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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Does anyone have evidence that giving abortions to victims of rape results in better outcomes for them? I see it assumed a lot- "of course anyone would want an abortion if they were raped, it's just common sense!"- but no proof. And enough counter examples of women who chose otherwise, I'm curious.
 
Interesting. I’ve been hearing people say that removing Roe would then give precedent to removing the gay marriage decision from 2015. I knew it was a few states that the SCOTUS decided for, but not this many.
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this is not as entertaining as I hoped
I don't know what you mean by this, but if the sperg-outs are not as severe as people expected, I think leaking this now was a tactical error by the left. It could be that people are so exhausted by everything like gas and grocery prices, covid, etc. that getting whipped into a fury over something like this just isn't stretching to offline. It may have been better to let it come out closer to the election like it was supposed to. It's also been a cold spring so far as well.
 
I don't know what you mean by this, but if the sperg-outs are not as severe as people expected, I think leaking this now was a tactical error by the left. It could be that people are so exhausted by everything like gas and grocery prices, covid, etc. that getting whipped into a fury over something like this just isn't stretching to offline. It may have been better to let it come out closer to the election like it was supposed to. It's also been a cold spring so far as well.
This would have been more effective if it was leaked in September/October. That would be a shorter time before midterms.
 
Does anyone have evidence that giving abortions to victims of rape results in better outcomes for them? I see it assumed a lot- "of course anyone would want an abortion if they were raped, it's just common sense!"- but no proof. And enough counter examples of women who chose otherwise, I'm curious.
if you get raped and you go to the police and/or the hospital you get plan B. it's standard everywhere.

everyone knows this, how do you not know this. anyway the number of women seeking abortion for rape is infinitesmial partially for this reason.
 
They force things through the courts- like "bake a gay a cake"- because they know they don't have enough popular support to pass a law. That is exactly what they do and why they do it.
Even if they do have the support, they don't want their names attached to anything. Can't have controversial votes on your record if it never goes for a vote.

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if you get raped and you go to the police and/or the hospital you get plan B. it's standard everywhere.

everyone knows this, how do you not know this. anyway the number of women seeking abortion for rape is infinitesmial partially for this reason.
Plan B is not an abortion. It doesn't work if you're already pregnant (which you wouldn't be from the rape, a few hours afterwards- it takes a few days for the fertilized egg to implant). It only works to either delay ovulation or create a less suitable environment for implantation.

How do YOU not know THAT?

It's something that presumably could be declined, even at that, which leaves my question unanswered and still relevant even despite your lack of medical knowledge.
 
Plan B is not an abortion. It doesn't work if you're already pregnant (which you wouldn't be from the rape, a few hours afterwards- it takes a few days for the fertilized egg to implant). It only works to either delay ovulation or create a less suitable environment for implantation.

How do YOU not know THAT?

It's something that presumably could be declined, even at that, which leaves my question unanswered and still relevant even despite your lack of medical knowledge.
uh duh it's not an abortion. it prevents pregnancy. (well a zygote is obviously a person before implantation but let's just ignore that for the moment.) so there aren't gonna be very many pregnant rape victims to go get abortions of their rapebabies. so there's no way to figure out if outcomes are better for rape victims who kill their rapebabies vs ones who don't, there just aren't enough of them.
 
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uh duh it's not an abortion. it prevents pregnancy. so there aren't gonna be very many pregnant rape victims to go get abortions of their rapebabies.
And yet, there may be some. And there certainly were a few before they started handing this stuff out to everyone. Which leaves the possibility that someone has answered my question instead of just sneering that it doesn't matter.

I think you answered it in your own way- pregnancy due to rape isn't an issue so should never be mentioned in the abortion debate. Ok cool.
 
And yet, there may be some. And there certainly were a few before they started handing this stuff out to everyone. Which leaves the possibility that someone has answered my question instead of just sneering that it doesn't matter.

I think you answered it in your own way- pregnancy due to rape isn't an issue so should never be mentioned in the abortion debate. Ok cool.
you can't do meaningful social science with a teensy group so it doesn't matter if there's some, it's too small a group. and you certainly couldn't compare outcomes from ye olden days for reasons which I assume are obvious.

as long as plan B doesn't go anywhere rapebabies aren't relevant, yes, but I don't see how anyone can make a consistent argument that interfering with implantation is any different from sucking a baby out. then again who cares about consistent arguments.
 
you can't do meaningful social science with a teensy group so it doesn't matter if there's some, it's too small a group. and you certainly couldn't compare outcomes from ye olden days for reasons which I assume are obvious.

as long as plan B doesn't go anywhere rapebabies aren't relevant, yes, but I don't see how anyone can make a consistent argument that interfering with implantation is any different from sucking a baby out. then again who cares about consistent arguments.
Looks like Plan B was approved in 1998. You wouldn't have to go back to the dinosaurs to figure this one out.

Why so irritable? I've simply heard enough anecdotal stories of "I kept my rape baby and I'm glad I did" to wonder if the assumption that the victim is usually better off aborting is grounded in fact, or in mere emotional projection and assumption.
 
Looks like Plan B was approved in 1998. You wouldn't have to go back to the dinosaurs to figure this one out.

Why so irritable? I've simply heard enough anecdotal stories of "I kept my rape baby and I'm glad I did" to wonder if the assumption that the victim is usually better off aborting is grounded in fact, or in mere emotional projection and assumption.
I think everyone should keep their babies
 
I think everyone should keep their babies
I'm trying to help prove the point that it's possible.

