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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Then what do you call the Azov battalion when they wave the German Swastika flag?
I met some of them. Obviously, I can't speak for the entirety of the battalion but they told me stories of how they would get stoned and ignore the commander's attack order. And that was 2015.

Pretty sure that the wolf's hook and the black sun are aesthetic to them, rather than actual meaningful symbols.
 
LiveUA map appears to show Russian shelling is being concentrated around the front lines of Karkiv in the North and Zaporizhyie in the south.

Ukies have claimed to shoot down:

2 SU Jets near Izum

1 SU Jet near Donbass

KA-52 near Pavlivka (Not the one seen in this thread already)

MI:8 near Malynivka

1 Orlan 10 drone shot down

1 Orlan 10 drone captured.
 
A Russian news source - Readovka - made a now deleted VK post that claimed that during a closed military briefing the numbers given for soldiers lost by Russia is 13,414 with approximately 7000 more missing.


Archive of the original VK post.


Obviously, this cannot be verified, but is somewhat reminiscent of a previous "leak" on Pro-Russian media.

It does seem to match up well with Ukrainian reports of Russian battlefield losses.

I think it does show a level of discontent in the Russian news media, with perhaps a few people either trying to undermine Russian war support through lying OR by trying to give people access to the truth. Unfortunately, we are unlikely to find out.

There has already been plenty of discussion of Russian losses in the thread so I won't belabour the point except to say, when also considering those injured and maimed on the Russian side it is clear these types of losses are wholly unsustainable. Unless something changes, be that a general mobilisation or new more effective tactics it's hard to see how Russia could maintain this war going forward.


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Most believe it's a hack - inclined to agree - but notably many are aware of what Ukraine claims. Therefore, their access to non-Russian sources, while limited, isn't completely cut off.
 

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Where do you get this idea? Western governments (USA) will prop up ANYONE, you don't have to promote or be respectful of "Western Values", you can be the most vile dirt bags alive and you'll still receive billions in US support and arms.

Examples: Saudi Arabia, Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Philippines, Afghanistan, various South American and African shitholes run by brutal dictators.

Not that I think Ukraine has a "Nazi government." They just have a lot of Nazis IN government, and, unlike USA or USSR, actual military units (not mercenaries) using Nazi insignia, a Nazi party, etc.

A couple of years ago, the line was "if you sit at a table with Nazis, and you don't kick the Nazis out, you're a Nazi". Times have changed since Trump left office, I guess.
That is kinda trust that the US will attempt Machiavellian scheming with supporting enemies of their enemies, but stuff like Saudi Arabia isn't the worst to support. It was just a few years ago they caused a bit of an uproar in lib media because they were shaking down princes or whatever in their country that wanted to support terrorist groups. Which generally seems like a good thing to me.

When it comes to Ukraine, their idea of Nazi mostly looks to be a larp by people disgusted with Russia similar to how far right people in the US will use similar imagery when expressing disgust for degeneracy likes trannies or pineapple on pizza. I think it's probably safe to assume that Ukrainians weren't dealing with a similar cancel culture as in the US so people wouldn't be as used to the idea that they need to keep up appearances by not engaging in the larp so publicly lest they have their lives destroyed.

Western media is obviously playing a double standard treating it as fine that Ukrainians have their larpers while treating their domestic larpers as terrorists, but if they didn't have double standards they wouldn't have standards at all. What is a tad weird though is when we can see right wingers that complained about this guilt by association with larpers in the west, saying that same kind of guilt by association is 100% valid in Ukraine's case and means Putin has a moral justification for letting Russians come in to do some mass rape and killing.
 
Western media is obviously playing a double standard treating it as fine that Ukrainians have their larpers while treating their domestic larpers as terrorists, but if they didn't have double standards they wouldn't have standards at all. What is a tad weird though is when we can see right wingers that complained about this guilt by association with larpers in the west, saying that same kind of guilt by association is 100% valid in Ukraine's case and means Putin has a moral justification for letting Russians come in to do some mass rape and killing.
I'm just gonna say it now: modern-day right-wingers are just edgelord SJWs. They do not have an actual moral high ground to stand on, they just hate what's woke without offering a viable alternative. They have become the very thing which they swore to destroy. They once made fun of SJWs that accused all their enemies of being Nazis just because some far-right groups do use Nazi symbolism, now, these right-wingers are attacking all of Ukraine's government and army for letting a bunch of Nazi-larpers stay with them, even though said "Nazis" are about as Nazi as a traveling Yiddish circus that's paid for by the Rothschild family.

