Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Feline Supremacist]

I hope flag granny is OK has anyone checked up on her?

 

[JambledUpWords]

 

[Based Boy]

It's sourced and dated estimates. Makes for a nice starting point for the minimums. After that you're left either getting into evaluating how plausible Russia and Ukraine's claims about their kill counts are, or just straight up pulling numbers out of thin air.


Last I checked was a bit over a week ago. Ukraine's claims were at a roughly 7:1 ratio, while Russia was the one claiming a 10:1 ratio. Looking back to what we were arguing at the time, Russia was claiming 14,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed and 16,000 wounded as of March 25th, while Ukraine as of April 15th was claiming 19,000 to 20,000 Russian soldiers killed(article linked just said casualties but was clearly using it to mean killed), and no estimate of how many they'd wounded.

So taking Russia's claims at face value, as of March 25th Russia was claiming 14,000 kills to 1,351 deaths, or a ratio of roughly 10.36:1 kills/deaths and 16,000 enemies wounded to 3,825 injured soldiers or a ratio of roughly 4.18:1 wounds inflicted/suffered. Taking Ukraine's claims at face value, as of April 15th they were claiming up to 20,000 kills to 3000 deaths, or a ratio of roughly 6.67:1 kills/deaths. While admitting to 10,000 wounded and making no estimate of how many Russians they'd wounded. So I'd take Ukraine's claims here as far more likely by virtue of them having the less absurd ratio claimed. Especially as their April 15th claim was no more than 5000 more than the upper end estimate from NATO on March 23rd three weeks before. Which would be consistent with Ukraine getting a lot of kills in poorly guarded supply lines to the north early on when Russia basically thought they could just walk in and take over, then having less success after Russia got smarter and eventually pulled back.

Now, taking both sides kill claims at face value we're at 20,000 Russian soldiers killed vs 14,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed, or a ratio of roughly 1.43:1 in Ukraine's favor. If you take into account the time difference between when each side made their claim, it probably gets even closer to even.

First of all, you don't take into account casualties of DPR(1413) and LPR(500), which, if you do, with numbers of claimed Ukrainian deaths being at 14000, would make ratio 4,29:1 in favor of Russia, not 10 to 1. (Kills alone, i did not count wounded). Even if you divide those casualties by 2 to account for time disparity in reporting (706 for DNR and 250 for LPR), you will get 6,09:1 ratio in Russian favor.
Second, does people who surrender go into those figures? Because Russia claims to have around 3000 Ukrainian POWs and Ukraine claims around at least a 1000 Russian POWs. (Did not check numbers for POWs, so correct me if i am wrong). And it is interesting if Ukrainians even add dead redditors and other assorted combatants and mercenaries into their number of casualties. The same goes for Russian figures with regards to Wagner.
Also, how many of those civilian deaths are actually real civilians? I said it before, that it would be pretty difficult to differentiate between civilian death and combatant death. All you have to do is strip man of his uniform and you have yourself a perfect civilian death. Or do they just count women, children and those unfit for service?
Overall, it's pointless to guess about casualties on ether side at this point, because every side have a reason to lie about them. All you can do is take what is said against self-interest as truth, and nothing else, because every side has it's reasons to hide real numbers (and inflate civilian deaths, in case of Ukraine). I doubt we get real numbers even after the war.

 

[male pattern malding]

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Regardless of your opinion on the subject matter, these are just some straight up hideous designs.

 

[Mr Processor]

The PM has said that Putin must be made to fail. His failure must be complete; Ukrainian sovereignty must be restored, and the Russian people empowered to see how little he cares for them. In showing them that, Putin’s days as President will surely be numbered and so too will those of the kleptocratic elite that surround him. He’ll lose power and he won’t get to choose his successor.

The Daily Telegraph: Ukrainians are fighting for their freedom, and Britain is doing everything to help them​

So that would be Boris Johnson, PM of Great Britain, pushing regime change in Moscow much as President Joe Biden did. I'm expecting this to end up with a Putin version of the Assad must go meme.

 

[Titos]

Meanwhile in Moscow:

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I hope these drunk cunts get punished for disorderly conduct.

They've got the right idea. Anyone who hoists commie symbolism should get their head punched off. Don't care if you're 80 years old. In fact if you're 80 you should probably remember all the evil shit the USSR did to your people and not have a flag of theirs, but instead she was a retard.

 

[mr.moon1488]

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I thought this was a joke but it's actually real.

https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/President-Volodymyr-Zelenskyy-Addresses-Congress-p/zelenskyy-congress.htm

 

[Regenbogen]

I hope flag granny is OK has anyone checked up on her?
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yeah she was forced to apologise by a ukrainian soldier on camera

 

[Regenbogen]

They've got the right idea. Anyone who hoists commie symbolism should get their head punched off. Don't care if you're 80 years old. In fact if you're 80 you should probably remember all the evil shit the USSR did to your people and not have a flag of theirs, but instead she was a retard.