A lot of pro-life people immediately cave on the rape exception thing. But I think that exception is premised on a lot of false ideas. For one, that simply deleting the evidence could undo the harm already done by a violent attack, which is more psychological than physical anyhow. For another, that human lives that come about in unsavory ways are less valuable than those that come about in good ways. That line of reasoning leads directly to eugenics.
 
I'm trying to help prove the point that it's possible.

A lot of pro-life people immediately cave on the rape exception thing. But I think that exception is premised on a lot of false ideas. For one, that simply deleting the evidence could undo the harm already done by a violent attack, which is more psychological than physical anyhow. For another, that human lives that come about in unsavory ways are less valuable than those that come about in good ways. That line of reasoning leads directly to eugenics.

clearly it's possible, it's the only thing that explains most of this site
 
This would have been more effective if it was leaked in September/October. That would be a shorter time before midterms.

Supreme Court decisions don't roll out through the year. This was expected in June.

The people this galvanized already are rabid blue voters. I doubt this ends up making much of an impact given the economy shitting itself and Biden displacing Carter as the stagflation king.
 
I'm trying to help prove the point that it's possible.

A lot of pro-life people immediately cave on the rape exception thing. But I think that exception is premised on a lot of false ideas. For one, that simply deleting the evidence could undo the harm already done by a violent attack, which is more psychological than physical anyhow. For another, that human lives that come about in unsavory ways are less valuable than those that come about in good ways. That line of reasoning leads directly to eugenics.

No, I wouldn't want to keep my rapist's child to term. Jesus Christ, just shut the fuck up already. I mean this isn't a mainstream Republican talking point anywhere that raped women should be forced to have their rapist's children. But this is the internet where everyone is an edgy extremist contrarian asshole, so I guess we have to litigate things that all sane people agree on, because the world has to be black and white completely.

Also a lot of these cases will be underaged children, some raped by by blood relatives, so yeah it's even more fucked up we have to go there, and you have to tell us why literal kids have to have their lives ruined over being abused because some dudes on the intenret who will never experience either sexual assault or pregnancy can't conceptualize what that would be like.
 
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Interesting. I’ve been hearing people say that removing Roe would then give precedent to removing the gay marriage decision from 2015. I knew it was a few states that the SCOTUS decided for, but not this many.
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It doesn't give precedent besides the fact that deep down they know that the gay marriage ruling was judicial activism and there was no violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. The passage from Alito's opinion that they are sharing is listing court cases that pro-abortion people have cited to defend their position; he's not listing cases that he thinks should be overturned. Neil Gorsuch believes that the Civil Rights Act's authors were trying to protect trans and gay rights when they banned discrimination on the basis of sex and John Roberts would never vote for anything that might result in him being uninvited from the next DC cocktail party. As long as those two remain on the court, there is a near zero chance that gay marriage is returned to the states.
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After observing lefty rage over roe v wade, they're scared that it'll extend to contraceptives, gay marriage, etc. However, they don't seem to realize that it's incredibly easy to make something a right. Pass a law to make it a right or declare an EO. Seemingly most of the major social victories of the left have been through SCOTUS rulings that bypassed the legislative and executive branches.
The full context around the quote that leftists are saying will result in the repeal of gay marriage (the part in bold is what the viral tweet is showing):
Nor does the right to obtain an abortion have a sound basis in precedent. Casey relied on cases involving the right to marry a person of a different race, Loving v. Virginia, 388 U. S. 1 (1967); the right to marry while in prison, Turner v. Safley, 482 U. S. 78 (1987); the right to obtain contraceptives, Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U. S. 479 (1965), Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U. S. 438 (1972), Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U. S. 678 (1977); the right to reside with relatives, Moore v. East Cleveland, 431 U. S. 494 (1977); the right to make decisions about the education of one's children, Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 268 U. S. 510 (1925), Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U. S. 390 (1928 ); the right not to be sterilized without consent, Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U. S. 535 (1942); and the right in certain circumstances not to undergo involuntary surgery, forced administration of drugs, or other substantially similar procedures, Winston v. Lee, 470 U. S. 753 (1985), Washington v. Harper, 494 U. S. 210 (1990), Rochin v. California, 342 U. S. 165 (1952). Respondents and the Solicitor General also rely on post-Casey decisions like Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U. S. 558 (2003) (right to engage in private, consensual sexual acts), and Obergefell v. Hodges, 576 U. S. 644 (2015) (right to marry a person of the same sex). See Brief for Respondents 18; Brief for United States as Amicus Curiae 23—24.

These attempts to justify abortion through appeals to a broader right to autonomy and to define one's "concept of existence" prove too much. Casey, 505 U. S., at 851. Those criteria, at a high level of generality, could license fundamental rights to illicit drug use, prostitution, and the like. See Compassion in Dying v. Washington, 85 F. 3d 1440, 1444 (CA9 1996) (O'Scannlain, J., dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc). None of these rights has any claim to being deeply rooted in history. Id., at 1440, 1445. What sharply distinguishes the abortion right from the rights recognized in the cases on which Roe and Casey rely is something that both those decisions acknowledged: Abortion destroys what those decisions call "potential life" and what the law at issue in this case regards as the life of an "unborn human being." See Roe, 410 U. S., at 159 (abortion is "inherently different'); Casey, 505 U. S., at 852 (abortion is "a unique ad'). None of the other decisions cited by Roe and Casey involved the critical moral question posed by abortion. They are therefore inapposite. They do not support the right to obtain an abortion, and by the same token, our conclusion that the Constitution does not confer such a right does not undermine them in any way.
Alito also says the exact opposite of what the tweet claims:
And to ensure that our decision is not misunderstood or mischaracterized, we emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right. Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.
 
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