I mean, if they complain about gay sex and trannies here, while cheering for an army that runs on butt-rape over there, then there is nothing moral about them anymore.
 
A Russian news source - Readovka - made a now deleted VK post that claimed that during a closed military briefing the numbers given for soldiers lost by Russia is 13,414 with approximately 7000 more missing.


Archive of the original VK post.


Obviously, this cannot be verified, but is somewhat reminiscent of a previous "leak" on Pro-Russian media.

It does seem to match up well with Ukrainian reports of Russian battlefield losses.

I think it does show a level of discontent in the Russian news media, with perhaps a few people either trying to undermine Russian war support through lying OR by trying to give people access to the truth. Unfortunately, we are unlikely to find out.

There has already been plenty of discussion of Russian losses in the thread so I won't belabour the point except to say, when also considering those injured and maimed on the Russian side it is clear these types of losses are wholly unsustainable. Unless something changes, be that a general mobilisation or new more effective tactics it's hard to see how Russia could maintain this war going forward.


Most believe it's a hack - inclined to agree - but notably many are aware of what Ukraine claims. Therefore, their access to non-Russian sources, while limited, isn't completely cut off.
This would be pretty insane if true. The US had fewer than 60,000 combat deaths in 20 years in Vietnam. If Russia lost 20,000 in less than two months that's gonna be a bitch of a pill to swallow. Even if it's half that it would be a PR nightmare.
 
I'm just gonna say it now: modern-day right-wingers are just edgelord SJWs. They do not have an actual moral high ground to stand on, they just hate what's woke without offering a viable alternative. They have become the very thing which they swore to destroy. They once made fun of SJWs that accused all their enemies of being Nazis just because some far-right groups do use Nazi symbolism, now, these right-wingers are attacking all of Ukraine's government and army for letting a bunch of Nazi-larpers stay with them, even though said "Nazis" are about as Nazi as a traveling Yiddish circus that's paid for by the Rothschild family.

I mean, if they complain about gay sex and trannies here, while cheering for an army that runs on butt-rape over there, then there is nothing moral about them anymore.
Depends on the right wingers. There are lots of cozy non-militant right wingers I've found on twitter. If your whole perspective of them is shaped by the most radical /pol/ spergs then I get where you're coming from. There are a number of pseudo 'return to monke' types of right wingers, although they're more like 'return to antebellum south'. They're pretty chill. They just want to read a bible to their kids and grow some plants for their trad wives and shit.
 
Western media is obviously playing a double standard treating it as fine that Ukrainians have their larpers while treating their domestic larpers as terrorists, but if they didn't have double standards they wouldn't have standards at all.
I think, and this is just my take, that most people can appreciate that alliances of convenience when you are fighting a war of national survival - or preparing for one - are acceptable as there are bigger issues at hand. If Ukraine tried to fight to get rid of Azov in the years preceding they would have lost an effective fighting force and many other soldiers to boot. They would be in a worse place. It's easy to criticism from our position, but ultimately they saw more value amalgamating them.
This would be pretty insane if true. The US had fewer than 60,000 combat deaths in 20 years in Vietnam. If Russia lost 20,000 in less than two months that's gonna be a bitch of a pill to swallow. Even if it's half that it would be a PR nightmare.
These losses are more in line with World War 2 losses, but even by those standards this is intensive in terms of losses. I'm just checking things, and the Western desert campaign saw approximately 35,000 Allied soldiers killed over the course of 2 and a half years.
 
I'm just gonna say it now: modern-day right-wingers are just edgelord SJWs. They do not have an actual moral high ground to stand on, they just hate what's woke without offering a viable alternative. They have become the very thing which they swore to destroy. They once made fun of SJWs that accused all their enemies of being Nazis just because some far-right groups do use Nazi symbolism, now, they're attacking all of Ukraine's government and army for letting a bunch of Nazi-larpers stay with them, even though said "Nazis" are about as Nazi as a traveling Yiddish circus.

