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Daisy was fine in TFA. The issue is the character was written poorly and never went anywhere interesting. So it was just more of the same and became uninteresting.

RLM never have understood Star Wars. I think their understanding is similar to the "people" who made the dumb sequels. They never knew or cared about everything outside of the original trilogy. That is all they see Star Wars as.

Star Wars worked in a couple of ways. It was a a good set of films set in a much bigger universe. There is a distinction between people who just enjoyed the films for just what they were. Versus those that enjoyed the films but saw the bigger universe and were curious about it.
I think she (and Rey the character) were better in Rise of Skywalker as well. But anything positive about that movie kind of gets drowned out by all the rest.
 
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Daisy was fine in TFA.
What you call "fine", I call cringe. The woman has zero range as an actress--she has two modes: dead-space blank staring, or making the face of an affronted chimpanzee at the zoo.

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I think she (and Rey the character) were better in Rise of Skywalker as well. But anything positive about that movie kind of gets drowned out by all the rest.

To be honest I barely remember that film.

My relationship with Rey is that I was interested in seeing where the character went. Thought they did a good job with her in TFA. I thought at the time they did a good enough job of setting the groundwork for a new trilogy. Then, unfortunately, it went nowhere good in the next film and I hated it. I then sperged out online for months about how awful that film was.

So by the time TROS came out I hadn't rewatched any of the sequels since seeing TLJ. It completely severed my relationship between the sequels actually being Star Wars and I honestly didn't care about them at all. Whatever emotional connection TFA fed off of and gave me was completely gone.

So going into TROS, I had no expectations. I had no love or emotion with the films. I could just sit back and watch it as a dumb action movie. I noticed many flaws and issues. Yet they didn't dwell with me. I was entertained. No need to complain or pick it apart the way I did with TLJ. It was just a disposable action film that entertained me for a few hours. I left the cinema in a good mood, maybe some eye roll and then promptly forget about it.

I have yet to revisit, in part because I still love Star Wars. I still have an emotional connection to it. And I don't know if I can watch the sequels without being hurt by them again. I know TFA will fall flat but be an okay rewatch. I know TLJ will annoy me and / or be boring. I actually did try and rewatch it. I lasted 40 minutes. My mind was hyper-focused on how every line of dialogue was bad and contradicted everything. I could get zero enjoyment.

I don't know how TROS will go. If that emotional separation would still exist. Where it will just be some dumb film doing Star Wars stuff with enough entertainment and excitement to have a good time. Or if it will just suck balls completely and annoy me.

I don't know if I'd be better off trying to rewatch the entire sequel trilogy. If I should just do TROS. Or if I should just do TFA and then TROS. Or just go watch SOLO and be like, "that's actually pretty decent." Or go watch Rogue One and be surprised how much I have forgotten of the film and enjoy it again based on that.
 
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To be honest I barely remember that film.

My relationship with Rey is that I was interested in seeing where the character went. Thought they did a good job with her in TFA. I thought at the time they did a good enough job of setting the groundwork for a new trilogy. Then, unfortunately, it went nowhere good in the next film and I hated it. I then sperged out online for months about how awful that film was.

So by the time TROS came out I hadn't rewatched any of the sequels since seeing TLJ. It completely severed my relationship between the sequels actually being Star Wars and I honestly didn't care about them at all. Whatever emotional connection TFA fed off of and gave me was completely gone.

So going into TROS, I had no expectations. I had no love or emotion with the films. I could just sit back and watch it as a dumb action movie. I noticed many flaws and issues. Yet they didn't dwell with me. I was entertained. No need to complain or pick it apart the way I did with TLJ. It was just a disposable action film that entertained me for a few hours. I left the cinema in a good mood, maybe some eye roll and then promptly forget about it.

I have yet to revisit, in part because I still love Star Wars. I still have an emotional connection to it. And I don't know if I can watch the sequels without being hurt by them again. I know TFA will fall flat but be an okay rewatch. I know TLJ will annoy me and / or be boring. I actually did try and rewatch it. I lasted 40 minutes. My mind was hyper-focused on how every line of dialogue was bad and contradicted everything. I could get zero enjoyment.

I don't know how TROS will go. If that emotional separation would still exist. Where it will just be some dumb film doing Star Wars stuff with enough entertainment and excitement to have a good time. Or if it will just suck balls completely and annoy me.

I don't know if I'd be better off trying to rewatch the entire sequel trilogy. If I should just do TROS. Or if I should just do TFA and then TROS. Or just go watch SOLO and be like, "that's actually pretty decent." Or go watch Rogue One and be surprised how much I have forgotten of the film and enjoy it again based on that.
lol you wrote that much word about mouse wars
 
I was interested in seeing where the character went. Thought they did a good job with her in TFA. I thought at the time they did a good enough job of setting the groundwork for a new trilogy.
Honestly I was interested in seeing where Rey went after TFA too. In retrospect I really shouldn't have because she's a horrible character that was never interesting. She has literally no personality traits other than being an inherently good person and good at everything and the only truly compelling thing about her was her backstory, which is a telltale sign of a poorly realized character.

