting goats.
COWS
This is more for educational purposes.
Modern dairy cows are full size Jersey or classic black and white usually when cows FIRST came to America they were this size (later they got bred to the standard size through selective genetics). These are called mini jerseys and they're popular on homesteads/small holdings and are very healthy little cows.
cute as fuck right?
for reference on what my sperg is going to be about here's a mini Jersey and her baby so you can see the size of her udder, even with her baby feeding you can milk her daily and expect a decent amount for daily use. The udders on beef cattle are even smaller.
Here's a standard size Jersey cow that is used for mass production dairy. I don't know much about Jersey output but Holsteins (black and white) can put out 6 gallons a day and NEED to be milked twice a day where you can do once with a standard mini jersey. (Not milking cows/other dairy animals or animals with babies who aren't suckling means mastitis which is very bad and horribly painful.)
Here's a Holsteins (post milking vs pre milking). If you've ever watched a dairy cow walk they have to waddle around a lot more due to the size of their udder where that's not true with beef cattle/miniature cattle who have relatively small udders.
here's a full size dairy holstein next to a person in a show ring.
People have selectively bred for bigger udders for production. I wouldn't inherently call it a deformity because the cows can still do all their cow behaviors and obviously still make money so it's not as big of a deal as the goats above. Dairy industry basically is forced to keep their cows VERY spoiled and comfortable because unspoiled unhappy cows do not make milk aka no money. So we reap what we sow in terms of making megamilk giant cows.
SHEEP
This one is semi-personal in terms of my opinion. But I included facts of what have to take into account as a shepherd because of what humans did to sheep through selective breeding.
Sheep come in two types, hair sheep and wool sheep. Hair sheep shed their coats annually. and are the most related to the "wild type sheep" (see below).
a mouflon sheep which is a hair sheep. This is a ram, sheep naturally have gigantic testicles.
Wool sheep are the fluffy ones and do not shed and MUST be shorn or else the wool never stops growing. While most sheep in the industry today are meat sheep or show sheep (there's not much money in wool unless you're a hobbyist) most breeds still are wool sheep and need to be shorn. We have bred out a few breeds who are extra wooly and thus run into A LOT of issues.
These are babydoll sheep, sheep with wool on their faces (babydoll sheep have wool on their eyelids) are more prone to going "wool blind" (wool covering eyes) and are more prone to ear infections because of the blockages in the ear. People bred babydoll sheep because they find them cute. I think they look retarded and prefer sheep without wool on their head for the reason of them not going wool blind/having messy faces/ear issues
Sheep who are "wool sheep" also have a few extra skin issues that you have to be careful of, this goes with your annual shearing schedule.
- sheep pimples (cysts that can hide under the wool so the farmer doesn't even know, this actually also happens in finer furred dogs like poodles)
- flystrike (this is why the tails of lambs are docked, sheep naturally have long tails that they wag when happy/nursing) Flystrike is when flies lay eggs usually near the rear end of a sheep because it's rear has fecal matter on it. They will eat your sheep alive and this can happen even to good farmers because animals are not clean.
- you need to shave the udders of some sheep before lambing (or else the lambs cannot feed properly).
- you can't always tell if a sheep is a bit too thin or fat with wool on
- We also bred sheep to be kind of retarded, the more "wild" breeds like shetlands (who are wool sheep) are notoriously tricky to move and more intelligent aka untrusting of humans (they're not wrong you know). So some breeds of sheep basically have a negative IQ and anyone whose worked with sheep can attest to this that they do retarded things and can die from their retardation like getting caught in a bush and not realizing they can back out of it. However, we bred for stupid sheep because herding sneaky smart breeds like Shetlands is a nightmare. Thus we must now cope with the consequences of retard sheep.
Also please peel your sheep annually if not more often. This is what happens when you don't
The most famous sheep with overgrown wool was a ram who escaped and thus wasn't shorn for a few years. He was named Shrek and became a celebrity. Shrek is a merino sheep (known for immense wool production and thus the most popular breed for it). This is his picture. He was undoubtedly wool blind because they grow top poofs as I've said before.
this is his fleece after FINALLY being shorn. That's really heavy
I also want to share this breed that's popular for meat but that I think is the god awful ugliest thing ever.
