General GunTuber thread

[SinistralRifleman]

Christ the last couple pages has been a bunch of dramatic autism.

And to throw more gas on the autistic fire, hey Phagan how's Karl taking the news about roe v Wade?

I dunno, I suspect it’s going to be harder to maintain supply of freshly harvested fetuses

 

[Corn Flakes]

I dunno, I suspect it’s going to be harder to maintain supply of freshly harvested fetuses

Won't anyone think of the Satanists?!

 

[TerminalTryHard]

I dunno, I suspect it’s going to be harder to maintain supply of freshly harvested fetuses

Yeah I could see how that might effect the planning and organization of the brutality matches.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

Can you imagine how fucked every car would be if we put a knob on the dash that let people adjust the air fuel mixture?

My Model T has just that from the factory. Adjust the carburetor while driving. Also, the timing of the motor is controlled by the operator, while driving.

Or the suspension?

1982 Honda Goldwing. Adjust it while driving.

In summary, people are capable, get fucked.

 

[SinistralRifleman]

Yeah I could see how that might effect the planning and organization of the brutality matches.

I suggested we just use fetal pigs instead and no one would know the difference.

He said he would know and it would ruin his artistic vision. I swear he’s such a diva sometimes.

I mean for a stage inspired by Amy Schumer’s comedy I think the pigs work even better but what do I know?

 

[Puff]

My Model T has just that from the factory. Adjust the carburetor while driving. Also, the timing of the motor is controlled by the operator, while driving.


1982 Honda Goldwing. Adjust it while driving.

In summary, people are capable, get fucked.

Yeah, custom EFI cars you often have driver adjustable AFR as well. Especially in weirdo vehicles whose turbos are too large. High load high speed fuel maps are very fun to make on interstates BTW.

 

[White Devil]

I just want you all to know that I am having a very hard time pushing this turd out of my ass.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

I suggested we just use fetal pigs instead and no one would know the difference.

He said he would know and it would ruin his artistic vision. I swear he’s such a diva sometimes.

I mean for a stage inspired by Amy Schumer’s comedy I think the pigs work even better but what do I know?

Definitely a tough decision. Cause Schumer is fat but she's also about as funny as a dead baby. Hate to say it but I think I agree with Karl here.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

Yeah, custom EFI cars you often have driver adjustable AFR as well. Especially in weirdo vehicles whose turbos are too large. High load high speed fuel maps are very fun to make on interstates BTW.

That's awesome, but all I listed were stock from the factory configurations. I'm sure they aren't the only examples, but I know firsthand they exist.
And want to talk about fun? The reaction I get when I hand crank the Model T is great

 

[Blasterisk]

Definitely a tough decision. Cause Schumer is fat but she's also about as funny as a dead baby. Hate to say it but I think I agree with Karl here.

Don't knock dead babies like that. They've certainly lived a hard enough life.

 

[Puff]

That's awesome, but all I listed were stock from the factory configurations. I'm sure they aren't the only examples, but I know firsthand they exist.
And want to talk about fun? The reaction I get when I hand crank the Model T is great

I like my wrists, so I'm gonna stick with things that have electric start. And modern controls..... That thing would be hand throttle, right?
Yeah, benefits/drawbacks of EFI in production cars... It makes them kinda take care of themselves so the customer can't fuck it up, but it was the first step towards the average driver not knowing how to even change a tire. Made them into appliances instead of machinery.

 

[Fools Idol]

My point on the adjustable gas block issue is that reliability for a defensive or hunting gun is extremely important. Now an adjustable gas system can make a gun more reliable with a specific type of ammunition, but I believe that any benefits you could get from that is out weighed by the potential for a malfunction. I do think that some adjustment is fine, like say a fouled or suppressor setting, but the high level of granularity that people say they want is just asking for malfunctions.

At the end of the day the AR market is such that everyone is catered too. If you want an adjustable gas block then there are dozens of products (that are good products) that you can buy and the AR is a very easy to customise, so no one is stopping people from doing what they want with their rifle. But it's my opinion that some aspects of a device that is mission critical that are better left alone.

 

[Full Spectrum]

I was gonna buy a bajillion WWSDs for my legion of child soldiers

We've bought a 2020 and making a 2017 that was already mostly finished. We're also going to make a Paul Shanks 2010 clone.

Karl banned him for association with Full Spectrum and/or being full spectrum; Someone that has an axe to grind with Karl. It shouldn’t be surprising that he doesn’t want him in his clubhouse. I’m not convinced they’re not the same person.

Allow me to explain my purpose and why I and referencing Karl, then.

