Orbiter 🏳️‍🌈🐱 Nick Fuentes / Nicholas Joseph Fuentes / der America First Pürrer / "Nick the Knife" - CatboyKami's ex. Flipped fed asset after January 6th. Groypers are pardoned for January 6th, still a fag. Kept Ali Akbar, brown muslim boy-hungry pedophile, around groypers knowing what he was. Hates white women more than blacks and jews.

[Lemmingwise]

So quick question that's probably been plaguing this board several times but what the hell makes Nick appealing? I saw the livestream of Nick vs Metokur (Unfortunately) and found him really unbearable. Like are his supporters donators who sunk too much money into him and they can't admit he's a fucking faggot or are they actually that retarded? Like I can't believe he wants to be taken seriously in the political world but at the same time has to autistically screech at a dying boomer afflicted with super covid cancer for Ethan Ralph out of all people.

There was a period of time when he was very compelling, because for a while he managed to surf a cultural and political wave that was going on.

As often is the case with young political movements, the person who manages to say more extreme things, while still managing to stay within a certain line and get away with it develop an enthusiastic following.

The first thing that made me notice him was when he interviewed Yusef, the guy who completely schooled stephen crowder with his "change my mind" format:

He wasn't as nuts back then as he is now:

 

[Stale Fry]

There was a period of time when he was very compelling, because for a while he managed to surf a cultural and political wave that was going on.

As often is the case with young political movements, the person who manages to say more extreme things, while still managing to stay within a certain line and get away with it develop an enthusiastic following.

The first thing that made me notice him was when he interviewed Yusef, the guy who completely schooled stephen crowder with his "change my mind" format:

He wasn't as nuts back then as he is now:

To think he went from stuff like this to arguing with covid/cancer patient zero about whether or not the Gunt ate the poo poo.

 

[Can't Stand Ya]

He wasn't as nuts back then as he is now

I think this is an important point. I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I used to watch Nick back in 2017. Not only was he more sane back then, but his personality was different, too. He was a lot more calm and nowhere near as much of a spaz as he is now. The only exception is when he was on the Weekly Sweat with Beardson and Prince Hubris. He'd act like an autist when he was with them, but on his own show or appearing as a guest with other people, he was different.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I think this is an important point. I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I used to watch Nick back in 2017. Not only was he more sane back then, but his personality was different, too. He was a lot more calm and nowhere near as much of a spaz as he is now. The only exception is when he was on the Weekly Sweat with Beardson and Prince Hubris. He'd act like an autist when he was with them, but on his own show or appearing as a guest with other people, he was different.

Why be embarrassed? As you can see in the second video, he had pretty good analysis skills and was polite and charismatic, especially if you consider his age.

One of the things that made the right so effective in general, was that there was just a lot of communication which really helped developed ideas and perspectives, even just seeing youtube comments on these type of videos. The censorship killed that flow of information, so now it both lost its energy and its diversity of ideas of various expertises flowing together. And now isolated, you see both the demoralization and the lack of perspective set in. How does someone cope with that? Well, in Nick's case, his ruthlessness in being willing to attack anyone outside of his group becomes a liability, and his natural friends become people like Ralph.

In 2016/2017, this ruthlessness was a competitive advantage, as there was a very diverse movement of different right wing groups, and someone who is willing to attack others while also putting out fresh ideas and put on an appearance of respectability, was able to claw ahead in that wave.

 

[Popper Whiting]

Why be embarrassed? As you can see in the second video, he had pretty good analysis skills and was polite and charismatic, especially if you consider his age.

One of the things that made the right so effective in general, was that there was just a lot of communication which really helped developed ideas and perspectives, even just seeing youtube comments on these type of videos. The censorship killed that flow of information, so now it both lost its energy and its diversity of ideas of various expertises flowing together. And now isolated, you see both the demoralization and the lack of perspective set in. How does someone cope with that? Well, in Nick's case, his ruthlessness in being willing to attack anyone outside of his group becomes a liability, and his natural friends become people like Ralph.

In 2016/2017, this ruthlessness was a competitive advantage, as there was a very diverse movement of different right wing groups, and someone who is willing to attack others while also putting out fresh ideas and put on an appearance of respectability, was able to claw ahead in that wave.

