The ‘Groomer’ Accusation Is Counterproductive - Cuckservatives are too afraid to call groomers out for what they are

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“Groomer” has become the fashionable charge to level against anyone who opposes Florida’s parental-rights bill. It’s counterproductive. And not because it isn’t super creepy to see so many liberals invested in ensuring prepubescent kids, trapped in state-run schools, are force-fed post-modern, pseudoscientific ideas about sexuality and transgenderism in direct contradiction of the wishes of their parents.

And it’s not because leftists, who habitually dehumanize and smear their opponents as racists, rapists, bigots, and nihilists, don’t deserve it. Just this week, the head of the DNC called a U.S. senator “a maggot-infested man.” We would be knee-deep in feigned outrage had this been aimed at a Democrat. Professional hysterics would be calling it “pre-genocide talk.” So please spare us the tone-policing.

And it’s not because the political frustration isn’t understandable. The entire “Don’t Say Gay” accusation is based on a lie, perpetuated by virtually every mass-media outlet. Democrats not only get to give their bills misleading names like “The Freedom to Vote Act” or “Build Back Better,” they get to misname Republican bills, too. Which must be nice.

Rather, the accusation is wrong because it isn’t really true. Most opponents of the bill, I’m sure, aren’t “grooming” kids for sexual acts. They simply don’t believe that parents should have a say in their kids’ education. They want to normalize half-baked identitarianism and gender ideology against the will of parents. That’s bad enough.

Though most of this “groomer” debate is very online, I also question its political efficacy. The pugilistic inclination among conservatives these days isn’t a bad one. You can’t bring a knife to gun fight, and so on. But, in this case, it makes little sense. Turning it to eleven on every issue has diminishing returns. It didn’t work for Democrats in Virginia. And it isn’t working in Florida. Why do some conservatives believe it will always work for them? Florida Republicans passed the parental-rights bill — a far more consequential victory, incidentally, than dunking on Twitter accounts — without using hyperbolic language. Every poll quoting the bill verbatim, or even framing it a halfway-honest way, finds overwhelming bipartisan support. “Groomer” is a distraction that allows progressives to stop defending the idea that kindergartners should be taught that there are 72 genders, and instead, make it about how Republicans think every teacher is a would-be pedophile.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

I have to agree with the general idea that calling everyone a groomer is very counterproductive long-term, but a hit dog will holler and there is real evil out there who wants to prey on your kids. A lot of the people who get really mad about this give me the stranger danger heeby jeebies and I would not let them have access to a goddamn goldfish let alone a child unsupervised. The word is actually working.

However... This reminds me of "Pizzagate" because the same schizophrenic retards who get mad when you tell them to cool it a little bit ran that right into the ground too. I'm not saying everyone had to be on their best behavior and do the "optics" game, but for Pete's sake maybe remember that most people are not permanently on the internet.

This is generally my take as well. The same morons who took a small victory and ran it into the ground because they have zero discretion or ability to read a room are the same ones taking a small victory and starting the cycle over again.

Pizzagate required people finding symbols and drawing conclusions based on scant evidence. This new movement against pedophiles requires watching their publicly posted TikTok videos where they admit to grooming children. Furthermore, they demand to be able to do it and throw a fucking tantrum when denied.

If Hillary Clinton had put the toddler down for long enough to jump up and down and scream that she just had to fuck this baby Pizzagate may have had more legs.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Really the groomer sperging is just making it easier for the media to reframe anyone questioning LGBT education for elementary schoolers as QAnon-tier schizos. Take HHH using that as his go-to insult over the last few weeks as an indicator of the narrative your average shitlib is going to start pushing in response, and it'll probably work on unplugged moderates.

Talking more about what, specifically, is being taught, and asking why the hell literal children need exposure to that level of detail to what are fundamentally adult sexual concepts, will win you more with the masses than replying to any and all opposition with "LOL OK GROOMER".