Anakin is more than just a messiah figure that was turned into Darth Vader. Luke is more than just the son of Darth Vader. Rey is only interesting if you gave a shit about her moronic backstory and gave enough of a shit to make up headcanons that never would have truly explained the bullshit Mary Sue superpowers she had in TFA. Pro tip: the real answer is bad writing.

It took them 3 movies to explain something that should have took half a movie cuz mystery boxes lmao
 
I am  almost willing to bet Furloni had watched only the opening of one of these and thought it would be great to put into his movie.

"Ears of the wolf! The wolf! The wolf! The wolf...!

... and a tail that attaches to my belt. Now I'm all set for Furcon!"

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RLM never have understood Star Wars. I think their understanding is similar to the "people" who made the dumb sequels. They never knew or cared about everything outside of the original trilogy. That is all they see Star Wars as.

Star Wars worked in a couple of ways. It was a a good set of films set in a much bigger universe. There is a distinction between people who just enjoyed the films for just what they were. Versus those that enjoyed the films but saw the bigger universe and were curious about it.

I don't really want to be antagonistic here but I read this and the first thing I think is "tell me you're butthurt about prequel criticism without telling me you're butthurt about prequel criticism."

I wonder how much overlap there is between people who think the prequels were fine and people who thought Rey in TFA was intriguing.
 
I wonder how much overlap there is between people who think the prequels were fine and people who thought Rey in TFA was intriguing.
I’ve met both types. Mostly people in the 20s who grew up with (and are still fond of) the Prequels tended to dislike the Rey trilogy. Then theres the younger millennials (early 30s) who are consoomer Star Wars Fanboys who unironically love everything in the franchise.

But that’s just people that I know.
 
I don't know if I'd be better off trying to rewatch the entire sequel trilogy. If I should just do TROS. Or if I should just do TFA and then TROS. Or just go watch SOLO and be like, "that's actually pretty decent." Or go watch Rogue One and be surprised how much I have forgotten of the film and enjoy it again based on that.
You should get Empire at War, download a good mod for it like Phoenix Rising or Thrawn's Revenge, and get your Star Wars fix from that.
 
Daisy is Clearance Aisle Keira Knightley but she's cute and has a great ass. She is not the problem with the Sequel trilogy.

It took them 3 movies to explain something that should have took half a movie cuz mystery boxes lmao
Seems to be a thing with modern entertainment. MCU Spider-Man took three movies just to get to the point Tobey Maguire's version was at by the end of his first act, and most series are 90-minute plotlines stretched out over ten episodes.
 
RLM never have understood Star Wars. I think their understanding is similar to the "people" who made the dumb sequels. They never knew or cared about everything outside of the original trilogy. That is all they see Star Wars as.

Star Wars worked in a couple of ways. It was a a good set of films set in a much bigger universe. There is a distinction between people who just enjoyed the films for just what they were. Versus those that enjoyed the films but saw the bigger universe and were curious about it.

There was no "bigger universe." There were just realistic-looking props and little throwaway dialogue lines to set the stage in a movie. A percentage of fans just never got tired of reading some B-tier pulp fiction writer make up a new story about a different prop or throwaway line, while most people never cared because Star Wars never made the jump from "fake" to "real" in their minds.
 
I’ve met both types. Mostly people in the 20s who grew up with (and are still fond of) the Prequels tended to dislike the Rey trilogy. Then theres the younger millennials (early 30s) who are consoomer Star Wars Fanboys who unironically love everything in the franchise.

But that’s just people that I know.
The real test is if little kids growing up now are going to obsess over the sequels the same way people who grew up with the prequels do now. I feel like there will be a "small minority" who will defend the DT with their lives due to childhood nostalgia of watching them as little kids even if we knew they were bad at the time and they can't hide behind anything like the worldbuilding being good.

That, and people will defend literally anything on the internet.
There was no "bigger universe." There were just realistic-looking props and little throwaway dialogue lines to set the stage in a movie. A percentage of fans just never got tired of reading some B-tier pulp fiction writer make up a new story about a different prop or throwaway line, while most people never cared because Star Wars never made the jump from "fake" to "real" in their minds.
Something I've noticed is whether people think the galaxy of Star Wars is small or not depends on if they know anything about/care about the content outside of the movies like the EU. If they do then they'll argue that it does have a lot more to it and a larger universe. If they're movie only fans or OT purists then they won't, because the movies are all that exist to them.
 
