Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[Loony Tunes]

so he's not even AGP then, just a fat fancy boy. why did his mom troon him them? there are plenty of derpy jewboys who wear dashikis in university and then get bullshit jobs like "dog nutritionist" and settle down with a short brown haired lady in miami. they wear hawaiian shirts and have annoying backyard parties where everyone has a beard and is mangled drunk by 8pm. this seems perfectly acceptable for an upper class white mother no?

Because then he wouldn’t be special

 

[all4mom2]

even if it was aunt debbie's fault, i still don't see any REASON. jazz was born after the year 2000, it's hard to imagine a wealthy mother having a problem with her son being a sissy boy. he isn't even her only son! she has 3, it doesn't matter if one of them turns out poorly. i don't know why i decided to browse this website drunk today. it's getting me into a very autistic rage spiral.

Okay, you brought her up; not me. BECAUSE Cousin Debbie, the "expert," convinced first Jeanette and then Greg that Jazz would kill himself if they DIDN'T troon him out. She was very big on those alleged suicide statistics, citing them too in her dissertation.

 

[NerdShamer]

She was very big on those alleged suicide statistics, citing them too in her dissertation.

Everyone else pulls this card, how is Debbie any different?

 

[all4mom2]

Everyone else pulls this card, how is Debbie any different?

Everyone else isn't Jeanette's friend and trusted family member; this was first discussed at a backyard bar-b-q.

Without her bringing up the "trans" thing, I'd guess they would have just assumed he was gay and either discouraged it or let it play out.

Either way, he'd have grown out of it at puberty since he now appears to be both masculine and straight.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

Oh Lort, not again with Cousin She Who Shall Not Be Named.

 

[PBR Streetgang]

Oh Lort, not again with Cousin She Who Shall Not Be Named.

Not to backseat mod but I have to ask:

Spoiler

Is there any single other thing to add about Debbie aside from chiming in for the thousandth time with "actually it was her idea too?" Or whiny put-upon comments about how "I guess we aren't allowed to talk about her?" Is there anything? Anything at all?

I realize people are up in here shitposting about Sander being a dead-eyed serial killer and Jazz being a tragic refrigerator shaped eunuch. None of us are writing the next great American novel over here. But at least people are riffing off of new content, or have a new angle on something old, or are funny, or something. Is Debbie on the show enough for there to be any significant expansion on the theme of "Debbie did it" and "idk why I can't talk about Debbie (pout)"??

"But people talk about (other done-to-death thing)!! Other people repeat themselves!! No fair!!" Yeah, but people are enjoying that content. So maybe the issue isn't "why can't I talk about Debbie" so much as "why can't I write whatever I want on kiwifarms and have people love it."

Debbie needs to give more content. Until then, I have to assume that constantly circling back to the "it isn't just Jeanette- who drove her child to appointments, put him on TV repeatedly, agreed to the entire process, and clearly holds him hostage emotionally along with the entire family- it was an aunt at a barbecue too!!" is being written by the world's laziest PR person while they drink White Claw and text Jeanette about how they're working hard on damage control.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Well, Deb still works "helping" trans kids, right? She's the kind of person who sends kids to butchers like Dr. Irishname.

 

[LonesomeDud]

Not to backseat mod but I have to ask:

Spoiler

Is there any single other thing to add about Debbie aside from chiming in for the thousandth time with "actually it was her idea too?" Or whiny put-upon comments about how "I guess we aren't allowed to talk about her?" Is there anything? Anything at all?
I realize people are up in here shitposting about Sander being a dead-eyed serial killer and Jazz being a tragic refrigerator shaped eunuch. None of us are writing the next great American novel over here. But at least people are riffing off of new content, or have a new angle on something old, or are funny, or something. Is Debbie on the show enough for there to be any significant expansion on the theme of "Debbie did it" and "idk why I can't talk about Debbie (pout)"??
"But people talk about (other done-to-death thing)!! Other people repeat themselves!! No fair!!" Yeah, but people are enjoying that content. So maybe the issue isn't "why can't I talk about Debbie" so much as "why can't I write whatever I want on kiwifarms and have people love it."
Debbie needs to give more content. Until then, I have to assume that constantly circling back to the "it isn't just Jeanette- who drove her child to appointments, put him on TV repeatedly, agreed to the entire process, and clearly holds him hostage emotionally along with the entire family- it was an aunt at a barbecue too!!" is being written by the world's laziest PR person while they drink White Claw and text Jeanette about how they're working hard on damage control.

Family and friends also just insert themselves about children and are wrong, Jeanette could have easily told Debbie thank you, that they'd let Jazz develop naturally and just see where things went. No need to blame Debbie. She didn't do this to Jazz, even if she supports/pushes it.

 

[Barbarella]

This is the only thing I’m going to say about Debbie. And it includes minor Powerleveling.

I have family members I’m closed to, whom I trust, who are degreed experts in things.

I have kids. None of those experts, whom I love, trust and respect, could cause me to think I don’t know my own child, or that suicide would be in the future. The only exception would be somebody with an actutalvmedical degree saying my kid has a mole that looks bad, or whatever. Then I’d go to a derm, but this brain shit? Nope.

Sure, I’d listen, I’d research, but ultimately whatever to happened would be my and my spouses decision. Nobody could scare me with phony statistics (which they all are), or horror stories, or anything.

I have seen enough of Jeannette to know that she also makes her own mind up. It might be wrong, it has been wrong, she drinks too much because it was wrong-but all responsibility rests on the parents.

