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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Over and above that, the evidentiary problems involved are crippling. The person seeking the abortion brings a friend or two, or joins up with other women in the same boat, and if asked the purpose of travel answers “bachelorette party”. Bring the reluctant father, it’s a “romantic weekend away”.
The point of the law would be to restrict in-state entities from providing any assistance for that purpose; probably not to actually restrict individuals. Making a behaviour illegal engages a whole mechanism of ancillary systems designed to curtail illegal behaviours more generally, like loss of public funds, loss of tax preferences, loss of banking, restricted advertising, etc. It would also prevent businesses from providing funds to employees for that purpose.

It would also shove it back into the closet, where it belongs (if it's going to happen at all). The idea that women's abortions should be a topic of public pride is ghoulish at best.
The "fuck you when you're actually born" thing has probably been their biggest weakness.
"Take care of your own children without 100% relying on the State's help and also, you're not allowed to murder them or anyone else" is hardly the most incoherent position, but admittedly, Liberals have done a good job at branding this one through their usual mouthpieces in the media. Just because a state doesn't offer 100% free daycare doesn't mean they don't care about children lol
 
I don't give a fuck about abortion. Blend the fetus in a smoothie for all I care. I want:

-A Tranny to sue a doctor for mutilating their body.
-Doctors all start refusing to mutilate children, give out permanently damaging hormones, giving mentally ill people improper care out of fear of being sued.
-trannies to class action sue doctor for refusing to treat them for their made up illness.
-Goes through the court system to the supreme court.
-All the trannies push for a huge social media campaign, all their politicians cheering the trannies on. Time for acceptance!
-The court says "lol no" and decides its up to the states to figure this shit out.

Then this tranny craze ends with a wave of trannies crying.
 
The "fuck you when you're actually born" thing has probably been their biggest weakness.
On a partisan politics level, maybe. But it's not true when you actually get down to the pro-life activism levels. They run ministries such as Gabriel Project, that assist women with unplanned pregnancies several years after birth.

Will that solve every unplanned knock-up? Of course not. But organizations like that prove "you're not pro-life, you're pro-birth" is a strawman.

Pro-lifers that take the cause seriously are willing to do the work themselves. The abortion crowd, being true liberals, expects other people to do their charity for them, and with other people's money.
 
On a partisan politics level, maybe. But it's not true when you actually get down to the pro-life activism levels. They run ministries such as Gabriel Project, that assist women with unplanned pregnancies several years after birth.

Will that solve every unplanned knock-up? Of course not. But organizations like that prove "you're not pro-life, you're pro-birth" is a strawman.
Yeah. Tbh I think we need to focus on that so women don’t even want abortions in the first place.
 
Isn't abortion mostly down to the individual states anyway? From my understanding Roe v Wade simply prevents an outright ban.
Correct, but the left can't pass a law in every state guaranteeing abortion because of that stupid "will of the people" thing, so Roe V. Wade helped them until now and they're butthurt about losing it.
 
And again, to all those saying "this will blow the midterms!":

All of the aforementioned has been allowed to fester because conservatives have been too timid to conserve anything (other than Israel and Big Business). The last thing the Right needs right now is to worry about upsetting people who already hate their guts and A-log them over everything conceivable under the yellow sun.

No more token defense. "This'll blow the midterms" is just another way of saying "muh Real Conservative™️ principullz!"

Shitlibs are running scared now that the Right is going on the offensive. That momentum cannot falter.
Also, not certain how many people who aren't screaming apoplectic women and soyboy they can energize with this. It's the midterms. Pretty sure there are a lot of things that people will worry about before getting up for abortion rights. It is going to be thrown back to the states to sort out, and I'm not convinced a whole lot of them are immediately going to go "banning it now", more likely they will kinda keep it available after all this time.