While I highly disapprove of being a cuck and so on, I am going to keep the interpersonal stuff to the farms, off youtube, and obviously off his discord. I made it a point of sticking to professionalism and the AR-15 as a subject in my videos. Funnily enough I criticized many others in my videos and also featured every public statement on the forward assist made by Aaron Cowan, but I am somehow a stalker for doing him a favor and presenting his thoughts on the forward assist as succinctly and coherently as possible. Karl, among many others, was giving bad advice. Had Rittenhouse been a redditor interested in firearms his understanding of the AR-15 it may have been different and he may have learned from Karl or others not to use the forward assist and would likely have died.

While people can and sometimes are wrong on exact technical topics where there should be less room for error, I have sympathy for those who are wrong and then admit so. Karl, even after having a prompt (Kyle) to do a little more deliberation than he previously had for the forward assist still gets it wrong about the use of the charging handle when commenting about what Kyle should do. Many other people who also have not or are incapable of further deliberation also repeat the mantra of "use the charging handle" in a clear enough defined circumstance where with a basic understanding of push feed, you would know that it would not work. Why do people repeat such a mantra and are incapable of further deliberation about the subject? It is because they defer their thinking to people they perceive as authoritative on the subject and when seeing so many "experts" in agreement the "use the charging handle" mantra seems like it could never be a bad choice. Karl is simply one of the easiest targets to demonstrate that something as simple as this is not receiving a good deliberation.

On something so small and relatively simple in scope we should (as the firearms community) easily be able to come to a near complete or fully so common understanding of such a trivial topic such as the forward assist and knowing implications of push feed,. However, statements made from people like Aaron Cowan, Ian, Karl, Clint Smith, Chris Bartocci, Ed Ezell, Stoner, and so on all contribute to a more modern day fuddlore rather than anything worthy of actually being learned and put into a common repertoire. Further, I see many of the same mistakes on AR-15s being repeated over and over without further inquiry from anyone and their results presented for everyone to see. What I mean by this is that the people who DO know better are often industry professionals that have this information gatekept or simply not presented since they're not the type to publish information to a small audience if they have no followers.

Why also haven't any of our experts madea video that went over the implications of Kyle's circumstance and that the forward assist WAS the fastest and most reliable method available to Kyle? They have the wherewithal to do this much more easily than I can and yet all we receive are just reposts of the Tucker Carlson interview, inconclusive videos, or nothing of much value to learn from - despite most everyone being able to clearly see that this was an even to learn from.

THAT is my axe to grind and the purpose of my channel. Karl is just a small part of a demonstrative model I use to get people to understand why the popular ideas about immediate action, push feed, and the forward assist are wrong. He happens to explain himself in public comments more than others so he is useful as a case example. I want to publish information that is not out there, like the forward assist being an empirically tested and overall good device, and much more so that people can make better informed choices about an AR-15's configuration. I want FS to be one of the channels I could have watched when getting into the AR-15 to save me however many hours of troubleshooting experience with cheap "just as good parts" to find out that some of the most important specifications for some AR-15 parts are never even published and what I should often be looking for.
The forward assist is just an easy place to start out at and be able to fully understand.

I’m sure that these people are organically interested in a specific 3 gun build from 12 years ago. I’m also sure it has nothing to do with our legal opponents having a deposition that didn’t go the way they wanted it to about 3 weeks ago. Paul Shanks is such a renowned competitor who wouldn’t want to rebuild a rifle he did with parts a decade out of date?

We know exactly the what the rifle is. I have no idea how the deposition has gone since I don't want to blow the free $30 credit PACER gives you checking in constantly when the first quarter of this year has been about jurisdictional motions, I'll check in later, but feel free to fill us in if you'd like. I've already stated that it appears to be a cash grab by GWACS from my earlier post, but in the interest of providing the farms some entertainment I fleshed out the GWACS argument for a little fun and stated that I don't believe those scenarios to be likely.

While we intend to use it to demonstrate our earlier point about a generalized and unspecific inspiration behind the WWSD rifle we're also not "cloners" of guns and so these will be our ironic clone guns akin to being something like a Somalia clone build that some people do with a little humor added in for ourselves. I also don't have any kind of rifle or any sort of likeness to a mk12, so this would fill that role as well.

 

[White Devil]

I didn't know Aaron Cowen had fuddy opinions on the FA, I've only seen some of his MRDS videos. I disagree with him on slaving your dot to the irons but otherwise found them informative.

 

[SinistralRifleman]

There’s a lot of things to learn from Rittenhouse, anything about the forward assist is much further down the list vs tactics, techniques, and procedures.

Had Rittenhouse used a better quality AR15, better magazines, and better ammunition his use of the Forward Assist very likely may not have been necessary. Had he used it more prior to this incident and done better maintenance it may not have been necessary.

Training for the firearm to be fired off the shoulder, held weakly, or fired from the supine position, would reveal if it can actually run under those conditions. Not all AR15s can.

