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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
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Get fucked, this is great news. Congrats burgers. Can only hope other countries follow suit.
Even Mexico legalized it, shithole South American countries are legalizing it.
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So we can pretty safely conclude this was leaked to distract from the coming economic collapse right?
Of course. And the massive border swell. And WWIII. All that to save Dems.
So using my retarded brain I cannot see how abortion was a Constitutional right.

Now, I know some Kiwis will disagree with me saying abortion should be a "right" because they "feel" good about it but we must resist our personal "FEELINGS" and go to the source text.

That is the 14th Amendment to the Constitution:

The emphasized text is what the "right" to abortion is based on. The Court in Roe and Casey found the above text had a right of privacy and based on this interpreted right, there was a "right" to an abortion.

This is not just interpreting the Constitution with a modern lens, it's rewriting the Amendment for you specific purpose. Using a modern lens, one could find that even gay marriage was protected under the below:

But where in the world does one build the foundation for abortion?

The truth is that it does not exist and as it's foundation was woven out of feelings.

I don't support the repeal of Roe but am not saddened to see it go. If you support the right of an abortion, the process to make it legal is in the Constitution...pass an amendment making a protected right but don't take it away from public discourse.
Slaves were never meant to be citizens of the United States. They were meant to be deported. The 14th was made for them. The statement 'if you want to repeal the 19th, repeal the 14th', applies here.

Dems had that chance under Obama and Obama chafed at it.
It will be interesting to see if there are any actual demographic changes over this decision. Will people flee Red, anti-abortion states or will they stay in states that offer lower taxes, lower living costs, and better business opportunities? In all likelihood we will see wealthy liberals living in Red states travel to Blue states to get abortions while continuing to virtue signal about how awful it is to live in a Red state and continuing to reap the benefits of living in them. Meanwhile the poor are shit out of luck but will gladly be used as political pawns by wealthy liberals.


I don't know if it will go that far but I have read some interesting takes on this related to COVID vaccinations. If Roe V Wade is overturned that could remove the right to medical privacy and open up the door to laws about forced vaccinations and needing to show a vaccination card. In a sense this could be the ultimate salt storm that screws over both liberals and conservatives. Truly a beautiful thing for everyone that wants to laugh at Internet autism and mindless screeching.
That is what people are missing. The Right hated forced vaccinations, while the Left loved it; the Left supports abortions, the right does not. It's bodily autonomy only when they approve of it. If they say the state should decide who does what with their bodies, it is still the state vs the Fed telling you what to do. We all complained about California and its bullshit mask and vaccine mandates and how people lost their jobs over not getting the coof shot. Even some moderate Democrats rebelled against this and how teacher's unions were so keen on demanding the shots for kids. Now the midterms are going to be hot again because the Repubs just couldn't be smart about it and let it go.

The poor will continue to shit out babies along with the illegals both parties will never, ever deport. It took SCOTUS years to decide DACA was bullshit and NOT A SINGLE ONE threw out the anchor baby thing. But this is OK.

If you use the 'my body my choice' for only vaccines or just abortion, you're missing the point. Because if you decide that the state should decide, and not you, the state can decide to just come on in and pluck whatever organ or drop of blood it needs.
 
I literally have pointed out I'm not right wing for years bud. You see you are literally proving your religious dogmatic beliefs. "If you voted for Trump you're right wing." Have you ever heard of centrist? Oh wait you leftist are so used to hijacking the label that anyone that doesn't conform to your misguided beliefs can't exist it's impossible, like a religious fanatic. Tell me something chief, you a hypocrite and for the ban on menthols, or against it? Were you also for mask mandates?
Voting for the most right-wing and divisive president and loving and defending him and all the Republicans at every turns means you're a right-winger. You're just a closeted Republican or you'd actually say bad shit about Republicans instead of siding with the proud gop simping incels on A&N. They may be Republican autists, but at least they have the balls to admit they are.

Luckily, I am a faggot that likes cock so non of that petty bias. Nope, raised by apolitical parents.

The "right" to an abortion does not exist. You are free to support an amendment to place abortion into the Constitution and heck I might even support it.
Why ban abortion and not heart procedures? You GOP fundies are always pushing for "MAH PERSONAL RESPOSIBILITY" but then when your fat ass needs a heart operation, you're fine with it. Why not allow women the same courtesy with abortion?
 
One would hope and the left is pissed so maybe they will and that barricade is probably won’t last long and they will find a way to enter the building

I mean, the way in would probably be whatever security being told to open the doors for the protesters, same as January 6. The question would be who would have the authority to let them in.
 
