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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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How do you guys feel about pro-russia people always popping in here when russia is either doing some strong propaganda push or looks like they achieved something and never when they fail in obvious ways, at least not that much.

Now that russia started an offensive siddenly all pro-russia people come back onto this thread to run russian talking points, after moscova articles they came gloating how it survived they then disappear when it was said it sunk.

It's just interesting, pro-rus people only appear when there is an argument that's pro-russian like the kneecapping vid and never when russia is losing in obvious ways.
I think its just the nature of online discourse.
People leave their echo chambers to gloat when 'news' comes out that benefits their position or forces their perceived opponents to cope.

We don't? We are a part of society.
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How do you guys feel about pro-russia people always popping in here when russia is either doing some strong propaganda push or looks like they achieved something and never when they fail in obvious ways, at least not that much.

Now that russia started an offensive siddenly all pro-russia people come back onto this thread to run russian talking points, after moscova articles they came gloating how it survived they then disappear when it was said it sunk.

It's just interesting, pro-rus people only appear when there is an argument that's pro-russian like the kneecapping vid and never when russia is losing in obvious ways.

Russians, I feel sorry for you, I do. Please join the RF army and die for RF and uncle Putin, he is right, you just need to die for his rightness until it becomes reality. Do not hesitate there are statues all over europe to Red Army martyrs, may you become one.

Please, just die fot the cause, die for Putin, it's important.
I don't think all of the pro-Russians here might necessarily think of themselves as pro-Russian but I think it's become patently obvious a lot of the dissident left/right sources they follow are either useful idiots with talking points that conveniently align with Moscow's or just straight up have a direct copium connection to Olgino.
 
How do you guys feel about pro-russia people always popping in here when russia is either doing some strong propaganda push or looks like they achieved something and never when they fail in obvious ways, at least not that much.

Now that russia started an offensive siddenly all pro-russia people come back onto this thread to run russian talking points, after moscova articles they came gloating how it survived they then disappear when it was said it sunk.

It's just interesting, pro-rus people only appear when there is an argument that's pro-russian like the kneecapping vid and never when russia is losing in obvious ways.

Russians, I feel sorry for you, I do. Please join the RF army and die for RF and uncle Putin, he is right, you just need to die for his rightness until it becomes reality. Do not hesitate there are statues all over europe to Red Army martyrs, may you become one.

Please, just die fot the cause, die for Putin, it's important.

Don't be mean. They are just too repellent to be accepted by the RF (no small feat). They are mad that they can't get any of that tasty dedovshchina action.


I think some of the oligarchs are beginning to feel a bit of pressure...

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A Russian oligarch has lambasted the country's "massacre" in Ukraine and called for an end to the "crazy war".
Oleg Tinkov wrote in a profanity-littered Instagram post that he did not see "any beneficiary" of the conflict.
Mr Tinkov is one of Russia's most well-known entrepreneurs and founded the global online bank Tinkoff Bank and owned the cycling team Tinkoff-Saxo.
He is also one of the most high profile Russians to publicly condemn President Vladimir Putin's actions.
Two of the country's most prominent oligarchs Mikhail Fridman and Oleg Deripaska have made separate calls for peace, but have stopped short of direct criticism.
Mr Fridman, a billionaire banker, has said any personal remarks could be a risk not just to himself but also staff and colleagues.

Mr Tinkov said "90%" of his country's people were against the war and added "morons in any country are 10%".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61163546

 
I don't think all of the pro-Russians here might necessarily think of themselves as pro-Russian but I think it's become patently obvious a lot of the dissident left/right sources they follow are either useful idiots with talking points that conveniently align with Moscow's or just straight up have a direct copium connection to Olgino.
And the moment it's necessary, they all lunge at their gripes with the US government. I was just talking with a tard in a Happenings and as a refutation of my statement, he said that Joe Biden stole the vote.

smh.
 
Don't be mean. They are just too repellent to be accepted by the RF (no small feat). They are mad that they can't get any of that tasty dedovshchina action.


I think some of the oligarchs are beginning to feel a bit of pressure...

Excerpt:


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61163546

Tinkov looks like he's trying to commit suicide by putin. What a madman.

"Waking up with a hangover, the generals realised that they have a shit army.

"And how will the army be good, if everything else in the country is shitty and mired in nepotism, sycophancy and servility?"
 
And the moment it's necessary, they all lunge at their gripes with the US government. I was just talking with a tard in a Happenings and as a refutation of my statement, he said that Joe Biden stole the vote.

smh.
My girlfriends mom thinks that "when" the Russians take Kyiv all the proof of voter fraud will come out.

Because apparently not only does the DNC keep receipts of their fraud, they keep these receipts in a country likely to be invaded since 2014 in a high-priority city close to the border of the invading nation.
 
My girlfriends mom thinks that "when" the Russians take Kyiv all the proof of voter fraud will come out.

Because apparently not only does the DNC keep receipts of their fraud, they keep these receipts in a country likely to be invaded since 2014 in a high-priority city close to the border of the invading nation.
unreal levels of cope and delusion
like yeah bro if i'm gonna fraud my way to the US presidency, i'll make sure to keep documentation of my fraudulent behavior around, and i'll store it in an unstable country on the other side of the globe because trust the plan bro Q predicted this
 
unreal levels of cope and delusion
like yeah bro if i'm gonna fraud my way to the US presidency, i'll make sure to keep documentation of my fraudulent behavior around, and i'll store it in an unstable country on the other side of the globe because trust the plan bro Q predicted this
I keep detailed records of my criminal activity.
Don't worry though, I hid it in the Kashmir region between India, Pakistan and China.
Nothing could ever go wrong there!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a believer of the magic pole vault Biden pulled at 2am or when Georgia when from 99.7% reporting to 81% reporting all the sudden. But to expect Putin trying to conquer his neighbor is gonna prove it all is some next level stuff.
 