This is why I hate the whole left/right thing where someone describes the different political philosophy as being inherently stupid and retarded. The problem isn't that either philosophy is retarded, it is just when it has come to discourse both have let retards control the talking points and conversations. Early 2010s was the period of peak letting retards speak in the wake of Occupy Wall Street for the left, and we are starting to reach critical retardation in the wake of MAGA for the right wing. It isn't moral degeneracy that destroys a civilization, giving the likes of Keffals, Baked Alaska and Nick Fuentes a pulpit and credibility.

We need to stop blaming the other side and start tard wrangling.

 

[Can't Stand Ya]

Why be embarrassed?

Mostly because of how much I genuinely dislike him now. There are plenty of cows that I laugh at, but I don't have any actual animus towards them. Nick and Beardson are the exceptions. Beardson is just a vile, lower form of life. Nick in some ways is even worse because he's leading a lot of vulnerable, misguided young men off a cliff just so he can line his pockets with their donos as they're falling. It's not enough that he's ruined his own life, he's actively preaching ways for them to ruin theirs, too.

 

[The FedEx Pope]

Mostly because of how much I genuinely dislike him now. There are plenty of cows that I laugh at, but I don't have any actual animus towards them. Nick and Beardson are the exceptions. Beardson is just a vile, lower form of life. Nick in some ways is even worse because he's leading a lot of vulnerable, misguided young men off a cliff just so he can line his pockets with their donos as they're falling. It's not enough that he's ruined his own life, he's actively preaching ways for them to ruin theirs, too.

No need to seethe, these misguided young men deserve to be handed Darwin Awards under best in lemmings for being so weak-minded in the first place

 

[Lemmingwise]

This is why I hate the whole left/right thing where someone describes the different political philosophy as being inherently stupid and retarded. The problem isn't that either philosophy is retarded, it is just when it has come to discourse both have let retards control the talking points and conversations. Early 2010s was the period of peak letting retards speak in the wake of Occupy Wall Street for the left, and we are starting to reach critical retardation in the wake of MAGA. It isn't moral degeneracy that destroys a civilization, giving the likes of Keffals, Baked Alaska and Nick Fuentes a pulpit and credibility.

We need to stop blaming the other side and start tard wrangling.

Skip reading this post for anyone not interested in some political analysis rant.

I think 2016 election in US showed more than anything why there's still a very necessary divide between left and right. Because although the real battle was new guard vs. old guard (both bernie and trump being the new guard, popular outsiders). And Bernie despite being the popular candidate was just sabotaged by the democratic party, whereas the republican party tried to do the same to trump, but doing it more within the confines of the rules, rather than outside of them. There is a big difference between biased moderators, like asking tougher/easier questions and straigth out giving questions to candidates in advance, to the point where the person who did that even wrote herself in her book that they rigged things against Bernie.

I'm not against tard wrangling, but the american left has proven itself completely unopen to revival. Also the fact that instead of fighting this, Bernie bowed and endorsed the people that did this to him. As much as a right/left is a spook, they are still the first hurdle one has to get over in politics, and a level in which half of the people are never going to be able to look beyond (so you're necessitated to having a good right/left message even if you think it's an outdated concept).

Finally you see the same thing on the ground, where even commentators that deviate on some subjects on the left like say, Jimmy Dore or Destiny, have been unwilling to criticize censorship for right wing commentators (although jimmy dore did criticize trump being removed from twitter and was unpersoned for being a conspiracy theorist). So in practice, supporting from the left is always supporting the establishment, whereas supporting from the right only sometimes means supporting the establishment. What I'm saying is that we're all royally fucked.

 

[Jump]

Nick Fuentes is a Fed-funded, closeted gay LARPer who was put out as controlled opposition to discredit those who question the establishment. But like a good chunk of the Feds these days, he's retarded, and no one besides dent-heads and NEETs buy his snake-oil.

Closeted gay, yea.
Fed and Controlled opp? I don't think so. If he was a Fed's pet he would be on youtube. Not banished to a digital ghetto like cozy. He has absolutely no reach outside of his shrinking pool of groypers on cozy and their little discords.

I think Nick really predicted his own fate when he said "we'll all be doing this until we die". Its almost like, for a second, he realized how much of an impotent faggot he was, and what his place in society and the political discourse actually is:

If you are part of AF you will:
-Win ZERO elections.
-Have ZERO children
Being a groyper is a dead end both politically and genetically. It may have started out as a political "movement" but it has turned in to some weird suicide cult.

