Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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You didn't make an argument that refutes what he said, my dude.
Oh, you mean pulling punches? The refutation of the argument is self-evident unless you consider every single destroyed house in Mariupol and Kharkiv as objects of military significance/occupied by the Ukrainian army.

I'm not going to deign to respond to your goalpost shifting, because both armies have used civilian buildings for whatever reason and the only question that matters, in this case, is if the building was vacated of civvies.
 
This seems promising! "zelensky is a fucking idiot, we have no intention of using tac nukes." Phew.
This thread needs a "Nuclear war likelihood indicator" that we can check. A weekly poll that starts again each Sunday to get a feel for how close/far we are from it.
The only people talking about tactical nukes are non-Russians. Every claim of Russia using tactical nukes has come from clickbait or a literally who. Andrei Kozyrev, a former Russian official who isn't loyal to the Kremlin or Putin was asked about this and said nukes are defensive tool for Russia, to be used only for an existential threat. He reiterated that the Ukraine invasion is not an existential threat for Russia.
I'm pretty sure what Lavrov is referring to is CNN asking Zelensky about Russia using nukes, to which he replied that anything was on the table and moved on.

In the post you're replying to is their foreign minister saying Zelensky is hyping things up. Do you doubt him? What do you want him to say?

Russia invaded on all fronts, is shelling urban centers indiscriminately and is trying to overthrow the Ukrainian government. The only way this escalates more is if someone uses nukes.

The wheeping and wailing about NATO arming Ukraine is silly. Great Powers have ALWAYS armed their proxies when they get into fights with their enemies. Russia armed the North Vietnamese and the North Koreans. The US armed the Afghans and now the Ukrainians.

If Russia didn't seriously consider this happening well that is their own damn fault. It's happened every time Russia has invaded a western client state for the last 400 years. If putin thought this time would be different then he's an imbecile.
Nah this could escalate much further without getting into nuclear territory, though I think doing so would scare Russia quite a bit.
If the US decided to send in Army Airborne to help retake Mariupol or the US Navy sent a carrier group to the Black Sea it'd escalate things mightily. Imagine finding out a US sub actually sunk the Moskva.
 
Fine, do you consider Mariupol and Kharkiv's extensive bombing campaign as "pulling punches"?
They aren't pulling any with those azog faggots hiding in the basement of some steel factory with their human shields. I don't know what i enjoy more, them begging everyone to come save them, the fact no one is, or the fact they are just zog bot losers. good times!
 

Oil Fires in the Bryansk Russia​

It is just spontaneous combustion comrade.
Just a matter of time before the same is seen in Moscow. Yo, Vlad. Do you want this in Moscow? Tver was close. Maybe St. Petersburg? Long past time to declare victory and go back to the pre-war lines. The Ukrainians seem to be able to carry out asymmetric warfare successfully.
 
The only people talking about tactical nukes are non-Russians. Every claim of Russia using tactical nukes has come from clickbait or a literally who. Andrei Kozyrev, a former Russian official who isn't loyal to the Kremlin or Putin was asked about this and said nukes are defensive tool for Russia, to be used only for an existential threat. He reiterated that the Ukraine invasion is not an existential threat for Russia.
I'm pretty sure what Lavrov is referring to is CNN asking Zelensky about Russia using nukes, to which he replied that anything was on the table and moved on.

In the post you're replying to is their foreign minister saying Zelensky is hyping things up. Do you doubt him? What do you want him to say?


Nah this could escalate much further without getting into nuclear territory, though I think doing so would scare Russia quite a bit.
If the US decided to send in Army Airborne to help retake Mariupol or the US Navy sent a carrier group to the Black Sea it'd escalate things mightily. Imagine finding out a US sub actually sunk the Moskva.
I guess what I was getting at was that guy in the RT clip seemed pretty calm, (I dont know who it is, there was no source or title of the person in the video) and was saying Zelensky was just blowing smoke about tactical nuke usage. I guess I see Zelensky as impotent rage, and I take much of what he says (or news of things he says) with a grain of salt. This is because he relies on outside military support to even do anything, meaning he has no real power if he's so reliant on others. Honestly I just want no nukes being used, so that's why I check in here once a week, to see what the story is on them. Seeing Putin say the Sarmat was a defensive deterrent is good.

"Do you doubt him? What do you want him to say?" I don't follow you here, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
 
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I guess what I was getting at was that guy in the RT clip seemed pretty calm, (I dont know who it is, there was no source or title of the person in the video) and was saying Zelensky was just blowing smoke about tactical nuke usage. I guess I see Zelensky as impotent rage, and I take much of what he says (or news of things he says) with a grain of salt. This is because he relies on outside military support to even do anything, meaning he has no real power if he's so reliant on others. Honestly I just want no nukes being used, so that's why I check in here once a week, to see what the story is on them. Seeing Putin say the Sarmat was a defensive deterrent is good.

"Do you doubt him? What do you want him to say?" I don't follow you here, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
That guy is Russia's foreign minister, Lavrov. He's pretty well known so I figured you knew who he was, though I misunderstood and thought you were thinking his response was inadequate or something.
Obviously he's biased and could lie but saying Z-man will say anything isn't wrong.

