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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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no, quite the opposite actually. there's virtually zero anti refugee sentiment here, big contrast to 2015, for two big reasons
1) ukrainians are seen as decent people, big difference to the various kinds of subhuman that came in 2015
2) ukrainians have a valid reason to flee their country, while most of the 2015 niggers are just economic migrants looking for gibs
I can simplify it even further: Ukrainians are white Europeans and therefore get a pass.
 
It makes me suspect that some of the super wild rumours I've heard, of the SAS operating in theatre for the last couple of months, might actually be true. I'm not sure I like the implications.

Well look at it this way. The MoD and British Government never comented once on SAS deployment in Syria and Libya.

It was beleived around 150 were deployed to Libya alone. British SPECOPS have been involved in numerous wars and have so far never been captured. This even included deployment on the side of the Rhodies, and secret wars in South America.

Situation in the north doesn't look that well for the UA army. It's actually not that difficult to get the encirclement done in this region. They just need to cut off the few main roads and the Ukrainian positions near the Donbabwe front would be in danger of running out of supply.

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That does look concerning, and finally represents an actual advance in a couple of areas. There's also a large amount of equipment down in the South but seems to have once again stalled.
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T90M models have been spotted near Kharkiv. Not sure if these be a game changer. Apparently they are only in use by the Rossguards. It would be nice to see some red shirts be torn to gibs. Someone I spoke with speculated they might give crews thermite or some type of explosive to scuttle them if they have to abandon them to deny such an interesting prize.

They take a walloping as seen by the few deployed in Syria.

Still blow up eventually though.
 
T90M models have been spotted near Kharkiv. Not sure if these be a game changer
They're really not. Despite Russian claims to the contrary they're not some super tank, they're tougher than the T-72s they're based on, but not by that much. A much bigger issue is that a lot of the tanks they lost so far were less about the failures of the individual vehicle, but failures of doctrine/logistics/mainetenance/training etc, which are just as likely to fuck T-90s as they have everything else. They lost T-90s in Syria, they lost them in the Armenian-Azerbaijan spat, and they've even lost some in Ukraine already. Even if they take a couple more hits to disable/kill than their predecessors in a war of attrtiion I figure the West can supply more TOWs/javelins/NLAWs, and more quickly, than the Russians can get more tanks.
 
Edit 2: Personally I kinda think it's "We're expecting retaliatory strikes" but I could be reading too much into the 'coincidences' because, how the fuck could Ukraine even stage such shit over the front lines and enemy borders if it is UA op? How fucking incompetent is russia?
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That railway is washed out, most likely because it was overused moving really heavy equipment for months and what maintenance? You can see that the whole berm is completely washed out in several places. Once the RR is getting serious workout, this is unavoidable and they have been moving troops and heavy equipment non-stop.

As to oil fire and artillery storage, my best bet is rampant theft, especially the fuel depot. You got massive tanks with strategic fuel reserves, you let a local gas station guy siphon some off, that's a lot of money on the spot, to much to resist temptation. These fires are likely coinciding with inventory efforts.
 
No komrade, Russia is true and honest and provided humanitarian corridors multiple times. It's the ukroswine that lie all the time!!11 they constantly put their military near civilians. Whatever our bombs touch - that's where their military was.
No no, you gotta go full Antifa. "This is purely a de-Nazification campaign in Ukraine. As a result, we would never bomb anyone that's not a Nazi, and so, everyone we bomb is a Nazi."
A good thing about the MG3 is it can use the same linked 7.62 meant for the M60 or M240
Gotta love NATO standardization.
It makes me suspect that some of the super wild rumours I've heard, of the SAS operating in theatre for the last couple of months, might actually be true. I'm not sure I like the implications.
Green Berets were in-country as well prior to the invasion, no word on their status afterwards funnily enough... And unlike the Seals, Army Special Forces does not abandon their allies. During the final years of US involvement in Vietnam MACV-SOG were running missions non-stop to help the South out. In Afghanistan and Iraq our "observer" units frequently disregarded orders to stand by during operations and instead lead the way, especially in operations against ISIS. Needless to say, Russia screaming out "the Americans are running operations against us!" would just have Poland mash that Article V button like an Inquisitor doing an Exterminatus, and so everyone involved has a big motivation to keep it quiet.
 