Texel sheep
Texel sheep look like pitbulls/bulldogs to me and are good meat sheep, but their issue is the same as with other bulldogs is that they're SO wide that they can get stuck in the birthing canal more often/the moms need help lambing. Lambing time is already a nightmare for shepherds and having to help a flock of moms by helping them with huge lambs isn't fun for mom or shepherd.
Notice they also have a flat back, remember what I said about sheep being bred to be dumb? Well there is a thing with sheep where they roll over on their backs and get stuck and can die from suffocation or predators like crows (which will pick eyes out of sheep), usually this happens in little hills on land. This is called being "cast" and admittedly looks funny as shit despite the dangers. See following image:
Being cast is a result of the following which are all breeding related:
- they're pregnant and thus VERY wide
- They are unshorn and thus VERY wide
- you always breed sheeps for flat backs to have even weight distribution, the only downside is if they're flat on their back....they get stuck. note with the mouflon the conformation of the ram that even if he didn't have horns, he likely could not be cast the same way because he's not THICC
This is not the entire list of every livestock breed, animals like commercial turkeys (who are white feathered unlike the wild type) gain weight like crazy and only have a natural lifespan of 3 years because they're bred to gain weight. So the yearly pardoning of the turkey from the president is kind of stupid because those birds are meant for food not for living long natural lives and if anything, prolonging their lives with their massive weight gain is bad for them because they cannot support their own weight on their little legs. Slaughtering them is more humane than keeping them as pets. I'm positive I'm missing more that's a few animals that are the result of domestication/ selective breeding.
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those are the thing with the quivering jaw from yume nikki. particularly the second one
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I’ve seen the over muscled halter horses but goddamn…those straight legged horses. People show them looking like that?
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This thread is the reason why I think the sticker was being literal.
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These are good for modifying people's car stickers. Just put them over the hearts.
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@Meiwaku I can't quote your post but what in the everliving fuck is this Damascus goat shit???
These aren't even recognizable as goats anymore.
These aren't even recognizable as goats anymore.
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@Meiwaku I can't quote your post but what in the everliving fuck is this Damascus goat shit???
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These aren't even recognizable as goats anymore.
It looks like something out of Berserk.
God should honestly kick our shit in and finish us off. Look at how we defile His beautiful creatures.
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As ugly as there are, unlike other extreme looking breeds, they don't have any associated health problems and it's generally considered a very hardy breed. I'd assume goat show specimens might be unhealthy just because seriously overbred animals are, but that's just how that breed has looked since time immemorial.
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SMASHED and SLAMMED dogs I stole from 4chan
^ this one appears to shit itself while running
edit: How could I forget these amazing names
+ bonus SMASHED and SLAMMED sheep
^ this one appears to shit itself while running
edit: How could I forget these amazing names
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you know those times where you regret asking a question because the answer becomes your new sleep paralysis demon? I’m experiencing that right now. Jesus Christ those poor horses are beyond fucked. How can the one on the right even eat?
Do miniature donkeys have this same issue? I vaguely know a breeder and I’m now giving them some very heavy side eye.
I’m so confused by this. While horses are pets too, they’re more often pets with purpose. What the fuck would be the benefit of a horse you can’t ride or compete with or use for a specific utility? Especially quarter horses because aren’t they used quite extensively in the US for various types of sports and shows? I’d always wondered about that extreme musculature though. Interesting to hear that it is indeed a breeding abnormality we’ve selected for. Curious what, if any, problems it would cause.
I was actually discussing this thread with someone the other day and they mentioned that apparently many of the pacer breeds are messed up too.
Quite apart from being terrifying, I’m curious about what @Meiwaku said about them being worth a lot of money. WHY?! And I’m shocked that they‘re hardy. They look like they should have breathing issues like pugs.@Meiwaku I can't quote your post but what in the everliving fuck is this Damascus goat shit???
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These aren't even recognizable as goats anymore.
Also, I can’t quote you either, but thank you for the post Meiwaku. It was very interesting and informative. Though it did also make me realise that much of my knowledge of farm animals comes from having read Footrot Flats comics as a kid haha. I always wondered what a ‘cast ewe’ actually was. Fly strike and the shearing issues I was familiar with though. I’m surprised to hear sheep for wool alone isn’t profitable. Don’t NZ and Australia do a lot of that kind of farming for merino wool production?