I think we're safe from nukes unless foreign powers send in their own militaries in force. The SAS and such are playing with fire being in Ukraine if you ask me. Training troops in Poland is a bit less retarded.
Just a matter of time before the same is seen in Moscow. Yo, Vlad. Do you want this in Moscow? Tver was close. Maybe St. Petersburg? Long past time to declare victory and go back to the pre-war lines. The Ukrainians seem to be able to carry out asymmetric warfare successfully.
Yeah that'll go over well and Russia will definitely calm down when Moscow is on fire.
 
Just a matter of time before the same is seen in Moscow. Yo, Vlad. Do you want this in Moscow? Tver was close. Maybe St. Petersburg? Long past time to declare victory and go back to the pre-war lines. The Ukrainians seem to be able to carry out asymmetric warfare successfully.
Russia hitting local industries in military attacks: tyrants, how evil.
Ukraine (possibly) sabotaging local industries: stunning and brave.
 
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occupied by the Ukrainian army.
both armies have used civilian buildings
Choose one
the only question that matters, in this case, is if the building was vacated of civvies.
I got it! I got it!
What do I win?
Ok, here is an interview with one of the women who were at Mariupol's maternity hospital during the attack. I am not going to translate the entirety of it, because I barely have the will to stay awake, so here are the cliffsnotes.
  • Yes, she is Instagram model named Marianna Vyshemirskaya, no, she wasn't paid to partake in that shitshow, she was there with her newborn.
  • No, Russia didn't bomb hospital, because "MUHAHA EVIL", it seems they didn't bomb it at all, since there was no sounds of planes.
  • Azov nazis used the part of the building as their headquarters, women and their newborn were forced to stay in another part of the building.
  • Immediately and I mean immediately after explosion there were "journalists" in army uniform and began taking pictures despite women's protests.
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Don't know if these were posted yet, but apparently a Tik Toker accidentally alerted Russian intelligence that the mall that got hit by a Russian missile was being used by the Ukrainians to store military equipment (source /pol/):

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The Guardian confirms that this place was being used as a base:
 
If anything Russia's really been holding back. Even western sources have noted that.
I've seen plenty of western sources say Ukraine was going to fall in days, here we are two months later. I have no idea who you are quoting, unless you are considering Russia's total military across it's 9 timezone protecting other parts of Russia as "holding back".

Sending in your troops at half or quarter strength is a great way to kill all of your troops. There is no 5D Chess way to spin this. Either they invaded with less than they needed, or they are sending in a fraction of what they can and letting them just die and then sending in the next wave.
 
Nah this could escalate much further without getting into nuclear territory, though I think doing so would scare Russia quite a bit.
If the US decided to send in Army Airborne to help retake Mariupol or the US Navy sent a carrier group to the Black Sea it'd escalate things mightily. Imagine finding out a US sub actually sunk the Moskva.
For Ukraine, it can't escalate any further without nukes or direct NATO involvement. Ukraine views this war as falling into one of a couple scenarios that have changed with how the war has turned into a slug match instead of a quick, decisive, "Special Military Operation" like Russia envisioned at the start of this, either A. The usurpation of Ukraine's government, turning it into such a yes man it's basically just Russia like Belarus is. or B. Russia annexes so much of Ukraine through sham referendums that what remains of Ukraine is a true rump state instead of a very poor one due to having much of it's eastern regions and entire coastline stripped away from it.

We don't know what Russia's true extent of it's goals are, don't know if their plans to capture of Odessa are actually true or just bluster, if Kharkiv is a pin or they also plan to take it, or it they just want Donbass and Kherson for their Crimean land bridge.
I've seen plenty of western sources say Ukraine was going to fall in days, here we are two months later. I have no idea who you are quoting, unless you are considering Russia's total military across it's 9 timezone protecting other parts of Russia as "holding back".

Sending in your troops at half or quarter strength is a great way to kill all of your troops. There is no 5D Chess way to spin this. Either they invaded with less than they needed, or they are sending in a fraction of what they can and letting them just die and then sending in the next wave.
They started this war with 190k, assuming the no conscripts thing is actually true which I believe it is, they sent around half their total active available troops since conscripts take up around half of Russia's army. Russia might be "holding back" in that some ways by not Groznying everything, but sending around a quarter of your active troops to a single theater is still quite the commitment.
 
I've seen plenty of western sources say Ukraine was going to fall in days, here we are two months later. I have no idea who you are quoting, unless you are considering Russia's total military across it's 9 timezone protecting other parts of Russia as "holding back".

Sending in your troops at half or quarter strength is a great way to kill all of your troops. There is no 5D Chess way to spin this. Either they invaded with less than they needed, or they are sending in a fraction of what they can and letting them just die and then sending in the next wave.
I've seen a lot of shit takes too, doesn't mean anyone with two brain cells to rub together believes them. It is entirely within the realm of possibilities this war lasts months, years or it could end next week. Wars never go as planned.

Are you saying the majority of the troops Russia committed to this war are dead, dying or otherwise non-deployed?
 
The moment of the explosion at the oil depot in Bryansk was caught on a surveillance camera.





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Smoke rises over the Lviv region. Officially, the work of the air defense was confirmed by the regional administration.

"Residents of the Lviv region stay in shelters. The air defense is working" the head of the OVA, Maxim Kozitsky, said.


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In the center of Bucha, a stork walks through the streets.

 
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I'm guessing they are holding defensive positions just in case NATO decides to attack while Russia is open.
that and they are still in 'HEARTS AND MINDS'S mode thinking they can eventually win over the Ukrainian pensioners... who typically hate them less.
 
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