Worshipping a sand god is the ultimate cuck - No white person on the planet can possibly justify being a christcuck

[Coldgrip]

I don't know what's going on in this thread, but God bless everyone in it.

 

[Sneed Halation]

OP worships my wiener and tongues my anus.

This is actually very true, and it's very freeing to be able to finally admit it. Thank you for finally making it public.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

So this is hard to believe but before the modern state of Israel. Islamic Arab countries were not that bad of a place to live in.

That is absolute horseshit. The ooga booga Ottoman Empire was a clown show of perpetual cruelty and slaughter where not even their sovereign was beyond having a busted mental state from being locked up in a palace while some gang of shady imams ran the whole operation.
That's not saying anything about all the other muslim nations that since their founding up to this day are one of the worst shitholes to live in. Not a lot of Jews in any of them either.

I think they even settled several conflicts and did enjoy peace time.

Wonder why they don't settle peace these days.

It wasn't till Israel came along and got 1st world countries to bomb the middle east that created the power vacuum for the taliban to thrive under.

How many wars has Israel started and how many were started against Israel?

Which if you didn't know, a lot of the leaders of radical Islam are pedophiles funded by Jewish bankers. I can only assume it's to keep Israel in power and Arabs in check.

Retard, who are the richest fucking monarchies in the world?

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

>insist Christians are cucks
>call for worship of idols of the ancestors who left them for Christ because said idols were literally fake and gay

Depends on who your ancestors were and when. Some of mine just literally translated their gods into saints and went on from there. They never called them fake and gay, just transformed them. They sure as fuck did not give up a lot of pagan practices up till today.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Bro, in case you haven't heard, Whites have been Christians for thousands of years (by now) and they conquered the world and invented everything as Christians.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Some of mine just literally translated their gods into saints and went on from there. They never called them fake and gay, just transformed them.

You can't "translate" or "transform" an idol into a Christian saint-- that makes no sense. If they're canonized, it's because the top brass of the jurisdiction is officially saying they're worthy of veneration, after examining the claims from the community or sub-community that started venerating them. If they're deemed worthy of veneration, it's because it was determined they lived exemplary lives according to the tenets of the church, as far as can be ascertained. But, before that determination, it's determined that they actually existed.

Idols don't have mythologies that could fit any of that bill. Even if people mixed in pious Christian actions or associated miracles/relics into those mythologies, the product is a novel fiction that's neither a pious person who existed nor the idol meant to be "transformed".

 

[Astro Loafo]

That is absolute horseshit. The ooga booga Ottoman Empire was a clown show of perpetual cruelty and slaughter where not even their sovereign was beyond having a busted mental state from being locked up in a palace while some gang of shady imams ran the whole operation.
That's not saying anything about all the other muslim nations that since their founding up to this day are one of the worst shitholes to live in. Not a lot of Jews in any of them either.

Wonder why they don't settle peace these days.

How many wars has Israel started and how many were started against Israel?

Retard, who are the richest fucking monarchies in the world?

I think it was the ottoman empire that was the first one to be taken out. The ultimate end belief of Islam is that the 12 Islamic states will be united by one king and he will lead a war against the world and conquer it. Which is very similar to what modern jews believe. This is because Islam was made up by jews to destabilize and conquer the middle east. As well the fall of the ottoman empire disproves the Islamic prophecy, so the thing that literally just kept them fighting among themselves has been broken.

As well the jews aren't so innocent. Being the one who pushed the communist revolution in Russia, the ones who pushed the king of Britain to resign for their puppet Elizabeth and their war hungry dog Churchill.

Even in modern times the jews have massacred civilians in neighboring states and even experiment on their own population as a means of population control of the poor.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I think it was the ottoman empire that was the first one to be taken out. The ultimate end belief of Islam is that the 12 Islamic states will be united by one king and he will lead a war against the world and conquer it. Which is very similar to what modern jews believe. This is because Islam was made up by jews to destabilize and conquer the middle east. As well the fall of the ottoman empire disproves the Islamic prophecy, so the thing that literally just kept them fighting among themselves has been broken.

You're rambling absolute nonsense. Where the fuck did you get this 12 Islamic states bullshit from lol
The Islamic end time is all Jews being killed, Jesus coming back as some kind of muslim superman and killing all Christians. Different sects believe that at the time Islam will be on a massive decline, other believe that Islam will indeed have conquered the world.
And the fall of the Ottomans, while a huge moral kick in the moral gut and something that led to the end of the last caliphate that was worth a shit up until ISIS, the end of one muslim state means little. In Islam it is a mandated belief that ay and all land that muslims had ever owned is mandated to be eventually taken back. You have all manner of retards in the arab world who call for a reconquest of Spain, though the saner folk in power don't listen to them and keep them as a public clown show.
Beyond that, Turkey is still muslim country.