Repealing Roe V Wade is a mistake, but not because of anything to do with abortion.

One of the outcomes of Roe V. Wade was the concept of the constitutional right to "privacy" being applied to medical decisions, which in turn the court interpreted as the government not having the right to intervene in personal medical choices. This means the government can't unduly intervene in medical choices.

Call me schizo, but I suspect they are repealing Roe V. Wade, so they can get rid of the right to make your own medical decisions, so they can mandate Covid vaccines.

I have no real proof, and I hope I'm wrong. It's just a hypothesis.
 
I mean, the way in would probably be whatever security being told to open the doors for the protesters, same as January 6. The question would be who would have the authority to let them in.
Maybe they do and it would be kind of funny like J6
 
I am double posting for this. It is interesting to see people who loved SCOTUS who shot down the 2020 election reexamination bids by Trump despise it now. It'll be quite the collection for Defiant Ls.

Another thing of note: Brooklyn Dad defiant has 917k followers. He barely has 100 people watching his livestreams.

Someone is botting harder than Keffals.
 
I am double posting for this. It is interesting to see people who loved SCOTUS who shot down the 2020 election reexamination bids by Trump despise it now. It'll be quite the collection for Defiant Ls.

Another thing of note: Brooklyn Dad defiant has 917k followers. He barely has 100 people watching his livestreams.

Someone is botting harder than Keffals.
It’s keffals brand of lazy
 
I'm more baffled by how a previous SCOTUS ruling is able to be overturned by SCOTUS and not via constitutional amendment? Can the SCOTUS overturn Citizens United and the like on a whim, or am I misremembering my gopo class from a decade ago??

edit: the only valid prolife argument in this thread is that this site would run dry of content if half of the retards with boards got deleted prior to being born.
 
Anyway, I am off to bed. Gotta hit the gym before work because I got plans with the girlfriend after work, so early bed for me. I hope all you religious fundies have a nice dream of Donald Trump reading you the bible like you probably want. Me? I'm hoping to dream of delicious smoked babyback ribs
 
Very mixed opinions on this.

On one hand, Roe v Wade (and Casey v Planned Parenthood) were such egregious examples of the court legislating from the bench rather than letting Congress do their jobs. On the other hand, all this is going to do is give the Democrats ammunition for at least the next decade.
This isn't really going to be as huge a thing as people will make it out to be, though. If you live in a blue state nothing is going to change for you. If you live in a red state your access to abortion is already restricted, just go to another state for it. I imagine what we will see is our abortion laws becoming more in line with Europe's, at least until Congress does something.

Personally I align more with Ruth Bader Ginsburg on abortion- it does have a good effect of lowering the amount of ""undesirables"" in the US. Its already bad now, just imagine how it would be if they couldn't kill off 9 of 10 of their pregnancies
 
Anyway, I am off to bed. Gotta hit the gym before work because I got plans with the girlfriend after work, so early bed for me. I hope all you religious fundies have a nice dream of Donald Trump reading you the bible like you probably want. Me? I'm hoping to dream of delicious smoked babyback ribs
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Is she gonna wear her thong when you ride your motorcycle back home from the gym

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Unpopular A&N opinion but I think this is terrible. When you leave it up to individual states then poor women who live in anti-abortion states get fucked over. We can't even provide properly for the low income people already here. There's a shortage of low income housing and prices going up everywhere. I don't understand what the problem with abortion even is. If you aren't religious or have a morality chip on your shoulder why is it so bad? We're already swimming in poor people as is and we keep letting more in through unsecure borders.

Earth is retarded. We deserve to be destroyed by cow farts.
Why?

Do you support abortion or do you believe that abortion is actually in the Constitution?

I am not celebrating this decision either but I know it's correct as the "right to an abortion" does not appear in the Constitution.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for a law to restrict abortion but herein lies the way to voice our opinions...at the ballot box. Pass referendum to permit abortion. Elect rightwing candidates that are for a sane abortion policy, but do not invent rights out of whole cloth.
 
The US is supposed to have separation of church and state. So religious zealots, like A&H tards, are not supposed to be allowed to push their religious shit on the rest of us.

It also removes the concept of body autonomy. So again, retards who were frothing at the mouth about vaccine mandates are now gonna lose that right not to get vaccinated. Or donate blood. Or organ donation

Then again, most A&Hers are incels who want to punish women who hate sex with guys who aren't them, so they probably like that
Not everyone who is against abortion is religious, you should know this.
 
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