Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Marley Rathbone]

Bullets fired from any gun will kill you dead. Guns like the Mosin aren't suitable as a primary infantry weapon any more, but 7.62x54r is still a really big round that will rip right through most cover. The PPSh's main drawback is it generally won't defeat modern body armor...but a lot of the combatants don't seem to have that. And a defensive position, a Maxim should be just as serviceable as it was in WW1. Just don't try to support squad movements with it.

I had a Mosin Nagant a long time ago, sold it after a week because I hated it. Just clunky and irritating. But if it's all you got...

 

[Ponzo]

Dagestan Soldier handing out candy to kids

Footage of a missile hitting a place that was already on fire from a previous missile strike in Fastov, Kiev oblast. The target was presumably railway infrastructure, as Fastov is a transportation hub connecting Western & Central Ukraine.

War reporter Denis Kulaga on a special mission to save a cat in Popasnaya in the middle of an artillery duel

 

[Netizennameless]

Why, yes, sssssure, Russia is on a brink of collapse, da... Not unlike stunning and brave United States of Pedophilia, zoophilia, incest and troonery America, of which soldies succesfully *cough* defended *cough* *cough* Afghanistan *cough* from whoever have had plans to rule out the state-wide cocaine farm, and there was totes no *cough* *cough* *cough* need for *cough* evacuation of *cough* residing Americans *cough*.

Seriusly a fucking world marshall was unable to deflect an offensive performed by chimping out sandniggers which resulted in Afghan got under Taliban (was it Taliban, though?) control, and evacuation ops that were a fucking joke, not a textbook clean work from the "FUCK YEAH! TRANS RIGHTS!!!" land.

Please don't mistake "unwilling to do what is necessary to a people who aren't truly a threat to us as a nation" with "unable". Never forget that the US is the only country to ACTUALLY nuke an enemy nation. If the people think the enemy is an existential threat they will let the military do anything.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

I had a Mosin Nagant a long time ago, sold it after a week because I hated it. Just clunky and irritating. But if it's all you got...

It depends on the rifle, a lot of them have a sticky bolt because people didn't clean all the cosmoline preservative off of it. Others are just clapped out ww2 guns made to a lower standard because of the war.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

"Saw a video from a Ukrainian blogger, where he ate a Ukrainian tankman. Made me understand that in principle Azov can hold out for a long time"

View attachment 3227777

Cannibalism to own da Russians, to destroy da Russians!

 

[Based Boy]

That's just taking it too far. You fight glowops with glowops. Case in point, the special units and secret service at the time still had Russian training.

And what glowop would help at this point? Killing politicians? Trying to locate CIA assets? What should Russian KGB do with the coup in full force, exactly? Not to mention that Ukraine had orange revolutions every sunny day before this moment. GRU was probably caught of guard that this one actually led to something.

That's the thing - I've always been a conspiracy schizo. This time I just don't buy it. It just sounds like people talking shop about how things are going and how they can make moves, but it doesn't prove 2014 was planned.

It probably was not fully planned. Just another go at trying to destabilize pro-Russian government. Yet it did succeed. Does not mean that pro-Western NGOs and glowniggers were not involved in the whole ordeal.

Minsk II was broken the very day after it was signed when DPR forces assaulted Debaltseve.

I can throw it back at you. Why did Ukrainian forces did not leave DPR territory of Debaltseve after signing the agreement?(Should have demarcated it better before the signing.)

I really don't want to be callous, but they can Crimea river. HA!
Now for real, if part of the country wants to fuck off because they're Russian they shouldn't count on Ukrainian water. Is it petty? Yes. But Russia carves off a piece of your land and then asks for gibs? Fucking tell Putin to build a desalination plant, he's apparently the guardian of the Russian people.

You confuse "giving gibs" with openly hostile actions. What does it cost Ukraine to not build a dam that blocks flow of water to Crimea? Wars started over less than this. And it is also funny to me that Ukraine claims legal possession of Crimea, yet they don't mind cutting drinkable water to all it's citizens for being "occupied" by Russia. True humanitarians those Ukrainians are.