I just don't understand why Nick takes such umbrage with Jim's 'aloof,

I think this may actually be a real GenX v Zoomer thing.
GenX and older millennials remember a time before the internet. I think many still see the internet as just a communications medium. The "Information Super Highway!". A tool to get shit done. Jim uses this tool to make money. No different then someone in the 80s using the telephone network to get shit done.
Zoomers I beleive see the Internet as a "place". Nick kept talking about Jim's "legacy on the Internet" and can't understand why Jim doesn't give a fuck about it.

 

[Terra Pax]

I've only ever seen clips of Nick on other people's shows, and it's usually just him talking into a camera. This is the first time I've seen him in any kind of combative argument with someone and it's honestly so pathetic I can't believe how he's been able to amass anything what so ever.

He's so petulant, the bringing of the the knife thing, doing joker quotes, his faggy mannerisms, and how he can barely ever do comebacks so he just starts yelling or this very lame attempt at dismissals. The constant bragging about how smart is would be obnoxious coming out of anyone's mouth.

Just awful, I can't believe he really thought that this was going to be the moment that he seized the crown as king of the pool these people are in by humbling metokur.

 

[Novalife]

there's be an army of guys who thought they could bite Fuentes but they always get felted. metokur looked like a stupid retard, every time they were exploring the topic and Nick worked him into a corner he would just dodge out of the discussion with one of his shitty one liners.
I'm a liberal so I'm not even biased, Nick is just clearly a far better debater than all of these other guys. Only person I've seen hang with Nick was Destiny. Metokur is allegedly quite Ill as well so I'm surprised he even came on.

 

[3322]

Mostly because of how much I genuinely dislike him now. There are plenty of cows that I laugh at, but I don't have any actual animus towards them. Nick and Beardson are the exceptions. Beardson is just a vile, lower form of life. Nick in some ways is even worse because he's leading a lot of vulnerable, misguided young men off a cliff just so he can line his pockets with their donos as they're falling. It's not enough that he's ruined his own life, he's actively preaching ways for them to ruin theirs, too.

I think Inceldom and Femceldom is just the new form of natural selection. If you are so weak-minded that you let some faggot mexican child tell you that fucking women is gay and you therefore devote yourself to a life of catboy-porn instead of creating a family, your genes were probably meant to die out.. Sure you can blame Nick for this I guess, but if it wasn't for AF these same young men probably would have just become regular trannies through porn-addiction and 4chan browsing. They aren't looking to make the world a better place or to improve their lives and just so happened to fall into the hands of someone who is trying to lead their pure minds astray. They are looking for scapegoats to blame and found the perfect one in Jews and women. They are weak, impotent beta males and the right choice for them is not to procreate. Let them have their little incel cult, they will accomplish nothing and leave behind nothing when they die.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

No shes a dyke she should DM me. I will even buy a new overturned laundry basket with a heavy book ontop to hold Nick while I go out with his family.

I really like that image

 

[6MillionCoofs]

every time they were exploring the topic and Nick worked him into a corner he would just dodge out of the discussion with one of his shitty one liners

It’s not Metokur’s fault Nick either wasn’t listening to his answers or was clearly misunderstanding them.

 

[Tornado]

Very disappointed in how things have progressed (i.e. regressed) for Nick. I watched him regularly and was introduced to him by Metokur in October 2019. I am throne-and-altar Catholic and recognized Nick from IBS, and back then he was imparting pretty unique analysis on a daily basis. It's pretty incredible really to do a one or two hour show every single day and even if he was a spaz, after the Q&A stuff there was enough momentum that I got on board. I thought the groyper stuff was pretty retarded but given that he was 20 or 21 in 2019 I assumed he'd grow out of it.

The lolisocks drama thoroughly weirded me out. He talked about it pretty much every night and defended the hell out of it, and absolutely nothing in the stream which I never watched seemed to present anything resembling value. Clips I did see from the stream contained David Icke theories and 13/50 jokes, neither of which aligned with his ostensible purpose of "redpilling" a wider audience. I mostly ignored this at the time since I also had other things going on in my life and did not feel like keeping up with Internet drama.

