Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Captain Syrup]

Farscape is awesome.

Really brings into sharp focus how dull the Delta Quadrant is. Farscape is the one series where the human had to adapt.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

The Maori Ninja with the Australian accent is absolutely the worst actor I've ever seen on any of the Star Trek series'. He is more miscast than Karl Urban in The Boys.
I swear, I'm waiting for him to say "G'day, mate!" before cutting someone in half.

 

[Flexo]

What the fuck is this shit! This is the BEST scene? Damn I want to kill all humans so bad now.

EDIT: END! LET IT END! END!!!

 

[White Devil]

Tilly so fat, the Enterprise has to do orbits around her to go back in time.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Tilly so fat, she became the new Vulcan planet.

 

[UnKillFill]

Tilly so fat, the Enterprise has to do orbits around her to go back in time.

Tilly so fat, Kirk went back to the 80s to save her.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

In today's episode of Star Trek: PukeHard the FBI agent that arrests Picard and Guinan (played by the same guy who in Voyager that served on the timeship Wells) had a close encounter with Vulcans when he was a kid that freaked him out because the Vulcans tried to mind meld the memory from him before beaming up. Slight problem with that though. In Enterprise mind melds were taboo and gave T'Pol mind AIDS so why were Vulcans doing mind melds?

Also, Tilly's so fat that ships warp around her to go back in time.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

What the fuck is this shit! This is the BEST scene? Damn I want to kill all humans so bad now.

Holy shit, Seven's PTSD is triggered by sail phone batteries.

"I can taste the stabilizing metals in that cell phone." - 7 of 9

Its so melodramatic, it feels like a parody of nu-trek.

 

[Flexo]

Holy shit, Seven's PTSD is triggered by sail phone batteries.

"I can taste the stabilizing metals in that cell phone." - 7 of 9

Its so melodramatic, it feels like a parody of nu-trek.

And the idiots have apparently never watched Voyager. Seven was assimilated as a child, she barely remembered the incident and as shown in another episode:

LIKED the collective. It was years on Voyager before she started rejecting them. Even then it wasn't this PTSD stuff.

 

[draggs]

Tilly so fat Barclay would not have sex with fake her in the holodeck

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

I don't get how the Borg "queen" works. I thought the Borg were a single leaderless hivemind, and then there's a "queen"?

And why did they need to abduct and assimilate Picard if they already had the "queen" anyway?

I liked Alice Krige as the Borg Queen, she was a good bad guy. I didn't mind that it undercuts the previous idea of the Borg as a kind of cyborg wasp hive - it's more satisfying storytelling when you have actual characters as the antagonists.

Tho the BDSM overtones with Data were creepy.


If they were literally just the sum of the collective consciousness of their members, why would they still be assimilating new victims? Why does every Borg cube collaborate with the others? Why are they trying to conquer the galaxy? They don't need to in order to live or gain resources. Seems like they were all forced into it and would be looking for ways to either cure themselves or stop that kind of trauma being inflicted on others.

An evil intelligent overmind answers those questions, and fits the metaphor of an insect colony - all drones are equal but not all members of the hive are drones.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

If they were literally just the sum of the collective consciousness of their members, why would they still be assimilating new victims?

I think they do that to "achieve perfection" - adding "biological and technological distinctiveness" to their own.

Sort of like how the Zerg in StarCraft or the Tyranids in Warhammer 40K assimilate DNA.

 

[Commander X]

For the record

Farscape is ball lickingly awesome. If you haven't seen it go watch it.

It's not Trek but then it never tried to be. It is it's whole own thing.

Farscape was a great show. It was damned funny too. The story-arc episodes were usually fairly serious, but a bunch of the one-off monster-of-the-week episodes were hilarious. And John Crichton's bro-friendship with warrior-race-guy D'Argo is pretty much the best one in sci-fi TV to this day.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

I think they do that to "achieve perfection" - adding "biological and technological distinctiveness" to their own.

Sort of like how the Zerg in StarCraft or the Tyranids in Warhammer 40K assimilate DNA.

Yeah that's their stated goal. But why is it their stated goal? What does your average Hugh or Suzy of 9 get out of any of this? Do they, as drones, even have goals? If not, how could a trillion drones have goals? Multiplying zero still gives you zero.