Having watched most of the trial as it aired far more relevant lessons;
1) Showing up to an active conflict zone with only one person you know and trust is not a good idea.
2) leaving the private property you are guarding is is both tactically and legally unsound.
3) running around doing every “side quest” is tactically and legally unsound.
4) doing the same alone and unsupported is even more tactically unsound.
5) not having a clear leader of the security force lead to everyone there acting independently

All of the above lead to the situation where he was alone, unsupported, and targeted by hostile actors.

He did exercise better shoot/no-shoot decisions under stress and while having his bell rung than most cops would, so props for that.

He is very lucky he survived the situation, and he is also very fortunate he survived in court.

There are more things to consider from the incident and their preparation going into it, but these are the things I easily remember 6 months after watching the trial, the video evidence, and the testimony.

So if what you got out of the Rittenhouse case is that the forward assist saved his life, you’re missing the forest for the trees.

 

[WinchesterWhiskey]

Wtf? the racially ambigious brown crossdresser is rootin for putin? Oh no Benjamin Schiff AKA Oxide is not going to be happy as he is firmly on team Ukrainesister.

I know of a lot of Flandre's weird shit, and for some reason I should be surprised but all I can do is just glaze my eyes over this in the most, "Yeah that happened" kind of way. /k/ always sucked. It just did so in different ways.

 

[Full Spectrum]

There’s a lot of things to learn from Rittenhouse, anything about the forward assist is much further down the list vs tactics, techniques, and procedures.

Had Rittenhouse used a better quality AR15, better magazines, and better ammunition his use of the Forward Assist very likely may not have been necessary. Had he used it more prior to this incident and done better maintenance it may not have been necessary.

Training for the firearm to be fired off the shoulder, held weakly, or fired from the supine position, would reveal if it can actually run under those conditions. Not all AR15s can.
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So if what you got out of the Rittenhouse case is that the forward assist saved his life, you’re missing the forest for the trees.

I find it to be less interesting to discuss tactics and defer to more experienced people to do so since the nature of understanding tactics does not lend itself as well to a priori reasoning as mechanical principles. There is also the point of if I had talked about tactics that I would be contributing nothing new to the extant discourse, whereas I am contributing what none of the other guntubers or professionals are saying or are able to say about Rittenhouse and the forward assist. Of course there's plenty to learn about Rittenhouse beyond the forward assist, but even then it was quite clear to most people aware of his use of the device that there is also something to learn from here about it being used exactly within the original rationale that the Army had used to justify it in the first place. Furthermore, we had the forward assist revealed to us after the conclusion of the trial and all most of us had concluded our thoughts on the tactical or procedural things related to his actions more broadly; it was basically timed to be considered in isolation from the rest of the events.

You've made this nebulous point about firearm quality along with Ian saying the exact same thing. You mention quality of magazines, but Kyle used the PMAG both his rifle comes with and the WWSD does. Kyle had also not shot more than 120-150 rounds through his rifle since new which is well within the operational envelope for AR-15s for having fired less than a single combat load through it without a cleaning, I make these points in my second video. Do you know what about the M&P Sport II makes it less likely to feed a round from the same magazine than compared to a WWSD or other "quality" rifle? What would you say are the most variable factors for failure to feed a round where the bolt would be stopped 1 inch out of battery (or even failure to feed in general) excluding the brand/model of magazine as a factor (since it is also common to your WWSD)? Even if you defer to quality control/inspections, this concept must be able to demonstrable or otherwise be able to be observed/known since all brands/models are affected by quality control "slips." SOTAR makes a great point of this and has reiterated the fact that all brands will have QC issues at varying rates and varying at different times as well, so it doesn't seem like firm or sure ground to stand on with this point.

These are the tough questions we should be asking ourselves here and the answers we should be seeking to figure this out.

 

[SinistralRifleman]

This is the inherent problem in having a dialogue with you and why your posts are painful to read. You’ll focus on on sentence and expound on it for paragraph upon paragraph. If you’re not an attorney you sure as hell act like one, as this is the way they conduct themselves on lines of questioning. A one sentence statement turns into dozens of questions.

I misremembered the type of magazine he was using. Although depending on the generation of PMAG it could be an issue.

Did Kyle testify to performing any cleaning or maintence on the rifle? I don’t remember him doing so. If he didn’t all the rifle would have had on it is factory lube/preservative which often doesn’t do much or cooks off. It’s also not uncommon for guns to become more reliable as parts wear into each other and interferences are minimized by wear.

We’ve already decided the next time we do complete WWSD rifles the forward assist will be a drop down menu option. I don’t care if anyone chooses it or not. Im tired of arguing about this bullshit.

 

[Antarctica]

I think we should build and market the Karl Is A Gigantic Faggot rifle. It will just be a regular AR with a Forward Assist.

KIAGF-15

 

[SinistralRifleman]

KIAGF-15
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3/5 medium effort. magazine well should look like a vagina.