It depends on the context really. Most of the people of Russia just view that stupid old soviet symbolism as a fight in a war of extermination against a force that wanted to troll it's people out of existence. Same reason Ukrainians do all the peremoga about Bandera even the most liberal democrat ones.

 

[White_N]

I thought this was a joke but it's actually real.

https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/President-Volodymyr-Zelenskyy-Addresses-Congress-p/zelenskyy-congress.htm

American gold reserves are put to good use, it seems.

These Jewish Ukrainian coins surely show those invading orcs who is boss!

 

[Michael Jackson]

This isn't entirely true. The anti-Russian hysteria in Britain was pretty thick during the 19th century. You could say it began with the rise of the July Monarchy in 1830, with Russia starting to mobilize its army to invade France to put the Bourbon dynasty back on the throne while the UK could not stop cumming at the thought their liberal family friend Louis Phillippe was now in power. The British's retarded war in Afghanistan in the early 1840s was just one example of pointless conflict meant to show Russia who's boss. The association of the bear with Russia did not originate with the Russians but as a pejorative by the British, depicting Russians are despotic rapacious brutes. Who are totally going to invade muh India At Any Moment ™

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Coming to the defense of turkroaches of all people. The fear of those dastardly Russian imperialists flooding across central asia didn't end until shortly before WW1, when hating those darn GERMAN imperialists took precedence.

Propaganda maps are the best.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

It depends on the context really. Most of the people of Russia just view that stupid old soviet symbolism as a fight in a war of extermination against a force that wanted to troll it's people out of existence. Same reason Ukrainians do all the peremoga about Bandera even the most liberal democrat ones.

But the Victory Banner is not the flag of the USSR, it commemorates the fall of Berlin and the end of the Great Patriotic War.

Granny on a patch


The AFU thought they were showing her what's what but instead turn her into a heroine.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Something I've kind of thought about and this would likely be the most boring outcome to the war, but I'm wondering if the siege of Kharkiv isn't just a pinning action. I'm kind of wondering this because it seems like Russian forces have put a lot more effort into southward advances from around Kharkiv with actions like taking Izyum, than what they have done towards actually tightening the noose on Kharkiv. I kind of wonder if the plan isn't just to occupy all of the Donbas areas and then basically wait for the clock to run out. If that were the case, this war might last for several years. This could of course just be bullshit though since I'm only really basing this off of the tactical disparities between what we've seen in Mariupol VS what we've seen in Kharkiv.

 

[Mr Processor]

Propaganda maps are the best.

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Serbia is so cool.

 

[mindlessobserver]

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Serbia is so cool.

I guess that's one way to describe being consistently curb stomped every 50 years or so for the last 500 years.

 

[Titos]

But the Victory Banner is not the flag of the USSR, it commemorates the fall of Berlin and the end of the Great Patriotic War.
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Granny on a patch
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The AFU thought they were showing her what's what but instead turn her into a heroine.

It's still gay and pretends that most of the Russians fighting in WW2 weren't a bunch of conscript idiots fed into the meat grinder by Stalin and were instead "patriotic". Naw, they were just dumb retards who got fed into the grinder. Also pretending Russia was fighting the Nazis for "patriotic" reasons like they weren't allies with them originally.

 

[Regenbogen]

But the Victory Banner is not the flag of the USSR, it commemorates the fall of Berlin and the end of the Great Patriotic War.
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The AFU thought they were showing her what's what but instead turn her into a heroine.

The victory banner is hoisted with Jesus and Imperial symbolism for good reason, turning KEEV into dust as the new homeland of retarded genocidal faggots. The grandma with the soviet flag was an old woman that saw parallels, weather she be a communist or not, she was just an innocent old lady.

 

[White_N]

Also pretending Russia was fighting the Nazis for "patriotic" reasons like they weren't allies with them originally.

They were never allies; the Soviets had a non-aggression pact with Germany, but they were the last to sign it, and only after the proposal for an anti-German coalition was rejected. If you want to talk about the partition of Poland, then by that logic, Poland was an ally to Germany as they got part of Austria-Vengria, and Poles strongly disagree with such logic.

 

[Regenbogen]

They were never allies; the Soviets had a non-aggression pact with Germany, but they were the last to sign it, and only after the proposal for an anti-German coalition was rejected. If you want to talk about the partition of Poland, then by that logic, Poland was an ally to Germany as they got part of Austria-Vengria, and Poles strongly disagree with such logic.

And Poland shouldn't exist either, actual nigger state

 

[Titos]

They were never allies; the Soviets had a non-aggression pact with Germany, but they were the last to sign it, and only after the proposal for an anti-German coalition was rejected. If you want to talk about the partition of Poland, then by that logic, Poland was an ally to Germany as they got part of Austria-Vengria, and Poles strongly disagree with such logic.

Like the other guy said. The only difference is that Pollacks aren't quite as niggerish as Russians.