They're not machines, they're people who have been forcibly integrated with machines. If their emotions and personal ambitions, wants and needs have been suppressed, kinda needs someone or something to replace those lost motivators, even if it's just an evil AI. Being a Borg seems to be some kind of quasi-living cyber Hell where they all look like miserable techno-goths and live in pods in what looks like some kind of laser tag facility in space. Presumably there's no flirting, fucking, or fun holodeck adventures on a Borg ship, and they probably don't even get to play laser tag.

A Queen supplying direction and goals answers the question of why they don't all just commit suicide or something.

 

[Quintex96]

I liked Alice Krige as the Borg Queen, she was a good bad guy. I didn't mind that it undercuts the previous idea of the Borg as a kind of cyborg wasp hive - it's more satisfying storytelling when you have actual characters as the antagonists.

The concept of the Borg Queen catches a lot of flak but, In the context of First Contact, The Borg Queen does sort of make sense. The Borg are a hive mind with a collective intelligence and are travelling back in time to a point where their collective may not even exist yet. No collective means they are stuck with the small number of drones they have aboard the sphere, so the Queen existing as an emergency commander due to being displaced from the rest of the collective in the future i feel makes sense without braking existing canon.

Ne excuses for her in Voyager though

 

[White Devil]

Tilly so fat, Praxis exploding was just her passing gas.

 

[greenthrowaway]

Tilly so fat her BMI reads like a stardate.

 

[Never Scored]

Tilly so fat her crack is the size of the neutral zone.

 

[Flexo]

Yeah that's their stated goal. But why is it their stated goal? What does your average Hugh or Suzy of 9 get out of any of this? Do they, as drones, even have goals? If not, how could a trillion drones have goals? Multiplying zero still gives you zero.

They're not machines, they're people who have been forcibly integrated with machines. If their emotions and personal ambitions, wants and needs have been suppressed, kinda needs someone or something to replace those lost motivators, even if it's just an evil AI. Being a Borg seems to be some kind of quasi-living cyber Hell where they all look like miserable techno-goths and live in pods in what looks like some kind of laser tag facility in space. Presumably there's no flirting, fucking, or fun holodeck adventures on a Borg ship, and they probably don't even get to play laser tag.

A Queen supplying direction and goals answers the question of why they don't all just commit suicide or something.

The Dominion is the ideal perfect form of fascism. All in service to the Founders, nothing outside the Founders, with the Great Link serving as a great metaphor/example of group think and how those in charge can get stuck believing their own hype.

The Borg SHOULD be the ideal perfect form of communism - to each according to their [bare minimum] needs, from each according to their ability with nobody even thinking of themselves as an individual but only thinking of the whole. They all don't commit suicide because they literally don't see themselves as individuals.

Their motivations and such would have been an interesting topic for some episodes of Voyager. As a hypothetical, with so many minds joined together and "collectivizing" it would make sense that the Borg's only goal are the universals among all of their members: survival and spread (reproduction). So the cubes go out into the stars to search for more resources for the drones and more bodies to make more drones to keep expanding the Collective.

It would also have allowed the writers to create a more sensible weakness for the Borg. With countless minds acting as problem solvers, the Borg would have the ability to adapt anything they already had to overcome almost any challenge. But what they would lack and would be suppressed in a hive mind is the ability to invent. Hence why they would constantly be looking out for new shiny things others have invented because then the new tech gives the Borg new adaption options.

The concept of the Borg Queen catches a lot of flak but, In the context of First Contact, The Borg Queen does sort of make sense. The Borg are a hive mind with a collective intelligence and are travelling back in time to a point where their collective may not even exist yet. No collective means they are stuck with the small number of drones they have aboard the sphere, so the Queen existing as an emergency commander due to being displaced from the rest of the collective in the future i feel makes sense without braking existing canon.

Ne excuses for her in Voyager though

That's what they SHOULD have done. The other weakness the writers should have left the Borg is that there is a practical challenge to keeping a hivemind linked. Since we do see (and it would make sense) that Borg cut off from the collective revert to individualism rather quickly, then a Borg "policy" should be to always try and maintain the hivemind. When far enough away from the infrastructure that would allow mass mind communication, yeah then it would make sense for the Borg to then institute something like a "queen" policy of giving one mind power and delegation authority to keep the other minds in line to prevent reverting to individualism.

Voyager got it right with Scorpion. Why they insisted on bringing back the Queen (and then making her such a dumbass) I'll never understand.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Tilly so fat Barclay would not have sex with fake her in the holodeck

I think the writers lack the skill to write a modern Barclay who is unsure of themselves but also competent.