It's been 50 years of allowing abortion, I doubt many states are going to go "Let's throw this all out", but will probably come up with legislation that tighten up (or perhaps even loosen depending on the state) some aspects of it. Perhaps the time allowed before you are barred from having an abortion will be decreased (fetal heartbeat theory for example). Maybe a few will outright ban it, but that will be very surprising to me. Even if it is in some states, go elsewhere then.

The idea that "abortion is over and banned" imo is hysteria. It's going back to the states to figure out.
 
Yeah. Tbh I think we need to focus on that so women don’t even want abortions in the first place.
Maybe we also should undo that whole "Free Sex Sexual Revolution thing" I am not a prude or anything but I don't think Hook up culture has been healthy for anyone.
 
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You know if they cared they would’ve formally passed a law about it instead of just leaving it as something that can be overturned at a whim. Funny enough support for abortion has been eroding as technology has made it easier for younger and younger infants to survive early on.
 
Why do you think it's impossible to find physical evidence of someone taking medication to induce an abortion?

Evidentiary issues I would expect to come across in the hypothetical case that was posed, i.e. a husband suspects a wife traveled out of state and had a medical abortion there:

- She’s not going to admit it, so you are looking for medical evidence. If she presented to hospital in the home state with a miscarrying pregnancy, nothing in the medical investigations done in the home state will show that was an abortion rather than a miscarriage. The miso/ mife combination is used and is very low risk to the woman because it just induces the body to do what it does with a third of known pregnancies anyway: miscarry them. On examination, the miscarriage in progress looks identical as long as the medication is given orally.

- You would need a provision in legislation to obtain access to the wife’s medical records in the other state. This provision would need to be compliant with the Fourth Amendment. Bear in mind the wife commits no offence in the other state by procuring the abortion. It also would be ineffectual if the other state did not require proof of identity to obtain the relevant medication. If the other state will give out miso/mife to Minnie Mouse of 1600 Pennsylvania Drive with no more questions asked, any clinic records you can recover by going the clinic route will be useless. This is even less likely to work if the person the wife went to see in the other state was an Underground Railroad type abortion provider who is a private citizen handing out pills to those who come saying they need them.

- Even if you can obtain proof that she obtained the medication, she doesn’t commit the offence of procuring the abortion unless she actually takes it. Proving she took it requires in the case of mifepristone an assay done on blood taken within 48 hours of administration; after 60 hours it wouldn’t be detectable even in assay. Misoprostol has an even shorter window as it’s not detectable after six hours. (Misoprostol alone will successfully procure abortion, but the risk of the abortion being incomplete and requiring a surgical evacuation of the uterus, as commonly happens in miscarriages, is higher. Which is why mifepristone is also given. But if there were significant time constraints, the wife could take it first thing in the morning and the husband would be up shit creek trying to prove she procured her miscarriage by dinner time.) You also need to make sure the provision that permits the nonconsensual blood draw is Fourth Amendment compliant.
 
Yeah. Tbh I think we need to focus on that so women don’t even want abortions in the first place.
I've met people who do sidewalk counseling and prayer before (and no, they don't hold up images of infant purée anymore, or at least not as much as they used to. They've calmed down since the 90's.)

Young women who get abortions are often frightened and struggling. An unexpected, out-of-wedlock pregnancy when you're young and poor is a shitty situation.

Abby Johnson, a former Planned Parenthood employee-turned-PL advocate, wrote a book called Unplanned where she recalled the difference between the two camps. PP only cared about making money. The pro-lifers welcomed her with open arms and treated her with compassion.

I will swear by it: pro-lifers are some of the friendliest, most merciful, most genuine people you can encounter. They practice what they preach. Anyone who tells you otherwise either hasn't met them or is maliciously lying.

The shrieks of Moloch's Harpies mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes them cackle.
 
The idea that "abortion is over and banned" imo is hysteria. It's going back to the states to figure out.
But if conservative states ban abortions, liberals who fucked up their own states won't be able to move there and fuck them up. They would be "forced" to live in their own shitholes.
 
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