Everything after that has been a slow juggernaut away from optics and compelling analysis and toward entertaining a distracted audience through "going off" and weak takes. He got hit with that first YouTube strike and then he basically stopped caring, dropping several unveiled anti-Semitic remarks per video until Susan gracelessly terminated his channel. 2020 had moments where Nick seemed to return to form somewhat but his sperging out over superchats, associating with Laura Loomer and Baked Alaska, his need to repeat himself ten times on the same point every episode and his general disorganization meant I barely kept up with him. After Jan. 6th I tuned in more often since I had no idea what to expect the coming year and basically any dissident voice would have done it for me. The content degraded more but every now and then you still had a glimpse of the old Nick between sperging out or taking some idiotic position on an issue -- once I married my wife and had my first son I turned off his show, since he frequently swore up a storm and talked about being the next Hitler in complete defiance of 2019 Nick. He also stopped examining actual political thought in his content, in debates name-dropping Burke without rendering counter-enlightenment ideas. His only mentions of religion reflected some incredibly basic takes that lack introspection or even cohesion, e.g. "I was reading the Bible [the first chapter of the first book] and the serpent lost its legs? But it had legs before? What the?"

The complete disaster of AFPAC 3 coincided nicely with Lent this year since I saw the event but then immediately logged off the Internet for one and a half months. When I returned, I watched his debate with Destiny where he essentially torpedoed his own position towards the end and repeated three talking points without further explanation, resisting any development in the debate. He supported and later rescinded his support for some random politician in an embarrassing late night spergout. Apparently he made friends with Ethan Ralph, whom I would not trust to change my tire much less associate with my political movement. Then he picks fights with Metokur for no discernable reason aside form criticism. This thread in his entire career of losing his mind over criticism now results in this so-called serious political actor trying to revive a more boring and gayer IBS. Now he's unapologetically filing false DMCA claims for no reason, and doesn't understand the criticism of his behavior.

Everything up to this point had some path to recovery but this is pretty much the end of AF, at least my participation in it. All I can realistically do at this point is read Charles Coulombe again and ignore the news. In other words just moving on with my life. What a waste of time and talent.

Since Nick reads his thread, he might read this, in which case: Get a grip you retard.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

I didnt know it was true but some people really do need Idubbz meta commentary on levels of irony humor to understand why zoomers that grew up watching sam hyde mean when they say things like that.

In a moment of beautiful serendipity, his example is about eating shit.

This reminds me of that line at the end of Lawrence of Arabia: "A man who tells lies simply hides the truth, a man who tells half-lies has forgotten where he's put it"

 

[Beavis]

there's be an army of guys who thought they could bite Fuentes but they always get felted. metokur looked like a stupid retard, every time they were exploring the topic and Nick worked him into a corner he would just dodge out of the discussion with one of his shitty one liners.
I'm a liberal so I'm not even biased, Nick is just clearly a far better debater than all of these other guys. Only person I've seen hang with Nick was Destiny. Metokur is allegedly quite Ill as well so I'm surprised he even came on.

Nicks a tard and didn‘t even have the support of his own hugbox afterwards. There were cope streams on cozy blaming the moderator for Nick not doing well.

 

[YazeePro]

there's be an army of guys who thought they could bite Fuentes but they always get felted. metokur looked like a stupid retard, every time they were exploring the topic and Nick worked him into a corner he would just dodge out of the discussion with one of his shitty one liners.
I'm a liberal so I'm not even biased, Nick is just clearly a far better debater than all of these other guys. Only person I've seen hang with Nick was Destiny. Metokur is allegedly quite Ill as well so I'm surprised he even came on.

Omg. I feel like I'm being gaslit. I hate both of these people.

But hearing this Metokur idiot head straight into his comedy routine and talk over him bringing up 1 clip of Nick saying "lmao I flag people" is the gayest shit ever.

Idk I don't follow Nick but apparently he did it just to be a dick? But then Metokur spends half the stream going "ya mad bro? Did you flag him because your mad?"

I guess I'll be the one dissenting voice to say... this really blows

Why is this and Jim's thread suddenly riddled with posts that follow this exact line of reasoning:

• "I am X, so I am neutral."
• "Metokur was ... just bringing one liners / not funny at all / just deflected"
• "Nick won without question. "

Really make you think.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

Nicks a tard and didn‘t even have the support of his own hugbox afterwards. There were cope streams on cozy blaming the moderator for Nick not doing well.

The moderator did legitimately suck and showed the soul of zoomer retardation better than anyone else in the stream. He looked like Adam Lanza and had no aspirations other than having his existence be made aware of to an internet audience, while he stands there wearing sunglasses and headphones and rocks back in worth with an empty smile that trues to convince you he has feelings about what is going on.

 

[bryz7]

The legitimate number of Fuentes supporters? Has to be around three thousand or less and I can't believe Torba stuck his neck out for this kid