Tell that to everyone who can't, while this thread is obviously shat up by a lot of people like me by sperging there are times where 3-4 pages a day are spent arguing with with "muh based russian antifa is winning against the nationalistic fascist tranny Ukie globohomo nazis just look, all according to plan, it's a feign, it's just now starting, it's this it's that"

While I kinda appreciate their input, whatever, it's something else, they can point out news others miss, I'm kinda tired of pointless arguing against them, those people, like most people, have their minds made up, they chose their side and they'll stick to it harder than russian soldiers.

Still not hard to ignore screaming toddlers and focus on the useful stuff.

Don't know why so many of you newfags struggle with being able to skip past someone who's either so dim the vodka is killing off their last brain cells, or is quite literally just in to troll people.
 
Don't know why so many of you newfags struggle with being able to skip past someone who's either so dim the vodka is killing off their last brain cells, or is quite literally just in to troll people.
Because they fucking whine about GLOBOHOMO and LIBS. Because if your view aligns with GLOBOHOMO then it must be that you're a SHEEP. No fucking exceptions, because apparently nuance is a lost art and everyone who practised it has died.
 
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And to nobody's surprise Germany is well... Germany.
"No, we don't have anything we can ship you, but feel free to buy some stuff from Rheinmetall and H&K off this list, and we'll cover it for you."

To be fair.

This is pretty much how the UK is operating also after getting rid of the NLAWs and StarStreaks.
 
My girlfriends mom thinks that "when" the Russians take Kyiv all the proof of voter fraud will come out.

Because apparently not only does the DNC keep receipts of their fraud, they keep these receipts in a country likely to be invaded since 2014 in a high-priority city close to the border of the invading nation.
There were posters here saying things like that with only a slight hint of irony. Like Putin's liberator battalions were going to roll into Kiev, find the secret mainframe containing the Bidens' dirt and use it to blackmail Biden. Some truly Qtarded shit that was already ridiculous even in the heady first few days when it seemed like Ukraine was hours away from collapsing.
 
To be fair.

This is pretty much how the UK is operating also after getting rid of the NLAWs and StarStreaks.
Well, you've sent them pretty much everything you can directly spare. Germany is uh... well... probably in the same boat, but unlike the UK had about fuck-all in inventory they could offload thanks to all that chronic underspending.
 
Well, you've sent them pretty much everything you can directly spare. Germany is uh... well... probably in the same boat, but unlike the UK had about fuck-all in inventory they could offload thanks to all that chronic underspending.
Are the Germans genuinely counting on those Leopard Is, Marders, and Flakpanzer Gepards for arming their military in wartime or is this more please I'm scared of being called a Nazi bullshit from the German Government? I can't imagine they realistically would use the things.
 
Are the Germans genuinely counting on those Leopard Is, Marders, and Flakpanzer Gepards for arming their military in wartime or is this more please I'm scared of being called a Nazi bullshit from the German Government? I can't imagine they realistically would use the things.
Well, considering how ready for battle their Leopard 2's are, all that outdated shit might the only stuff that's in enough quantity to arm the callups should things get hot. And I wish I were joking. I don't blame them too much. I don't have the article handy sadly, but IIRC Germany did an audit of its armed forces in 2017 in response to Trump's complaints about their status and the number of functioning and battle ready Leo 2s was in the double digits. And I haven't heard much since then on how well their readiness state has improved, but I doubt its all that much. So, say half their total inventory of about 200 or so. Yeah, that's right. Considering Poland has a mix of 2A5's and 20 or so modernized 2A4's as the 2PL as their modern units, its probably about equal to the Germans in terms of capability.

Meanwhile in Spain:
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    Spain: The Spanish Army operates 327 Leopard 2s (108 ex-German Leopard 2A4s and 219 new-built Leopard 2A6+ (Leopard 2E). Spain offered its Leopard 2A4 for comparative tests to be conducted by the Peruvian Army for possible acquisition. By September 2013, the Leopard 2A4 had been disqualified by Peru due to logistical complexities.
Yeah, that's right, the fucking lazy-ass Spanish probably have more working Leos than Germany. Its worth pointing out that Germany supplies spare parts only by the complete vehicle to buyers, as in the buyers explicitly buy vehicles to be parted out as spares, so that should tell you something about how the Germans view maintenance.
 

Germany wants to reduce Russian oil imports by 50 % till this Summer and completely by the end of the year. Then gas imports will follow. This within an EU frame. They hope to be able to stop gas imports completely by 2024. Long timeframe but things keep moving. Wonder what this will do to the Russian economy.

The current German chancellor Olaf Schulz is very reluctant when it comes to aid for Ukraine. He is backpaddling a lot and only giving after mounting international pressure. It's weird to such an degree that some people are speculating that the Russian secret service might have dirt on him or his political party.

The Green party is ironically calling for more weapon deliveries. They secured my vote for the state election in May already.
 
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