As well the jews aren't so innocent.

Nobody says they are. Nobody is.
The Jews are still miles and leagues better than the muslims tho. Ask the masses of Palestinian women and children who flee to Israel for welfare and shit.

Being the one who pushed the communist revolution in Russia,

Atheists*
This whole 'everyone whose mother is Jewish is a Jew' meme is getting real old.
It's like calling Richard Dawkins a devout Christian solely because his parents were Christians while his own beliefs are as anti Christian as it gets.

the ones who pushed the king of Britain to resign for their puppet Elizabeth and their war hungry dog Churchill.

Again, this is just conjectural rambling bullshit.

Even in modern times the jews have massacred civilians in neighboring states and even experiment on their own population as a means of population control of the poor.

That's amazing.
Now again, retard, I ask again, who the fuck has the richest fucking monarchies in the world?

 

[Astro Loafo]

You're rambling absolute nonsense. Where the fuck did you get this 12 Islamic states bullshit from lol
The Islamic end time is all Jews being killed, Jesus coming back as some kind of muslim superman and killing all Christians. Different sects believe that at the time Islam will be on a massive decline, other believe that Islam will indeed have conquered the world.
And the fall of the Ottomans, while a huge moral kick in the moral gut and something that led to the end of the last caliphate that was worth a shit up until ISIS, the end of one muslim state means little. In Islam it is a mandated belief that ay and all land that muslims had ever owned is mandated to be eventually taken back. You have all manner of retards in the arab world who call for a reconquest of Spain, though the saner folk in power don't listen to them and keep them as a public clown show.
Beyond that, Turkey is still muslim country.

Nobody says they are. Nobody is.
The Jews are still miles and leagues better than the muslims tho. Ask the masses of Palestinian women and children who flee to Israel for welfare and shit.

Atheists*
This whole 'everyone whose mother is Jewish is a Jew' meme is getting real old.
It's like calling Richard Dawkins a devout Christian solely because his parents were Christians while his own beliefs are as anti Christian as it gets.

Again, this is just conjectural rambling bullshit.

That's amazing.
Now again, retard, I ask again, who the fuck has the richest fucking monarchies in the world?

Woah, the Palestinians fled to Israel despite being there before the state of Israel. Ok

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Woah, the Palestinians fled to Israel despite being there before the state of Israel. Ok

They're literally Greek lol

 

[The Ugly One]

You can't "translate" or "transform" an idol into a Christian saint-- that makes no sense. If they're canonized, it's because the top brass of the jurisdiction is officially saying they're worthy of veneration, after examining the claims from the community or sub-community that started venerating them.

If they're deemed worthy of veneration, it's because it was determined they lived exemplary lives according to the tenets of the church, as far as can be ascertained. But, before that determination, it's determined that they actually existed.

Idols don't have mythologies that could fit any of that bill. Even if people mixed in pious Christian actions or associated miracles/relics into those mythologies, the product is a novel fiction that's neither a pious person who existed nor the idol meant to be "transformed".

This is a retcon. Rome didn't assert authority over beatification until the 12th century (whether or not it actually exerted such power in practice), the whole notion of historical investigation as we know it didn't really exist until the late 15th century, and the process of canonization wasn't formalized until the end of the 17th century, with major reforms in the 20th century. There are plenty of saints on the medieval calendar who never existed. The calendar was cleaned up at Trent, and several more times since then, but a couple saints have still stayed in over the years who probably didn't exist, or whose existence simply can't be established. St Christopher is one of the most well-known, but he's kept on there for political reasons. For most of Christian history, local cults could be whatever. It might have been an exemplary Christian. It might also have just been a guy who got killed in a bar fight. Or maybe a real person, maybe not, but aspects of legends of the old gods crept into the saint's legend, which probably happened with St Brigid (if she even existed at all).

Since the official doctrine of the Church is that the Church never changes, Catholics tend to believe that however things work now is how they worked in the 9th century, but it just ain't so.