I mean, if they complain about gay sex and trannies here, while cheering for an army that runs on butt-rape over there, then there is nothing moral about them anymore.
I think most of them are in complete denial that Russia is not similar to a first world nation and has a massive chunk of their population living with outhouses. I remember marveling a while back at some far right people seeing pictures of what some Russian homes looked like (dilapidated places) and thinking it was comparable to what you could find in the US. In the US you'd have at least insulation in the walls to help with the cold, plumbing, and whatever, but it was apparent in the pictures that this one home was just cheap wood for the exterior wall with what seemed to be zero insulation.

But for the far right people looking at it, it just looked like a poor house in a bit of disrepair. I doubt it would have occurred to them that the house may have used an outhouse or that there may have been no insulation or no microwave or no any number of other things, because it is a bad habit in the west to take these elements of modern life for granted.

I have a hard time blaming them for believing what they do, since most people live incredibly sheltered lives having no idea how life could be for people in another country. Which goes both and every which way, with Americans not knowing what Russians may live like or Chinese not knowing what American life is like or the average European having no idea what American culture really is.
 
One thing that has been amusing is some Ukranians were taking apart an Orlan 10, and found a regular DSLR camera inside, with what appears to have been a water bottle cap to cover the fuel tank and liberal amounts of duct tape holding it together.

At first blush to the internet this is very amusing. However the UK is currently throwing together a hilariously cheap satelite obeservation system to compliment the American ones used by FIVE EYES.

Its camera is £1000 worth of digital camera and big ass lens, because digital cameras are so high in quality these days a 14mp+ camera and a decent lens is about the same as the observation sats used mostly today.

Each mini satelite costs basically nothing to make as well, and is small enough it was going to just be chucked into ESA launches as a secondary payload.

The UK already has several up there floating around.
 
Imo anyone using 3rd reich flag and swastika is not only an edgelord but a retarded drama whore edgelord who's actively looking to cause controversy and fuck all beyond that, same as someone screaming "Nigger!!!" when close to a gas station in chicago.

I personally cannot imagine unironically using symbolism of an utter failure that was led by a manlet who not only killed himself like a coward but his family and dog.

If someone who thinks himself a fascist reads this, come up with some original symbolism, steal the fucking rainbow from the gays, whatever but do you really want to be associated with a movement that was smashed so hard it's to this day borderline illegal to have opinions similar to theirs and a manlet who 41% himself? Follow the leader if so.

Judge people by their deeds, russians are by far closer to being fascists with their blind, rabid nationalism and putin's cult of personality, not to mention their use of Z being almost copy paste of swastika symbolism.

Also would anyone be surprised if al those azov idiots waving fascist flags were russian glownigger agents sent to create a narrative or do people think only America is capable of such horrific tactics?
 
I think most of them are in complete denial that Russia is not similar to a first world nation and has a massive chunk of their population living with outhouses. I remember marveling a while back at some far right people seeing pictures of what some Russian homes looked like (dilapidated places) and thinking it was comparable to what you could find in the US. In the US you'd have at least insulation in the walls to help with the cold, plumbing, and whatever, but it was apparent in the pictures that this one home was just cheap wood for the exterior wall with what seemed to be zero insulation.
I remember telling to my father (who was quite conservative) that the reason why one of most common thing Russian soldier stole from Ukrainian home is toilet seat was because most Russian don't have indoor plumbing, the look on his face is like someone whose worldview is being attacked: a mixture of confusion, anger, and disbelief
 
I'm just gonna say it now: modern-day right-wingers are just edgelord SJWs. They do not have an actual moral high ground to stand on, they just hate what's woke without offering a viable alternative. They have become the very thing which they swore to destroy. They once made fun of SJWs that accused all their enemies of being Nazis just because some far-right groups do use Nazi symbolism, now, these right-wingers are attacking all of Ukraine's government and army for letting a bunch of Nazi-larpers stay with them, even though said "Nazis" are about as Nazi as a traveling Yiddish circus that's paid for by the Rothschild family.

I mean, if they complain about gay sex and trannies here, while cheering for an army that runs on butt-rape over there, then there is nothing moral about them anymore.
I think you're just describing Russaboos.
 
The Head of Russia's Central Military District just said that they officially want to make a land bridge to Transnistria.
>we DON'T need to capture Kyiv

Fuck me its going to be fun watching them try and go through Mykolav, let alone fucking Odessa.

They've had years to reinforce and dig in there and have only been hurling stuff there since. Its also been an area a lot of the Foreign Legion has been actually deployed and used on various positions and locations.

Note the complete fucking lack of progress during the initial invasion and even being shoved back to the outskirts of Kherson.
 
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