So IMO Debbie didn’t play that much of a role. She gave Jeanette some ideas, sure. She talked about her research. But Jeannette, as the parent, did what she wanted-and in that day and age a child who supposedly was in the “wrong body” was not unknown, at least on the coasts. Jeanette wouldn’t even have said anything to her family member if she wasn’t going down that road.

If TV and media hadn’t been involved, they all would have had no skin in the game and it could go back to being a phase, and Jaron would have fucked more girls than Sander. But the media attention, letters, accolades, the idea that they were making the world better-all made backing down that hard and his Jeannette in the ego.

This woman Debbie has been given outsized importance compared to her role and it’s time to let this idea go.

Now the issue is Sander wandering the country being a creepy pickup artist while he looks for a bride, Jazz’s obesity to cover up his destroyed body and where that will lead, and how based DeSantis is on this issue of letting toddlers read books like Jazz’. Until they do something important, this thread will be minor gossip while we wait, as always.

 

[Myth Vision]

Isn't it true that Jazz Jennings currently has no sexual function? Which would make sense because Jazz never went through puberty. Cross sex hormones don't work other than feminizing secondary sex characteristics but they don't do the "hard work" puberty.

 

[UncleTusky]

Isn't it true that Jazz Jennings currently has no sexual function? Which would make sense because Jazz never went through puberty. Cross sex hormones don't work other than feminizing secondary sex characteristics but they don't do the "hard work" puberty.

Yeah the HRT left him with a micropenis (which forced the quack butchers to use a hybrid penile inversion + peritoneal pull-through approach for his mutilation) and zero sex drive. He is definitely incapable of having an orgasm and probably incapable of feeling sexual attraction. His understanding of love and romance is pretty much stuck at "prepubescent" and the extremely young age when he received HRT + SRS means doctors will probably have no idea how to help him if he asks for help because there are maybe a few dozen people like him in the world.

 

[all4mom2]

NO ONE is saying Jeanette is blameless, but these are the facts of how it came to be. People can decide for themselves who deserves what percentage of the blame, if that matters, without other people trying to censor or rewrite history.

 

[Sonya-chan]

Cross sex hormones don't work other than feminizing secondary sex characteristics but they don't do the "hard work" puberty.

It doesn't feminize anything though, it justs delay the inevitable.
If Jazz was actually feminized, he would have female fat distribution (and that gut says otherwise), his face would be a female face and not a "young boy" one and finally, he would have period and boobs (tubular moobs do not count.)

 

[Loony Tunes]

Cousin Debbie didn’t take jazz to get puberty blockers, hormones, and surgery’s, Jeannette did.
Jeanette is also the one that doctor shopped until she got a trans diagnosis for jazz nWhy is this a debate?

 

[PBR Streetgang]

NO ONE is saying Jeanette is blameless, but these are the facts of how it came to be. People can decide for themselves who deserves what percentage of the blame, if that matters, without other people trying to censor or rewrite history.

"censor"
More totally normal non-histrionic and not at all obsessive posting, very cool

 

[LonesomeDud]

NO ONE is saying Jeanette is blameless, but these are the facts of how it came to be. People can decide for themselves who deserves what percentage of the blame, if that matters, without other people trying to censor or rewrite history.

If your parents mutilate you, it's a weak excuse to lay blame at the feet of some weirdo. You did it. If they sexually abused Jazz, it doesn't matter if Debbie was a "MAP supporter" or whatever who said Jazz wanted to be raped. The fault lies at the feet of the people who did the act.

 

[BroccoliBrain]

It's not just test. It's actually a certain kind of testosterone called DHT that isn't really good like normal testosterone. It's totally possible to have low normal test and high DHT. That's probably why so many soyboys are balding. There's even a theory that low test in adolescence is correlated with high DHT levels in adulthood and thus a terrible second puberty, i.e. the male equivalent of hitting the wall. High DHT is also correlated with weight gain, heart disease, and high blood pressure.

Balding from T also depends on how sensitive your hair follicles are to DHT, some men (and women!) are pitifully unlucky and get shitty thin hair from it, and men's voices are also affected in the same way where cells in the larynx can vary in sensitivity so some of the manliest men out there might have normal or even wimpy pitched voices. Basically you can't really say a man has low test just by looking at him, even if he is a balding lumpy mong.

 

[NoReturn]

Probably because his feet hurt from the women's shoes he was wearing. It's so hard to be a girl!

Even Anna the Behemoth wears ugly Teva sandals; wouldn't bare soles on a hard floor be more painful to stand on?

Is because man feets. Skeleton is different, weight and legs sit differently when standing.
Honestly if they weren't stereotyped as hippy lesbian shoes I'd expect to see way more men wearing Berkinstocks for this exact reason.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

doctors will probably have no idea how to help him if he asks for help because there are maybe a few dozen people like him in the world.

A few THOUSAND males. But it doesn't matter because there is nothing doctors could ever do for him because he missed puberty - the most important development for humans. Also the goal of puberty blocking is to prevent everything that comes with becoming a man including sexuality. You can't pick & chose what effects of puberty you want to have. It's over for Jazz.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

I still maintain it's better that Jazz has no clue what arousal, orgasm, and having a normal and functioning penis feel like versus knowing and having them be mutilated and destroyed. The only silver lining within this abusive nightmare is Jazz's complete naivete/lack of experience. It's actually evil that his family and doctors have told him pleasurable sex is even possible, but I think Jazz is at turns too uncomfortable and dead both in his mind and genitals that it's moot now anyway.