 

[Kosher Snake]

They're literally Greek lol

who, the Palestinians? I thought they were just sandniggers pretending to be descendants of Goliath for that legitimacy, same as how Yids claim theyre the true Israelites

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

who, the Palestinians? I thought they were just sandniggers pretending to be descendants of Goliath for that legitimacy, same as how Yids claim theyre the true Israelites

Goliath was a Philistine, which means "invader", who were Greek at the time, so I guess the plot stands lol
Besides that, there were some questionable DNA studies doneat say that there's a lot of Greek among the Palestinians, though after all the centuries of warfare and occupation you could probably even find some Polish among them too lol
But either way, to say that the Holy Land is someone's because they were there first is a fake and gay claim. A lot of different peoples inhabited that place and it has always belonged to those who were able to keep it, these days it being the Jews and good for them.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

This is a retcon. Rome

>talk about Christian history
>only supposedly familiar with western Christianity
>assume interlocutor is Catholic

Putting that aside, the fact that the see of Rome (or any patriarchal see) didn't make their own investigative commission until whenever doesn't mean that no investigative process took place, especially with the lower bishops. Also, the canonization process is presumably not enshrined as dogma or is otherwise functionally equivalent, which is why the Trent cleanup and process revisions could occur and be clearly and shamelessly recorded in the first place-- any Christian community that leverages a "dogma" designation will maintain that it's the dogma, most of all, that's infallible.

Finally, my point still stands: "transforming" idols into saints is a nonsense notion that no pagan would have actually engaged in, because it would necessarily be the production of a novel fiction that's neither saint nor idol.

We don't maintain that the Muslim god is just a misunderstood notion of God-- we maintain that it's an idol. We don't maintain that "Isa" is just a misunderstood Jesus-- we maintain that it's some fictional figure that Muslims claim is Jesus but has nothing to do with Him.

 

[The Ugly One]

>talk about Christian history
>only supposedly familiar with western Christianity
>assume interlocutor is Catholic

The East is even less rigorous than the West when it comes to the cult of the saints. Trent's liturgical reforms happened because with the advent of the printing press and the university system, scholars, many of them Protestant, but not all, started turning a critical eye on medieval folklore and discovered, well, it mostly collapses under scrutiny. In order to maintain the old religion, but address the parts that had become an absolute embarrassment in the wake of both moral scandals and intellectual revolutions, the Catholic Church cleaned up a lot of things at Trent. The East never did any such thing, and basically continued to have an uncritical medieval approach.\

The notion of beatification of saints as "dogma" is recent and doesn't map back onto premodern religion.

Putting that aside, the fact that the see of Rome (or any patriarchal see) didn't make their own investigative commission until whenever doesn't mean that no investigative process took place, especially with the lower bishops.

"Investigative commissions" are a pretty recent invention. By and large, the Church put close to zero effort into investigating folklore and myths over the centuries. Hagiographies, legends, and the like tended to get passed along uncritically, especially once somebody wrote them down, which is why forgeries like the Protogospel of James heavily influenced liturgical festivals, and outright fairy-tales like St George slaying the dragon were celebrated for centuries. Write something on vellum, claim Basil the Great wrote it, and you've got yourself an "ancient unchanged Tradition."

Also, the canonization process is presumably not enshrined as dogma or is otherwise functionally equivalent, which is why the Trent cleanup and process revisions could occur and be clearly and shamelessly recorded in the first place-- any Christian community that leverages a "dogma" designation will maintain that it's the dogma, most of all, that's infallible.

Finally, my point still stands: "transforming" idols into saints is a nonsense notion that no pagan would have actually engaged in, because it would necessarily be the production of a novel fiction that's neither saint nor idol.

The transformation of the old gods into saints probably wasn't as simple as, "Okay, well, the goddess Brigit is St Brigid now." But there are some pretty obvious links between pre-Christian rites, mapping the old gods' domains onto the saints, and so on. AFAIK the claim that Christian missionaries just transferred pagan cultic domains onto saints is speculative, not like people wrote lots of journals back before paper existed. But maybe somebody knows more than me here.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

The East is even less rigorous than the West when it comes to the cult of the saints. Trent's liturgical reforms happened because with the advent of the printing press and the university system, scholars, many of them Protestant, but not all, started turning a critical eye on medieval folklore and discovered, well, it mostly collapses under scrutiny. In order to maintain the old religion, but address the parts that had become an absolute embarrassment in the wake of both moral scandals and intellectual revolutions, the Catholic Church cleaned up a lot of things at Trent. The East never did any such thing, and basically continued to have an uncritical medieval approach.\

You're assuming there was a lack of criticism or standards. You had to be able to talk about the person's life, and especially if they didn't have any writings that could be reasonably attributable to them-- and they were able to suss out false attributions even back then, even beyond determining its cohesion with their orthodoxy-- you had to at least be able to attribute evidence of a standing miracle or relic that allegedly was involved in a miracle. For martyrs in particular, there was a category for, or general sense of, "proven" martyrs who definitely existed.

