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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Do you live in some weirdo jurisdiction where the government can force you at gunpoint to take care of your elderly parents?

No?

Then I don't give a fuck that you're miserable caring for them. You chose that. You could walk away. If they're horrible abusive cunts who you wish were dead, you're only being a sucker standing around caring for them when no one is forcing you to do that.

You could care for them and shut up about how bad you hate them and everyone would think you're a decent sort. Or you could walk away from them and most people would never know. This middle position of hating them and whining like someone is forcing you to hang around just shows you are weak.

The kind of person who relies on murder to get out of bad situations she got herself into, frankly.

I see dark humour is lost in translation. Never mind.

I care for my elderly grandmother as best as the law and the extended family allow me. It was both my wish and hers that God would release her before her dementia became as bad as it is now. Her children will not consent to place her in a facility where she could be cared for, and I don’t have legal power to override that. I do what the law allows me to do, mainly by staying in continual contact with social work and her doctors. She has a slow and painful cancer now. It has a knock on effect on her dementia. I go and sit with her at nights once the children and asleep and my chores are over. She doesn’t know where she is. She cries and cries for her parents. There is no end in sight for her and no prospect of improvement. I care for her because it is the right thing to do. I wish she didn’t suffer like this.

My parents are not yet elderly. I am sure they are capable of making whatever arrangements they need to make when they need them. If they aren’t, then yes, I will make them, because that is the right thing to do. I take my religious faith seriously. I struggle with it often - what Catholic who is truly trying to live as the Lord calls us to do doesn’t - but I do as I know the Lord wants me to do. The Gospel teaches us it is easy to be kind to our friends. It is not easy to be kind to those who hurt us, but it is what we are called to do. It is not what the Lord wants from me to walk away from my responsibilities just because they are difficult, or because I struggle with forgiveness. I have to find the grace within myself to give what needs to be given.

I have absolutely no idea what your mention of murder is supposed to mean. If this is some insinuation about abortion, I have been pregnant four times and on each occasion people close to me have attempted to coerce me into having an abortion. I have never done so. I don’t have the capacity to kill my children. Unluckily my first boyfriend did when he found out I had moved away to continue my pregnancy, and his response to impending fatherhood was to hospitalise me, after which I lost my baby.

She would be nineteen this year. I think of her often. No one else misses her, but I do. Well meaning people tell me it was for the best that I miscarried. I don’t think of it that way. I love my children more than I knew it was possible to love anything, and one of them will always be missing. I would have done the best I could for her. I loved her from the moment I knew she existed. I thought I was doing the best thing by letting my then ex know that he could be in her life, if she wanted. I thought she had a right to know her father. I thought he had that right. It was a terrible misjudgment, and I have to carry the guilt that my decision got her killed. I can never undo that. I don’t have a right to judge other people; my mistakes have been devastating.

I am not a bad person, but I come from a bad place. I do my best every day to be the best person I can be. I think I am doing alright. Sometimes it’s hard and I shriek into the internet void for five minutes, then I put myself back together and go back to doing my best.
 
I see dark humour is lost in translation. Never mind.

I care for my elderly grandmother as best as the law and the extended family allow me. It was both my wish and hers that God would release her before her dementia became as bad as it is now. Her children will not consent to place her in a facility where she could be cared for, and I don’t have legal power to override that. I do what the law allows me to do, mainly by staying in continual contact with social work and her doctors. She has a slow and painful cancer now. It has a knock on effect on her dementia. I go and sit with her at nights once the children and asleep and my chores are over. She doesn’t know where she is. She cries and cries for her parents. There is no end in sight for her and no prospect of improvement. I care for her because it is the right thing to do. I wish she didn’t suffer like this.

My parents are not yet elderly. I am sure they are capable of making whatever arrangements they need to make when they need them. If they aren’t, then yes, I will make them, because that is the right thing to do. I take my religious faith seriously. I struggle with it often - what Catholic who is truly trying to live as the Lord calls us to do doesn’t - but I do as I know the Lord wants me to do. The Gospel teaches us it is easy to be kind to our friends. It is not easy to be kind to those who hurt us, but it is what we are called to do. It is not what the Lord wants from me to walk away from my responsibilities just because they are difficult, or because I struggle with forgiveness. I have to find the grace within myself to give what needs to be given.

I have absolutely no idea what your mention of murder is supposed to mean. If this is some insinuation about abortion, I have been pregnant four times and on each occasion people close to me have attempted to coerce me into having an abortion. I have never done so. I don’t have the capacity to kill my children. Unluckily my first boyfriend did when he found out I had moved away to continue my pregnancy, and his response to impending fatherhood was to hospitalise me, after which I lost my baby.