That means fuck all. So two NATO countries are going to war with Russia to protect Ukraine? How's that gonna go? I mean, Russia and the US (along with other countries) also signed a guarantee. The Budapest memorandum. What did the US and Russia promise Ukraine? Ask the Security Council to assist Ukraine. Where Russia has veto power.
Ink on paper doesn't deter an attack, the capability to spill blood on the ground does.

And what do you propose? Give Ukraine nukes and build NATO bases? This was one of the reasons why this war started to begin with. And if you just want Ukraine to join NATO no matter what, because nothing else can guarantee it's sovereignty, than why should Russia even negotiate, if hostile bases and nuclear silos would be there anyway after the peace? Might as well go full scorched-earth and level Ukraine to the ground if it's going to become a NATO hub after the war ends.

 

[White_N]

Consequences of the strike on the Artyom defense plant in Kiev on 04/28/2022


Anti-tank, anti-ship, aviation and other missiles were produced here.

#Day_64


Zelensky was presented with a "Saint Javelin," and this is not a joke.

A T-shirt from a "foreign benefactor" with the image of "Saint Javeline" was presented to Zelensky by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Reznikov.

In outer space, Russian cosmonauts Artemyev and Matveev unfurled a copy of the Victory Banner.

also

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I've seen some people complain about both sides using old ass weaponry, but I do kind of wonder about whether that old weaponry doesn't have some advantages in certain contexts.

• Mosin Nagant (mostly DPR forces)

While in urban warfare more modern weapons like the M4 would have a huge advantage over the Mosin Nagant, if you look at satellite images of Ukraine, there are a lot of massive farmers' fields with hedgerows around them.

Besides RPGs or a PK, anything firing that round got my immediate attention. My experience is limited to running a crew-served weapon on guntrucks in Iraq; when there's enough AKs & other small arms firing it all kind of blends together, and only when it's close did it demand special attention (it doesn't take long to figure out you're being shot at), but hearing any full-power rifle rounds somewhere nearby always made me nervous.

The reason being is that AP is a lot more common outside of the US, and even an old Mosin loaded with that can punch through lightly armored vehicles or thick cover. And being on a crew-served system pretty much guarantees any 54R is going to be aimed at the gunner or soft part of the vehicle. Not until we got M1113s loaded with uparmor door & turret kits, did things like PKs (or whatever) stop immediately ruining our day. And as mechanic during normal business hours, I hated fixing the shit that got shot up by it.

• Maxim machine gun (mostly Ukraine)

This one is likely the most out of place on a modern battlefield, but on the flip side of that point, it's entirely expendable. A lot of the conscripts Ukraine is sending to the front have very little to no training and there's no assurance they won't just surrender as soon as they start taking fire.

No MG is expendable; and the crews designated to run them aren't going to be fresh conscripts or green volunteers, except for possibly the guy who humps the spare barrels and/or tripod/mount.
And even then, no section NCO is going to want a fumblefingered fuckass feeding their gun ammo, forgetting spare barrels, dropping T&E's, or just plain not knowing how to unfuck themselves.

While having little utility outside of guarding interior checkpoints or FOBs, as part of a layered defense, any old MG that runs & has ammo like the Maxim would still be invaluable as a training aid for "gifted" trainees & troops.

• PPSh 41 (militia on both sides)

This is one I think has the most use on a modern battlefield despite there being better (which means more expensive) alternatives. If we compare it to other open bolt weapons which are designed to be able to perform suppression within the context of a line squad like the more modern M249, no it's not nearly as good.

Ah, the slavic meme machine. The only reason I'd want one is if I was in a vehicle crew (more spacious than a T72) & wanted to be an individual. They're heavy & awkward, compared to any modern crewman's carbine or PDW. And then I'd only carry one if I had a ready supply of good 7.62x25, and didn't have to carry any of it.

Edit: I've fired them in both calibers; 9mm was boring, but 7.62 Tokarev was hilarious. If I was looking at being shoved into vicious room-to-room fighting, I wouldn't kick a 7.62 PPSH out of bed as a side piece. But I'd still rather carry something like a 249 (or something similar), sad as that is. Maybe it'd be different for doorkickers, but I dunno why something like a PDW or shotgun wouldn't be better.

 

[Lookie-lou]

Zelensky was presented with a "Saint Javelin," and this is not a joke.