So, Russkies have arrested "neonazis" who have been plotting to kill one of the major Russian talking heads.

As proof, one of the items was a card
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It says:
"To Timokha
Thank you for the support you've shown in the hardest years.
Kill to live.
Live to kill.
SIGNATURE INCOMPREHENSIVE
NS/WP CREW
MOSCOW

you get it?
It's not that the signature was incomprehensive, it was literally written "SIGNATURE INCOMPREHENSIVE"

AHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/swiss-veto-german-request-export-062802539.html
ZURICH (Reuters) - Neutral Switzerland has held up German arms deliveries to Ukraine by blocking the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Marder infantry fighting vehicles that Kyiv would like to get, Swiss paper SonntagsZeitung reported.

The news comes as German Chancellor Olaf Scholz faces growing criticism for his government's failure to deliver heavy weapons to Ukraine to help it fend off Russian attacks, even as other Western allies step up shipments.

The Marder, made by German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall, uses ammunition manufactured in Switzerland, the paper said. Switzerland restricts the re-export of such war materiel to conflict zones.

The paper quoted a spokesperson for the Swiss State Secretariat for Economic Affairs (SECO) as saying it had received two inquiries from Germany about transferring to Ukraine munitions it had got from Switzerland.

"Both of Germany's requests were answered in the negative with reference to Swiss neutrality and the mandatory rejection criteria of the war material legislation," it quoted the spokesperson as saying.

SECO was not immediately available for comment on Sunday outside of regular business hours.

Switzerland has departed with past practice and adopted European Union sanctions designed to punish Russian for invading Ukraine, but has said its neutrality does not permit providing arms in conflict zones.

Last month it rejected Poland's request for arms to help neighbouring Ukraine.

(Reporting by Michael Shields; Editing by Raissa Kasolowsky)
Yes, that's correct. German Marder ammunition, the stuff that really only sees use in war... is made in Switzerland and can't be exported with the vehicles as a result of the invasion. You had one job, Rheinmetall!
 
I'd trade 100,000 Ukrainians for every lightbulb head Somali in my country and that isn't a rare sentiment. The N*vorussians seem to love them, maybe they can relocate there and we can get the Ukrainians in exchange.

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T90M models have been spotted near Kharkiv. Not sure if these be a game changer. Apparently they are only in use by the Rossguards. It would be nice to see some red shirts be torn to gibs. Someone I spoke with speculated they might give crews thermite or some type of explosive to scuttle them if they have to abandon them to deny such an interesting prize.

Still no 0' arc APS. Still going to die to Javelin. Dosvedanya, tankiovy.
 
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T90M models have been spotted near Kharkiv. Not sure if these be a game changer. Apparently they are only in use by the Rossguards. It would be nice to see some red shirts be torn to gibs. Someone I spoke with speculated they might give crews thermite or some type of explosive to scuttle them if they have to abandon them to deny such an interesting prize.
Getting more than a few expensive T-90M tanks blown up by Ukrainian ambush parties will teach the Russians a harsh lesson on humility. Each tank costs $4-7 million USD, Javelins and other anti-tank missiles are far cheaper. (less than $200K) So again, Russia is leading more of its prized war machines into the scrapyard.

 
I keep remembering that The Economist's 2019 cover had the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse depicted on it.

In order: Disease, War, Starvation and Death.

Given current events, I'm always keenly reminded of it and also of how little we still know of how the world is run.
Looked up the cover and the possible implications, found this, a bit 'take your meds schizo' but interesting none the less:
 
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ha, so the explosion and fire on Bryansk storage facility is actually a bit more interesting.

It's a major point of the pipeline Druzhba (friendship)

https://realist.online/news/pozhar-v-brjanske-udar-okazalsja-silnee-chem-kazalos-video (rus)

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Но стоит заметить, что через Брянск проходит нефтепровод, который ведет в Европу и авария в таком важном, распределительном, его звене скажется не лучшим образом на поставках.
Журналист Юрий Бутусов в соцсети отметил большое значение этого события. Он сообщил, что "общая площадь хранилища топлива - 67 гектаров".
"Главный транспортный хаб российской нефти в Европу получил прямые попадания и горит! По своему экономическому значению эти нефтебазы как крейсер Москва для Черноморского флота. Экспорт кровавой российской нефти в Европу становится не только невыгодным, но и весьма проблемным. Посмотрим теперь на последствия, но это грандиозное событие"

major pipeline that goes through Bryansk, leads to Europe and an accident on such important, distribution link will not lead to anything good for oil deliveries.
The area of the storage facilities takes 67 hectars (165 acres)
The main distribution hub or Russian oil into Europe is directly hit and is on fire! In the economic sense, this oil storage is on par with cruiser Moscow for the Black Sea fleet. Export of blood oil into Europe becomes not only without an upside, but also problematic. Let's see the consequences, but this is a grandiose event.