Wool on your eyelids sounds like a fucking nightmare might I add. It drives me insane to have a loose wool fibre anywhere near my eyes/nose/face in general, so that just sounds like some deep circle of hell shit.
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that sway back dog was from the MySpace era, probably 12ish years ago? Dog was obviously fucked up but the breeder convinced some dumb kid that the dog was fine/would grow out of it and took his money. I wish I remembered the kennels name but that was super shady.
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I'm only on page 4 but god I'm MATI. Little PL, I had a pure breed siamese. Now siamese cats are pretty inbred, but she was pretty healthy (seal point) this shit reminds me of flame points, which are so cancer riddled and retarded they're basically tumerous potatoes. Flame points are the white siamese cats with orange faces, ears and paws/tails.
And while she was pure enough to have papers, I got her at a shelter because the people caring for her were fucking hoarders that ruined her "value" via lighting. (For those that don't know, siamese colors are essentially heat maps. Their feet, faces, ears and tails get cold, thus darker markings. Lighter the fur, warmer the environment and placement on kitty) she was pale af from no sunlight, depressed, and too skittish for shows because she was nervous around other cats after being bullied horrifically. Did not give a fuck, she was the best cat I ever fuckin had.
OH and on the topic of cruelty, DO NOT REMOVE CLAWS! I didn't know this at the time, but they remove the entire first knuckle and it causes terrible arthritis later in life, and can cause it earlier than normal. It can also lead to complications (looked like a fucking crime scene when a vessel ruptured on her paw
) Also spaying and neutering is more than preventing more cats, it prevents cancer which is a serious problem in many cats.
But if that's not enough- cats can have 3 litters a year, and can get pregnant by 4 months. Each litter can have 1-8, so an average lifespan can result between 100 and 400 kittens. From ONE CAT. They can also have multiple fathers to a litter on top of all of that, too. Which is why kittens can be so vastly different in patterns, colorations, even breeds sometimes. A feral litter I took care of had 3 different fathers for the one litter! Not an exaggeration!
Eta: I spell gud
And while she was pure enough to have papers, I got her at a shelter because the people caring for her were fucking hoarders that ruined her "value" via lighting. (For those that don't know, siamese colors are essentially heat maps. Their feet, faces, ears and tails get cold, thus darker markings. Lighter the fur, warmer the environment and placement on kitty) she was pale af from no sunlight, depressed, and too skittish for shows because she was nervous around other cats after being bullied horrifically. Did not give a fuck, she was the best cat I ever fuckin had.
OH and on the topic of cruelty, DO NOT REMOVE CLAWS! I didn't know this at the time, but they remove the entire first knuckle and it causes terrible arthritis later in life, and can cause it earlier than normal. It can also lead to complications (looked like a fucking crime scene when a vessel ruptured on her paw
) Also spaying and neutering is more than preventing more cats, it prevents cancer which is a serious problem in many cats. But if that's not enough- cats can have 3 litters a year, and can get pregnant by 4 months. Each litter can have 1-8, so an average lifespan can result between 100 and 400 kittens. From ONE CAT. They can also have multiple fathers to a litter on top of all of that, too. Which is why kittens can be so vastly different in patterns, colorations, even breeds sometimes. A feral litter I took care of had 3 different fathers for the one litter! Not an exaggeration!
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I'm sure someone somewhere is making sad mutant donks, but all the minis I know are robust and happy. Same as actual Shetlands, really - small stocky draught animals, loads of pulling power, thrive on small areas of shitty pasture, enjoy bullying dogs and small children.
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Haha, whore kitty
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Everytime I have come back to see this thread I thought that it was a majority fucked up chihuahua being compared to a weird sheep. My realization made me feel dumb and horrified at once. Would be interesting to see how its facial structure compares to a brachycephalic dogs, that airway must be knarly.
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At least with the texels it's a known trade-off...
Basically, purebreds are a pain in the ass, but a good breeding tup is worth 5 figures because all his half breed offspring will be low maintenance quickfat lambs.
If you want something really weird look into Belgian Blue etc cattle. They have a myostatin deficiency so they look like Rob Liefeld cows, are high maintenance with crazy health problems but clean up in the dairy Artificial Insemination market