She would be nineteen this year. I think of her often. No one else misses her, but I do. Well meaning people tell me it was for the best that I miscarried. I don’t think of it that way. I love my children more than I knew it was possible to love anything, and one of them will always be missing. I would have done the best I could for her. I loved her from the moment I knew she existed. I thought I was doing the best thing by letting my then ex know that he could be in her life, if she wanted. I thought she had a right to know her father. I thought he had that right. It was a terrible misjudgment, and I have to carry the guilt that my decision got her killed. I can never undo that. I don’t have a right to judge other people; my mistakes have been devastating.

I am not a bad person, but I come from a bad place. I do my best every day to be the best person I can be. I think I am doing alright. Sometimes it’s hard and I shriek into the internet void for five minutes, then I put myself back together and go back to doing my best.
Honestly the rambling and powerleveling make it hard to get what your point is. Good luck to you with your various endeavors I guess.
 
The reason humans pair bond- instead of the fuck and run pattern more common among animals- is because our infants are born exceptionally immature and have a long period of high needs during which the mother must devote most of her attention to the child's survival. The male's role is to make sure they have what they need to survive and he's more motivated to do this if he cares about them.

Just because we also mess up sometimes, because clown world is broken and stupid, etc, doesn't mean that isn't how it is supposed to work and how without interference, it usually does work. You don't see many human societies where some form of marriage is not the norm.

Even lower animals have versions of this, but their infants are less needy and for a shorter period of time. For instance you will see pairs of Canada geese out together, she's eating from the salad bar while he threatens to murder anyone who looks at her.
this is a fairy tale. people believe this because they have a psychologial need to. there's no reason to believe that humans pairbond in this way, we're not geese.
 
this is a fairy tale. people believe this because they have a psychologial need to. there's no reason to believe that humans pairbond in this way, we're not geese.
Not sure what specific dark personal history is eating you, but you're not going to convince me I hallucinated all human civilizations from the dawn of time just because Becky got walked out on by Tyrone.
 
Not sure what specific dark personal history is eating you, but you're not going to convince me I hallucinated all human civilizations from the dawn of time just because Becky got walked out on by Tyrone.
all those human civilizations where most children are born from your projection of modern companionate marriage into the past, ok
 
all those human civilizations where most children are born from your projection of modern companionate marriage into the past, ok
"Companionate" is your term, I never introduced it. Being friends with your spouse is nice, but it's not a necessary component of the relationship for it to fulfill its basic purposes. Working together cooperatively is all that's required and yes, that's in every civilization. I don't know what you think existed instead- some kind of terf sci fi book where the women are all sister wives in a harem being lesbian together while the guys set up wars? Who knows. It's weird to try to argue "ackshully men and women never worked together to raise kids in the past, dumbass."
 
Who says I'm not? You literally know nothing about me other than I post on Kiwifarms and don't like killing babies. I could be a flaming tranny communist for all you know.
All of you die-hard Republicans seem to be anti-welfare and anti-healthcare for poor people. Or are you pro those things?
 
"Companionate" is your term, I never introduced it. Being friends with your spouse is nice, but it's not a necessary component of the relationship for it to fulfill its basic purposes. Working together cooperatively is all that's required and yes, that's in every civilization. I don't know what you think existed instead- some kind of terf sci fi book where the women are all sister wives in a harem being lesbian together while the guys set up wars? Who knows. It's weird to try to argue "ackshully men and women never worked together to raise kids in the past, dumbass."
not as weird as your response to someone baring their soul and expressing real pain up there

I mean no one should do that on this site ever, but the proper response is to ignore it, freak
 
not as weird as your response to someone baring their soul and expressing real pain up there

I mean no one should do that on this site ever, but the proper response is to ignore it, freak
I'm not here to read anyone's gut spilling, they're blocking the aisle and creating a biohazard. I'm here to laugh at idiots. And apparently every five pages get a condescending lecture from a terf.
 
So you think a clump of cells, that doesn't have thoughts or feelings, has more rights than the mother? This is why people think you Republicans hate women
Yeah, the clumps of cells are so annoying, they're like flies. That's why whenever there's a fly that's annoying me I tear off all it's limbs and then crush its head with a pair of foreceps. Because I'm a totally normal person and that's a totally normal thing to do. Same goes for dogs, why get them spayed or neutered when you can just kick them in the stomach! That's normal.
 
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These people going yass qween over the Satanists and Jews having abortion be a religious right miss the teeny tiny little point that if you consider a fetus a life, and if you consider abortion murder, then no matter your religion the right to LIFE is above the right to practice that aspect of your faith.
I cannot say I am a member of the church of Moloch and therefore I get to commit Blood Libel, too bad niggas it’s my religious right to do so. If that were true, a lot more people would be stoned, have millstones tied to them while thrown in the sea, or burned for being a harlot.
 
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