From other sources, the fire is not that easy to contain, because it requires shutting down pipelines upstream which is neither easy, but can also have an effect on oil fields themselves, because you can't just turn the spigot on/off on an oil field.

the end points are Berlin, Prague, Budapest ... only the lower part (south branch) goes over Ukraine. Also the real distro hub and much closer to Ukraine is Unecha. Bryansk seem like a fairly far away target from Ukraine's border.
 
In Afghanistan and Iraq our "observer" units frequently disregarded orders to stand by during operations and instead lead the way, especially in operations against ISIS. Needless to say, Russia screaming out "the Americans are running operations against us!" would just have Poland mash that Article V button like an Inquisitor doing an Exterminatus, and so everyone involved has a big motivation to keep it quiet.

If I remember, the only Iraqi Army units to lead a fighting retreat from Mosul were ones with US Army officers nearby who stayed back to fight.

There's a reason the entire British Empire Military ran this fucking way.
 
Situation in the north doesn't look that well for the UA army. It's actually not that difficult to get the encirclement done in this region. They just need to cut off the few main roads and the Ukrainian positions near the Donbabwe front would be in danger of running out of supply.

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I mean considering the Russians went from having Kyiv encircled to "lol we didn't want Kyiv anyways", I'll believe the encirclement when I see it.
 
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They're really not. Despite Russian claims to the contrary they're not some super tank, they're tougher than the T-72s they're based on, but not by that much. A much bigger issue is that a lot of the tanks they lost so far were less about the failures of the individual vehicle, but failures of doctrine/logistics/mainetenance/training etc, which are just as likely to fuck T-90s as they have everything else. They lost T-90s in Syria, they lost them in the Armenian-Azerbaijan spat, and they've even lost some in Ukraine already. Even if they take a couple more hits to disable/kill than their predecessors in a war of attrtiion I figure the West can supply more TOWs/javelins/NLAWs, and more quickly, than the Russians can get more tanks.

Vid from last year, but covers the problems of the T-90, the trillionth T-72 / T-80 variant renamed for export reasons, suggesting that the export versions can actually be better as they remove certain no longer useful system like an Active Protection System which current ATGMs ignore as they descent on their targets, no night vision (altho the Challenger 2 appears also to be so challenged he suggests) and that its designer said it was a mistake. In order to avoid politics, Armor Cast seems to decided not to upload anything on the war while its ongoing to avoid politics, which is regrettable.
 
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Getting more than a few expensive T-90M tanks blown up by Ukrainian ambush parties will teach the Russians a harsh lesson on humility. Each tank costs $4-7 million USD, Javelins and other anti-tank missiles are far cheaper. (less than $200K) So again, Russia is leading more of its prized war machines into the scrapyard.


Send T14s in next you seething slav faggot scumbags. You know what a tank with a blown off turret and cooked engine becomes for the three crew "safely protected" in an "armored capsule" in the bow? A coffin.
 

Vid from last year, but covers the problems of the T-90, the trillionth T-72 / T-80 variant renamed for export reasons, suggesting that the export versions can actually be better as they remove certain no longer useful system like an Active Protection System which current ATGMs ignore as they descent on their targets, no night vision (altho the Challenger 2 appears also to be so challenged he suggests) and that its designer said it was a mistake. In order to avoid politics, Armor Cast seems to decided not to upload anything on the war while its ongoing to avoid politics, which is regrettable.
Still a tank that was outranged by obsolescent US tanks in the 1990s already, and by something like 1000 meters, and the old Abrams were doing against tanks that were buried in sand. Doesn't seem like Russia actually improved anything after their designs were outclassed in every single way during the Gulf War, and that the domestic versions aren't any better than what they sold to Saddam.
 
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