A T-shirt from a "foreign benefactor" with the image of "Saint Javeline" was presented to Zelensky by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Reznikov.
View attachment 3228509

It's kinda pathetic how hard they are pushing that meme, given their performance with the weapon has been kinda underwhelming compared to the mujahedeen goat herders with stingers 35 years ago. I know one is for choppers and the other for tanks, but comon.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Famed vulture and nuclear war appreciator Aslund is getting the willies.

 

[BONE_Buddy]

As for the Nuclear Weapons question being discussed earlier,

Russia has been very consistent in saying that they would use tactical nuclear weapons on Ukrainian military targets if NATO starts sending in its military forces. Which is a far different prospect from what people are being lead to think what the threat is. Of course Russia nuking the World over Ukraine is insane, but the more refined threat is being lost in transmission.

Now, would Russia use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine, against Ukrainian military targets, if NATO rolls in the Divisions? Who knows. But it is much more in the realm of possibility.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

It's kinda pathetic how hard they are pushing that meme, given their performance with the weapon has been kinda underwhelming compared to the mujahedeen goat herders with stingers 35 years ago. I know one is for choppers and the other for tanks, but comon.

I dunno.... I could almost hear him rolling his eyes, and he seemed distinctly unimpressed; probably having seen the meme far too many times by this point, and it was cringy to start with.

 

[JosephStalin]

Interesting article about a deadly design flaw in Soviet/Russian tanks. Explains why we see so many with turrets blown clean off.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-s-tanks-in-ukraine-have-a-jack-in-the-box-design-flaw-and-the-west-has-known-about-it-since-the-gulf-war/ar-AAWFspU?li=BBorjTa&ocid=mailsignout

https://archive.ph/QDpSN

 

[Big Nasty]

Do any of those faggots that insists on pronouncing place names the TRUE and HONEST UKRANIAN way actually pronounce them right?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

It allegedly happened during The Battle of Stalingrad.

During the battle itself, or after captured German prisoners were sent to a Siberian prison camp? Definitely acknowledged to have happened during the Siege of Leningrad.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Interesting article about a deadly design flaw in Soviet/Russian tanks. Explains why we see so many with turrets blown clean off.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-s-tanks-in-ukraine-have-a-jack-in-the-box-design-flaw-and-the-west-has-known-about-it-since-the-gulf-war/ar-AAWFspU?li=BBorjTa&ocid=mailsignout

https://archive.ph/QDpSN

If accurate, it would be a really stupid design flaw, which isn't surprising. But the jest of its saying is accurate, that storing ammo inside the turret is a bad move. Back in World War 2, the M4 had this problem so we made wet ammo storage that will help prevent it. It massively decreased the jack in the box effect, but not because the wet ammo storage system was that effective, but because it caused the ammo to be moved to the floor of the hull instead of sitting on racks inside the turret, which gave it much more protection with both armor and the fact that training says to aim for the upper parts of the hull or the turret.

Picture of wet ammo storage:

 

[White_N]

It's kinda pathetic how hard they are pushing that meme, given their performance with the weapon has been kinda underwhelming compared to the mujahedeen goat herders with stingers 35 years ago. I know one is for choppers and the other for tanks, but comon.

They praise every foreign weapon they receive. Has everyone already forgotten about the song dedicated to Bayraktar?

 

[MrJokerRager]

Interesting Slav Meme.

https://t.me/TheEternalUkrainian2/4864

Kids love guns.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/2693

Hohol Nazis chilling.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/3421

And a thread on dvach dedicated to the Hohol cannibal still at large.

https://2ch.hk/po/res/48471586.html

And some Dvach threads for memes from their equivalent of /k/

https://2ch.life/wm/res/3892965.html

https://2ch.life/wm/res/3825180.html

 

[IKOL]

Since when The Guardian is stealing Babylon Bee's articles?

Please explain, I don't understand what's going on anymore.

 

[PittyKitty]

Cannibalism to own da Russians, to destroy da Russians!

The longer this thread goes the more it hurts me in me feels.

And i thought 2020/21 was peak clown. Jesus fuck, its Friday morning and i feel like i need a drink already.

Image somewhat related.