It wasn't perfect and it wasn't regimented, but it was a distinct process regardless of where it happened.

You're also taking for granted how easily one can prove that some guy who existed in the third century that didn't write anything on his own and died a fairly unremarkable martyrdom did or did not exist outside the claims of a group of people maintaining that he did.

"Investigative commissions" are a pretty recent invention. By and large, the Church put close to zero effort into investigating folklore and myths over the centuries. Hagiographies, legends, and the like tended to get passed along uncritically,

Not exactly. Consider the documentaries on the "lost books of the Bible"-- they were in no way "lost", they were just rejected as canonical or were considered outright wrong. Churches would assess the time of circulation of documents, the extent of circulation, any available attestations, any provable authorship, and their cohesion with the established orthodoxy. The last of which in particular is why, especially in the East, there was more a "gradient" of canonicity (where documents could be considered anything between "worthy of being read in liturgy", "valuable resources but not worthy-- for one reason or another-- to be read in the course of liturgy", and "complete rubbish").

which is why forgeries like the Protogospel of James heavily influenced liturgical festivals

How? The protogospel of James was excluded from canon anywhere where a council that determined a canon list occurred, West or East. It was outright condemned in the West, in fact. Borrowing the names of "Joachim" and "Anna" to address Mary's parents isn't "heavy influence".

and outright fairy-tales like St George slaying the dragon were celebrated for centuries

The impression I've gotten so far is that the idea of St. George literally slaying a dragon was always understood as a legend that people all over came to like as a fun story. Iconographic depictions of the Church militant triumphing over a "dragon" (representing Satan) didn't suggest an event involving an actual dragon.

Write something on vellum, claim Basil the Great wrote it, and you've got yourself an "ancient unchanged Tradition."

Again, there were several criteria to determine whether a document was actually of the purported author, one of them being consistency with the rest of established tradition.

The saints-- especially those who made intellectual contributions-- are considered such only because they demonstrated themselves to be congruent with church teaching.

The transformation of the old gods into saints probably wasn't as simple as, "Okay, well, the goddess Brigit is St Brigid now." But there are some pretty obvious links between pre-Christian rites, mapping the old gods' domains onto the saints, and so on.

Every time someone's told me this, the examples they gave were either facially immaterial, outright false, or both.

That wouldn't be a transformation, is my point. It's completely counterproductive and doesn't serve any purpose-- the hypothetical ex-pagan doing this is so slack-jawed as to not be a proper representation of any kind of person to begin with. You can't honor "St. Brigid" in the way you would worship "Brigit" in the Christian schema.

Even the idea of "mapping the old gods' domains onto the saints" by itself is rubbish, because it doesn't account for how venerated saints as a whole are treated in the life of the churches that practice saint veneration. Additionally, there were always way more venerated saints than known regional idols, and the East doesn't even recognize the concept of patronages.

AFAIK the claim that Christian missionaries just transferred pagan cultic domains onto saints is speculative,

The ones during the Age of Exploration wouldn't transfer "pagan cultic domains" onto saints-- they would try to relate Christianity to the pagans using their religion, ideally not unlike Paul using the altar of the unknown god as a contact point to introduce the true faith to those at the Areopagus.

Before then, missionaries would write off idols as demons or the delusions of demons to begin with.

 

[Moths]

Holy shit when did I enter autistic thunderdome

Edit: when this thread was originally in general discussion

 

[Basement Dwelling Dork]

Don't ever speak ill of the most perfect OS made for Christ chads faggot.

 

[Str8Bustah]

>kike history thread
>not a single mention of etruscans and how they got kicked out of khazaria, then scythia, then turkey, then greece, then crete, then egypt, then circled all the way back to khazakhstan and got kicked out for the second time before getting kicked out of rome and being (almost) finally wiped out by hadrian.
weak. try harder dude.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Wonder why they don't settle peace these days.

There's fuck all else to do in the desert if you have no money, and there's only cars and goats to play with if you do have money. Picking fights when you're bored is as old as time.

The Islamic end time is all Jews being killed, Jesus coming back as some kind of muslim superman and killing all Christians.

Jesus flying around at mach speeds punching people's heads clean off is some of the most hilarious imagery I've thought of all week. What a shitshow, at least convert your Christian brothers to Allah.



I know I'm a retard, but, like, what if the brown guy is right? Maybe we SHOULD be nice to our neighbors and live modestly while helping our communities out? I like the cut of his gib. Do I have to say no to a guy who I think is right?