He’s been calling everyone qanon schitzos for like 4 years. Dudes barely better than that Palmer Report faggot at this point.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

Pizzagate required people finding symbols and drawing conclusions based on scant evidence. This new movement against pedophiles requires watching their publicly posted TikTok videos where they admit to grooming children. Furthermore, they demand to be able to do it and throw a fucking tantrum when denied.

If Hillary Clinton had put the toddler down for long enough to jump up and down and scream that she just had to fuck this baby Pizzagate may have had more legs.

> symbols

you mean the weird photos of kids, the musicians hinting about pedo shit, and the symbol that's in the FBI database that there were blatantly using?

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

> symbols

you mean the weird photos of kids, the musicians hinting about pedo shit, and the symbol that's in the FBI database that there were blatantly using?

I'm not saying Pizzagate was without merit. There was a lot of weird shit that was hard to find an innocent explanation for. Still, nobody was openly gloating about teaching toddlers about masturbation or transgenderism or drag queens. There weren't videos of drag queens performing in school gymnasiums, or genderqueer teachers crying that they're not allowed to talk about their gay sex parties. There wasn't a full-court press by pedophile enablers on every fucking website telling us to be nice to their friends.

Now these dorks are here to tell us to pull back while the pedos are on the back foot because this is all very bad form.

 

[TowinKarz]

No, it works. Because they write endless articles about how they're totally not grooming children, they're just helping them understand their sexuality. It flushes them out because they can't help but overexplain and create new ammunition against themselves. They prove the groomer charge is correct with their own words.

It's a good thing all the "right side of history" nonsense has given these people such incredible egos they literally can't NOT gloat about their plan as if we're James Bond over the piranha pit... they've been told their whole lives that they'll win in the end, the opposition is old, tired, and dying off, so what's the harm in admitting it, right?

 

[Meth Kennedy]

Now these dorks are here to tell us to pull back while the pedos are on the back foot because this is all very bad form.

Look just because I think radios are neat doesn't mean you can call me a dork, I will not take that from a pig.

As I said I am not telling anyone to do jack or shit besides reel it in a little bit and stop calling some hippy dippy grandma in Colorado a pedophile because they think it owns the libs. Instead of that maybe try asking her to A: read the bill and B: why she is throwing in her lot with people who are grooming children because as far as she knows we're all just a bunch of bigots who wants to kill kids (probably with our AR47) and keep women barefoot and pregnant.

That leads me to my next point that the rainbow cult is not on the back foot and they're just not stepping forward so hard right now. They still have most of the media choices out there and even though "the media" as normal people know it is not trustworthy there are "alternatives" that aren't the names that people know, like Vox or Washington Post or maybe even Salon. They're not on the big TV so they're not "the media" right? There's all these sites that if they ask their lunatic friends who are "really into politics" they are going to get pointed to some site probably with some app crap that says you are the real groomer. Pretty sure we had a thread about one of those articles here already, right?

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

stop calling some hippy dippy grandma in Colorado a pedophile because they think it owns the libs

The other side throws BRICKS at grandmas. They LAUGH when grandma gets hurt. Can't you understand that we're dealing with seriously evil people? This isn't all some rhetorical puzzle where the goal is to find the optimal solution so we get the highest score. This is real life where real children are being mentally ruined by sick people who need to be removed from power by any means necessary.

but by all means let's pussyfoot around calling it what it is because some of them don't actually fondle the kids' dicks, they're just 100% behind the people who do and they'll try to ruin your life if you speak against it

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

As I said I am not telling anyone to do jack or shit besides reel it in a little bit and stop calling some hippy dippy grandma in Colorado a pedophile because they think it owns the libs.

If said hippie dippie grandma continues to oppose reasonable anti-grooming laws even after being informed of what the contents of the bill(s) are, or even BRAGS about talking to prepubescent kids about gender-bending or masturbation or doing drugs while fucking....

I will gladly call her a groomer/pedophile.

