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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Hate to inform you Hulkster but Biden updated the language packs yesterday - you are in fact arguing to abort a child, not a fetus, his words, not mine.

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I know you Republicans hang on the words of whatever your boomer overlords like Donald Trump say and don't sway from him at all, but I don't do the same with Biden.

Just because people are having sex doesn't mean you religious zealots have to punish them
 
I know you Republicans hang on the words of whatever your boomer overlords like Donald Trump say and don't sway from him at all, but I don't do the same with Biden.

Just because people are having sex doesn't mean you religious zealots have to punish them
It's not about whether you or I hang on his words dude it's about the fact that he's at the front of the issue and he, for once, said something true (though massively uncomfortable for leftists). Was almost refreshing before I remembered the horror that even though he recognizes they're children he's still saying he supports the right of irresponsible people to murder them for convenience.

You know I hate the bastard with a burning passion, but unfortunately, his words do have some level of meaning as a simple result of him being the "most powerful man on Earth" and one of the most visible, and in that few seconds of speaking he did more damage to the pro-babykilling argument than any Dem could have wanted, because now the terminology is openly changed.
 
The rape and incest thing is a compromise that understands the mother might be traumatized by the child.
denying abortion in case of rape is just absurd. it would basically mean forcing the woman to endure the rape for 9 months straight. complete insanity.
also, even if you are a callous cynic and ignore this injustice and suffering, it would still be a terrible decision, because it would basically be an endorsement of rape as a mating strategy, it would have extremely fucked up implications for society going forward.
 
Just because people are having sex doesn't mean you religious zealots have to punish them
But is it really responsible to tell women to use abortion as birth control and ending up sterilizing them rather than safer options like an iud? There's plenty of birth control in the market for both genders. And sex is meant for repopulation, always has been always will be. If you are irresponsible enough to not take percaution before, during or after sex then you shouldn't really be fucking. It's not rocket science.
 
don't waste your breath, they don't care. it's all completely abstract to them and they enjoy seeing you in pain.

other women: do not participate in threads like this for anything but lulz, these men are unreachable
I think you read that wrong. It's pure autismo, not sadism.
A theory:

The leak was carried out by this woman the internet sleuths have identified. She is deeply involved in abortion activism and has been for years. She verbally leaked the pending outcome to her activist insider friends. They then conspired together to plan for and execute the leak and associated protests.

It wouldn't be the first time such a thing occurred.

The Jewish rally for abortion justice is a nothingburger after all. They started advertising it in April.

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Possibly because the leaker (Deutsch, likely) had this shared with a network of activists before the Politico article came out. I don't think we can say either way.
I was making fun of his awkward choice of verbiage, autismo.

I didn't want to respond to this again, but I did notice "IkiariRapeMan" with the subtitle of "I like rape" was literally going around this thread and others giving negative internet stickers to people criticizing rape including rape of children. I'm sure you think that's a hilarious forum gimmick, but since you're autistic, maybe you mean that literally. I hope you do not have access to children, in which case turn yourself in or put a gun in your mouth, you disgusting piece of shit.
I felt for you up to this point, but...

LOL, calm down.

One of the best things about this site is making fun of people who are MATI. Relish it. Make the incels MATI, because right now, they are in the driver's seat with you.
 
also, even if you are a callous cynic and ignore this injustice and suffering, it would still be a terrible decision, because it would basically be an endorsement of rape as a mating strategy, it would have extremely fucked up implications for society going forward.
I highly doubt that anything would come of it.
 
Aww, poor little QAnon believing tranny is upset. Sorry you'll never be a mother, although it's for the best considering you're a sick fuck. Shouldn't you be making up more stories about your imaginary black friends and waiting for more Q drops? In the words of your fellow GOP boomers, you'll never be a real woman.


I answered that one a dozen times on your chimpout on my profile. You still haven't answered my question about why you, being European, love to defend nazis
Did someone update the HHH bot? I see Q, trannies and motherhood were added while the GOP/Republican quotes keep repeating.
 
But is it really responsible to tell women to use abortion as birth control and ending up sterilizing them rather than safer options like an iud? There's plenty of birth control in the market for both genders. And sex is meant for repopulation, always has been always will be. If you are irresponsible enough to not take percaution before, during or after sex then you shouldn't really be fucking. It's not rocket science.
See, it's things like this that show you don't know shit about abortion or women's health. No woman is going to use abortion as birth control. It's an invasive procedure. It is used as a last resort. No woman, except really stupid and/or insane ones, are going to use abortion as birth control.

The whole thing is even worse when a lot of your fellow evangelicals want to ban birth control, too.

Did someone update the HHH bot? I see Q, trannies and motherhood were added while the GOP/Republican quotes keep repeating.
Lol you call me a pedo because I am not a Republican who loves Donald Trump with all my heart, mind and body like you do. But no, you're totally not a QTard.

Anyway, like I said, you'll never be a real woman and I know you want to ban abortions because you're jealous of them. BTW still waiting for that video of you paying random black people to shit talk me
 
"Anyone who disagrees with me or the completely unfunny emotionally retarded way I conduct myself on shitpost forum kiwifarms must be pro child rape" is not a sane mode of thought.
>says I LIKE RAPE to everyone who sees his posts on kiwi farms
>has anime avatar and likes hentai, some of them with questionable ages
>gives negative internet stickers to people criticizing rape including rape of kids
>gets pointed out after trying to draw me back into conversation because he's autistic and doesn't comprehend the non-literal way people talk
>no it's Just a joke, bro! I don't like rape or kids,can't you see the problem is you're a histronic bitch (like this counters anything I said about you)

Stop thinking about raping children, you faggot piece of shit.
 