Something I've noticed is whether people think the galaxy of Star Wars is small or not depends on if they know anything about/care about the content outside of the movies like the EU. If they do then they'll argue that it does have a lot more to it and a larger universe. If they're movie only fans or OT purists then they won't, because the movies are all that exist to them.

The galaxy of Star Wars doesn't exist.
 
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Anyways in the middle of my Kotor 2 playthrough at the moment. The dialogue of the game never disappoints and there's a clear jump in quality compared to Kotor 1. Not like Kotor 1 is bad in that regard but it's still noticeable. Same with the Dark Side choices and dialogue, I'd have to play 1 again to be sure but I do remember the choices feeling sillier and more cartoonish. Peragus is an underrated starting level, although it's not exactly the most fun level to play gameplay wise, the story and atmosphere is top-notch. It's fun piecing together what happened and going through all the old holo-logs. Telos also has a lot going on and never feels as annoying as parts of Taris, though like I mentioned earlier the mercenary camp fight can be a pain.

Also the game is not even remotely balanced at all around doing a blaster build early game. It's much more difficult than going Guardian/Melee or even going a force heavy build. If you're playing on Difficult you're basically required to pump yourself with shields and stimulants to have a chance at some of the bigger fights. There's a ton of good changes to the game though from 1, such as better crafting, more item variety, better item drops, more build variety, more feats, better access to the implant slot, etc.

If you're going light side you're basically blackmailed into doing a dark side thing though when it comes to Opo Chano and getting his droid credentials. Who the hell is going to fork over 2500 credits early game for that? Also I'm disappointed that even after getting the Czerka files and the mercenary attack on the Ithorian compound that when you go back to Telos Station Jana Lorso is still at her desk in the Czerka compound like normal. No additional dialogue or anything. Going to Dantooine for my first planet, it's obviously where the game wants you to go first narratively speaking and it makes the most sense. Although truthfully it's best to go to Nar Shaddaa first because if you go too late you cant get enough influence with Mira to train her as a jedi, or get enough influence with GO-TO to know everything about him. The problem though is that Nar Shaddaa is hell to play at low levels, it is actively unfun and way more satisfying to go through later.
 
In my opinion, Mark and Hayden easily outmatch Daisy, but Mark has the edge over Hayden because he had better dialogue and directing to work with. Hayden, to me, has more raw emotion and anger compared to Mark when he’s allowed to utilize his talents.

Daisy is just bland and wooden from start to finish. The character is already a cliche Mary Sue and Daisy doesn’t seem to be interested in giving some depth to Rey Rey.
 
Although truthfully it's best to go to Nar Shaddaa first because if you go too late you cant get enough influence with Mira to train her as a jedi, or get enough influence with GO-TO to know everything about him. The problem though is that Nar Shaddaa is hell to play at low levels, it is actively unfun and way more satisfying to go through later.
I wouldn't say can't, BUT you do have to know specific influence points to get progress.

Mira has two specific points on Dxun
-Take to the Zhug fight and tell her she's the best bounty hunter.
-Use a permacrete charge to blow up a Mandalorian cache near the south entrance. It's not the one that Mandalore tells you to blow up. Unfortunately, there are only two permacrete charges in the entire game. One is in Korriban that you can use to blow old Uthar Winn's room (where Bastilla's holocron can be found) and the other is on the body of the droid technician on Dantooine. If you kill this Sullustan, you can't blackmail him into joining the militia and obviously killing him is a dark side action.

GO-TO
-In his dialogue options, tell him that you're grateful for how useful he is after he tells you about his body's capabilities (one time only).
-On Onderon, have him reprogram the droid that sells droid parts.
-Not really an influence point, but if you bring him to one of the bounty hunter fights on Onderon, he will tell the T'wilek hunter that the bounty's called off and you can avoid the fight. I don't recommend doing this as you also miss out on getting his Starport Visa.

As for planet order in general, I like to play Dantooine first up until the beginning of the Battle for Khoonda and then go to a different planet. Nar Shadda's point of no return is set on some weird triggers that are hard to play around.
1. You have to go to the refugee sector. Fucking around in there in any way really sets off the Exchange's radar.
2. You have to kill the Red Eclipse guys that board your ship. Note that if you've already seen the scene where the Trandoshans threaten the Toydarian, your party is locked until you liberate your ship.

The good news is that after you get rid of the Red Eclipse guys, you can leave the planet (unless you sold T3-M4) and come back to Nar Shadda at a later time where you're at a higher level. Which I would recommend because the game forces you to use Atton as the party leader and even force T3 and Mira/Hanharr into your party.

So, I generally go Dantooine --> Nar Shadda --> Korriban --> Either Dantooine or Nar Shadda depending on alignment --> Onderon
 
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