 

[Meth Kennedy]

The other side throws BRICKS at grandmas. They LAUGH when grandma gets hurt. Can't you understand that we're dealing with seriously evil people?

Yeah that's why I used "evil" in my first post.

This isn't all some rhetorical puzzle where the goal is to find the optimal solution so we get the highest score. This is real life where real children are being mentally ruined by sick people who need to be removed from power by any means necessary.

Take a moment and think about the world around you. How many of your peers have their noses in their phones? How many of those people are constantly thinking about politics like you are? How many of those people have a complete picture? Now you take that small group of people, set them aside, and call the rest of them pedophiles and see what happens. Then do it for people a decade older. Then a decade older than that. Then do it to people my age. Then do it to people older than I am.

You will notice a trend where more and more people call you a goddamn dingbat, everyone tunes you out, and now you're some crazy guy who "spends too much time on the internet" which gets you nowhere. Worse still it the monsters out there get away with this shit all over again and we slide further back and we both agree that cannot happen again.

If said hippie dippie grandma continues to oppose reasonable anti-grooming laws even after being informed of what the contents of the bill(s) are, or even BRAGS about talking to prepubescent kids about gender-bending or masturbation or doing drugs while fucking....

I will gladly call her a groomer/pedophile.

Always be willing to be reasonable until you have to be unreasonable. If she refuses to listen to reason then you must do unreasonable things.

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

The other side calls us names for decades until it sticks and they get permanent institutional power. But fighting back using the same methods as them, oh no, that wouldn't be effective at all! Every time I hear someone say "let's not do the same thing as the enemy because then we'd lose" I know I'm dealing with someone who doesn't understand how the enemy won.

If the normies on the liberal-left aren't pedophiles, keep calling them that so they have to justify WHY THEY SUPPORT PEDOPHILES. Since they can't it will move them to the right. Just like how conservatives were pulled to the left by being called racist bigots.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

If the normies on the liberal-left aren't pedophiles, keep calling them that so they have to justify WHY THEY SUPPORT PEDOPHILES. Since they can't it will move them to the right. Just like how conservatives were pulled to the left by being called racist bigots.

Exactly. Make even being associated with a groomer so socially harmful that normal people will mind their Ps and Qs and reel it the fuck in. There's always going to be pedophiles-we don't need a bunch of useful idiots holding the door open for them.

So it's really simple: any faggot making excuses and whining about tactics and optics is on the Wrong Side of History. When the books are all written, you don't want to be tallied alongside the kidfuckers, do you? Tsk tsk.

 

[Intensening Rapeye]

Exactly. Make even being associated with a groomer so socially harmful that normal people will mind their Ps and Qs and reel it the fuck in. There's always going to be pedophiles-we don't need a bunch of useful idiots holding the door open for them.

So it's really simple: any faggot making excuses and whining about tactics and optics is on the Wrong Side of History. When the books are all written, you don't want to be tallied alongside the kidfuckers, do you? Tsk tsk.

I was molested as a child. But this thing I'm quoting is actually objectively worse than said molestation.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

The other side calls us names for decades until it sticks and they get permanent institutional power. But fighting back using the same methods as them, oh no, that wouldn't be effective at all! Every time I hear someone say "let's not do the same thing as the enemy because then we'd lose" I know I'm dealing with someone who doesn't understand how the enemy won.

If the normies on the liberal-left aren't pedophiles, keep calling them that so they have to justify WHY THEY SUPPORT PEDOPHILES. Since they can't it will move them to the right. Just like how conservatives were pulled to the left by being called racist bigots.

Exactly. "Bigot" cowed the right into the state they are in now where they support Dave Rubin and his butt buddy renting wombs so they can play house. Keep pushing.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

The other side calls us names for decades until it sticks and they get permanent institutional power. But fighting back using the same methods as them, oh no, that wouldn't be effective at all!

You're going to continue to "lose" because you don't understand that your opposition didn't amass the power it did just by shouting mean words for decades, and you don't understand that you can't do the same thing to "fight back"-- not because you wouldn't be justified, and not because it wouldn't be initially effective, but because you don't have the power your opposition amassed to make that work with even competitive long term efficacy.