Got news for you, you NPC faggot: Women have been THIRD CLASS since you POS decided FOR US that men get to be in our bathrooms, changing rooms, sports competitions, and other spaces.
Those aren't men, they're women with feminine penises. Erect penises dripping precum, ready to explode at the slightest stimulation, but feminine nonetheless.

I know but I don’t think it’s enough.
SNAP, Medicaid, CHIP, Section 8, child care vouchers, Head Start, school breakfast, and school lunch also exist. Crisis pregnancy centers exist and will give away all kinds of stuff and provide parenting classes. I don't know if that's the kind of help you were thinking of.
 
"Anyone who disagrees with me or the completely unfunny emotionally retarded way I conduct myself on shitpost forum kiwifarms must be pro child rape" is not a sane mode of thought.
A lot of A&Hers are legit Qtards who think anyone who isn't a Republican is a pedo
 
Since when is sex not about babies? Sex is for procreation. Deal with it.
Sex is for a lot of stuff. Human sex is actually really fucking complex and serves more than just reproduction, it's an interesting subject. I don't want to write an essay on the subject, although I could, but I'll surmise by pointing out some oddities about human sex.
  1. We enjoy it a lot - this is not common at all, most animals just feel a compulsion to do it and get it done. This pleasure mechanism indicates humans have an even stronger benefit for sex than other animals
  2. We have long lasting sex - Again most animals nut and leave, this ties back into point 1
  3. Our women have a weirdly hard time getting pregnant - This serves a multi-faceted function. It ensures women tend to get pregnant with repeated partners, aka being in a relationship, so it promotes bonding. Also ironically it protects against getting pregnant too much with a repeated partner, so women don't pop out 20 babies in one lifetime. The balancing of not having too many kids while maintaining active an active sex drive implies we both need to be having sex but not also consistently reproducing. Otherwise we'd have a heat cycle like other mammals do to maintain this balance. This also protects from rape/one night stand pregnancies.
  4. We have negative side effects from not getting laid, like depression - Again like point 1 this indicates we get more from sex than just reproduction
  5. Pregnant women are horny - Very few animals will have sex while gestating. Our women keep fucking while pregnant for 3 primary reasons. Psychological needs of the male, to keep the male from fucking other women, reinforcing pair bonding
Babies are a main function of sex, but we're horny fuckers for a reason. If it was all about babies our sexual behavior would be wildly different.
 
denying abortion in case of rape is just absurd. it would basically mean forcing the woman to endure the rape for 9 months straight. complete insanity.
also, even if you are a callous cynic and ignore this injustice and suffering, it would still be a terrible decision, because it would basically be an endorsement of rape as a mating strategy, it would have extremely fucked up implications for society going forward.
There are cases where women have raised the kid. They see it solely as there’s, not the rapists. A few of the kids know.
 
Sex is for a lot of stuff. Human sex is actually really fucking complex and serves more than just reproduction, it's an interesting subject. I don't want to write an essay on the subject, although I could, but I'll surmise by pointing out some oddities about human sex.
  1. We enjoy it a lot - this is not common at all, most animals just feel a compulsion to do it and get it done. This pleasure mechanism indicates humans have an even stronger benefit for sex than other animals
  2. We have long lasting sex - Again most animals nut and leave, this ties back into point 1
  3. Our women have a weirdly hard time getting pregnant - This serves a multi-faceted function. It ensures women tend to get pregnant with repeated partners, aka being in a relationship, so it promotes bonding. Also ironically it protects against getting pregnant too much with a repeated partner, so women don't pop out 20 babies in one lifetime. The balancing of not having too many kids while maintaining active an active sex drive implies we both need to be having sex but not also consistently reproducing. Otherwise we'd have a heat cycle like other mammals do to maintain this balance. This also protects from rape/one night stand pregnancies.
  4. We have negative side effects from not getting laid, like depression - Again like point 1 this indicates we get more from sex than just reproduction
  5. Pregnant women are horny - Very few animals will have sex while gestating. Our women keep fucking while pregnant for 3 primary reasons. Psychological needs of the male, to keep the male from fucking other women, reinforcing pair bonding
Babies are a main function of sex, but we're horny fuckers for a reason. If it was all about babies our sexual behavior would be wildly different.
it is all about babies. the differences are a result of human babies being very different from most animal babies in that they are born completely helpless and remain utterly dependant on their mother for an extremely long time. this made long term family stability mandatory for survival throughout most of human history, so human sexuality evolved in a way that supports and incentivizes long term pair bonding.
 
Amazing how much the idea of self responsibility can cause leftist to shriek in pain and rage as though someone threw acid on them
So do you also want to ban heart operations and lipsuction then? How about lung and throat cancer treatment? If we want to force people into personal responsibility, let them suffer for their life choices
 
See, it's things like this that show you don't know shit about abortion or women's health. No woman is going to use abortion as birth control. It's an invasive procedure.
If it isn't then pp shouldn't really push abortion the most out of the other brith control methods.

The whole thing is even worse when a lot of your fellow evangelicals want to ban birth control, too.
I'm not a Christian or any religion, but I do believe in myself. not every prolifer is a evangelical.

So do you also want to ban heart operations and lipsuction then? How about lung and throat cancer treatment?
We already tax cigarette smokers dude.
 
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