 

[Papa Pizzaria]

uuuuoooOOOHHHH muh OPTICS!

 

[Papa Pizzaria]

Really the groomer sperging is just making it easier for the media to reframe anyone questioning LGBT education for elementary schoolers as QAnon-tier schizos. Take HHH using that as his go-to insult over the last few weeks as an indicator of the narrative your average shitlib is going to start pushing in response, and it'll probably work on unplugged moderates.

Talking more about what, specifically, is being taught, and asking why the hell literal children need exposure to that level of detail to what are fundamentally adult sexual concepts, will win you more with the masses than replying to any and all opposition with "LOL OK GROOMER".

Yes if they didn't do this the media would've obviously been completely friendly to them, just like they've been for the past 6 years.

 

[Allanon]

You're going to continue to "lose" because you don't understand that your opposition didn't amass the power it did just by shouting mean words for decades, and you don't understand that you can't do the same thing to "fight back"-- not because you wouldn't be justified, and not because it wouldn't be initially effective, but because you don't have the power your opposition amassed to make that work with even competitive long term efficacy.

Exactly this. Doorknobs think that somehow people shrieking bad words long enough have given those people power and so if only they shout bad words they'll have power. They're as bad as companies who think a twitter trend is somehow representative of the market despite how easy it is to force a trend. The people on the right do not have the institutions, the media, or the power structures to amplify their message, and in fact while they repeatedly shout insults the very same power structures that amplify the left's criticisms will diminish, dismiss, and clown on them for it - pointing out the absurdity and only amplifying the most insane parts. And the right cannot gain power by shouting mean words because that's not how the left gained power.

As another person said, the people involved aren't even on the defensive right now. The bill might be succeeding in Florida, but public perception is not 'DeSantis is stopping the groomers from grooming', it's 'Florida is being extra conservative and regulating when schools are allowed to teach about gay and trans stuff' - and that's only counting the people who aren't just buying the media's "don't say gay" rhetoric. I've said it multiple times now, but the bill is not some great victory, it's really just PR for DeSantis and his upcoming campaign. While idiots continue to scream 'groomer' at every self-identifying liberal, what little institutional backing they have right now will have long moved on to whatever next stunt DeSantis has planned.

 

[DeeDee Megadoodoo]

There are more types of grooming that sexual grooming (though that is most certainly a component, too). They're undeniably doing Marxist/political grooming, and no one can legitimately deny that. They say it themselves very flatly, in, I'd say MOST of their literature. They talk endlessly about "instilling a critical consciousness". That's literally Marxist grooming. The Neo-Marxists described their mission that way, in those exact words, and it's the core of the most foundational texts in the modern teaching universities-- because they were written by admitted Marxists, who openly described their intentions.

 

[Otterly]

Grooming is an accurate word for all this. Grooming implies :
-inappropriate exposure of children to adult activities, knowledge or themes
-breaking of safeguarding around children, such as confidential disclosure (keeping secrets over gender identity for example)
-secrecy and parental alienation (don’t tell mummy! / our little secret!)
-gradual pushing of boundaries with children with the end goal of doing something bad to them
It is, absolutely, 100% grooming and groomer is an accurate accusation.
Someone many years ago said something in the context of standing up for their kids that really struck me: either we face it or the children will.
We get what we tolerate, and it is at least heartening to see so much pushback against it. But there needs to be more

 

[Kosher Dill]

Making a distinction between the grooming process in schools and the pedo who eventually rapes a kid because of it is like making a distinction between getting AIDS and the pneumonia that eventually kills you. Technically accurate but not very useful from a public-policy perspective.

You can't grind a kid's resistances and boundaries (their "immunity" in this metaphor) down to zero, knock down all of society's guardrails, and separate them from the responsible adults in their lives, and then say "Well I personally didn't rape any kids".