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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
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She’s so poor she can’t even afford condoms, and she can’t afford to not have sex with some guy who busts all up inside her. It’s such a huge risk to her to fall pregnant she just had to get an abortion, and not just either not have sex until you’re stable or at the very least have safe sex
Truly not her fault.
They truly view life in a different way. I would never say I "know I am going to be homeless." If I see a situation coming up which could conceivably lead to homelessness, I start bailing water and coming up with strategies every which way to cover for the deficit and make the homelessness not happen. That goes quadruple if some poor kid could also become homeless because of my predicament. So I would say, if I don't implement parts A, B, and C of my rescue and recovery plan, if I mess up, or something falls through, I could be in danger of homelessness. But letting it get to the point where another $30 in diapers and formula puts you out on the street without putting any of those plans into action? I just can't fathom it.
 
I wonder if any studies have ever been done on male regret over elective abortion. Quite frankly, men do have a say in quite a few cases of elective abortion, either though corrosion or abandonment. I wonder if any of them ever have any twinge of conscious over it, even if many years later.
 
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She’s so poor she can’t even afford condoms, and she can’t afford to not have sex with some guy who busts all up inside her. It’s such a huge risk to her to fall pregnant she just had to get an abortion, and not just either not have sex until you’re stable or at the very least have safe sex
Truly not her fault.
Sigh. It's hard to have faith in people sometimes.
They truly view life in a different way. I would never say I "know I am going to be homeless." If I see a situation coming up which could conceivably lead to homelessness, I start bailing water and coming up with strategies every which way to cover for the deficit and make the homelessness not happen. That goes quadruple if some poor kid could also become homeless because of my predicament. So I would say, if I don't implement parts A, B, and C of my rescue and recovery plan, if I mess up, or something falls through, I could be in danger of homelessness. But letting it get to the point where another $30 in diapers and formula puts you out on the street without putting any of those plans into action? I just can't fathom it.
And that's why. We've spent the last fifty years creating a narrative of women as victims without agency, the same we did for blacks etc., it's no wonder it takes hold. It's learned helplessness. It's happening now with young men, but between based moms and young men, neither of whom are putting up with it they way they did 20 years ago, we are seeing a change, because based moms care about their kids, and young men are starting to say fuck that noise, I'm not a manlet.

About abortion. Who would possibly celebrate such a thing? And yet, it happens all the time. I've known women who feel like it's some rite of passage to be a real woman and shit like that. Even if I took their assumption it was just an invasive clump of cells, would you cheer when you stomped on a flower, or eroticize killing a raccoon in your attic? It's incredibly pathologically sadistic.
 
You know the entire abortion thing to me just feels like a slippery slope to infanticide. Remark all you will about consciousness, but then you get into coma patients and the mentally retarded. The technology of today is astounding, we can 3D image kids within the womb. Ultrasound is available in most countries in the world. If you poke a fetus in the womb it recoils. They’ll die outside the womb, but they’ll squeal in pain as they die. And we have the technology to keep them alive and help them grow fairly healthy.

Civilizations used to leave deformed or crippled babies to die of exposure if they didn’t have the resources. I can understand that, but I couldn’t condone it. I think forcing a rape victim to carry a reminder of the rape is a horror story, but I don’t think the child itself is guilty.

The Abortion debate is inherently flawed because the fence sitter position was always allowed. The Pro-Life side has insane absolutists, but the Pro-Choice have people who glorify the act and see it as empowering. Killing one of the most vulnerable things is somehow empowering?
If the government decides you have no bodily autonomy it won't end with abortion. It'll start with it plucking your organs out of your body and your blood, and the courts will support the mandates.
People say "prolifers are antiwelfare" we are of the second wave of welfare where welfare queens are double dipping child support and welfare and disqualified married couples of the program. Welfare isn't meant to be a permanent thing.
They wanted those babies alive. Concern for what happens after is of no concern to them. Who cares if they're welfare babies? They're born!
I remember asking a girl who didn’t mind having unprotected sex, “What if you get pregnant?”, and she replied “As long as I can get rid of it, I don’t care”.

This is the majority of women that are upset at this news.

They’re not “justice warriors” or “fighting for equal rights”. These are just a guise to hide their true goal: a lack of consequence for reckless behavior.
You can despise those women.

My sympathies are to those women who wanted a child but had an ectopic pregnancy; who was not mentally ready and was abandoned by the father.

People love calling these women whores yet forget who impregnates them.

Naturally, when faced with the consequences of THEIR actions, the dads complain about the hole in their wallet.

If you live in Louisiana, even if a woman has an ectopic or life threatening pregnancy, she cannot abort. She will be given a death sentence if she does.
 
I wonder if any studies have ever been done on male regret over elective abortion. Quite frankly, men do have a say in quite a few cases of elective abortion, either though corrosion or abandonment. I wonder if any of them ever have any twinge of conscious over it, even if many years later.
i can only speculate but it's probably pretty grim. my guess is most either don't give a shit at all (those who abandon their pregnant girlfriends) or even encourage it (the selfish boyfriend who pressures his girlfriend to abort because he doesn't want to deal with the inconvenience of being a father)

i think that the real male regret situation (where he wants a child but she doesn't and aborts against his will) is very rare
 
It's a shame that the cucked version of christanity gets the most spotlight in modern culture because the rest of it is pretty base
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this, you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of antichrist, of which you heard that it was coming, and now it is in the world already.
- 1 John 4:1-3

These niggas did not fuck around, for good and ill. Now, it’s just more yas qweening the current thing.
 
If the government decides you have no bodily autonomy it won't end with abortion. It'll start with it plucking your organs out of your body and your blood, and the courts will support the mandates.
Funny, Roe wasn't cited as a precedent to disallow vaccine mandates, not even alluded to. And the people who want Roe also by and large supported vaccine mandates.

How does that work?

By the same token you could claim that abortion leads to broader and more widespread euthanasia. And there's evidence for that. "Right to die" became obligation to die in the most leftist countries, pretty quick.

If you live in Louisiana, even if a woman has an ectopic or life threatening pregnancy, she cannot abort. She will be given a death sentence if she does.
Then why does this fertility clinic in Louisiana casually talk about how they treat those pregnancies?

Oh because you're spouting lies and hyperbole, like abortionists always do.
 
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She’s so poor she can’t even afford condoms, and she can’t afford to not have sex with some guy who busts all up inside her. It’s such a huge risk to her to fall pregnant she just had to get an abortion, and not just either not have sex until you’re stable or at the very least have safe sex
Truly not her fault.

It isn't her fault. Women have no ability to make choices for themselves, which is why everyone agrees now that giving them legal autonomy and letting them vote was a mistake.
 
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She’s so poor she can’t even afford condoms, and she can’t afford to not have sex with some guy who busts all up inside her. It’s such a huge risk to her to fall pregnant she just had to get an abortion, and not just either not have sex until you’re stable or at the very least have safe sex
Truly not her fault.

I never studied statistics, but if I read this paper more or less correctly, that was a serious outlier to conceive despite IUD and condom use.

 
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She’s so poor she can’t even afford condoms, and she can’t afford to not have sex with some guy who busts all up inside her. It’s such a huge risk to her to fall pregnant she just had to get an abortion, and not just either not have sex until you’re stable or at the very least have safe sex
Truly not her fault.
Writeup for updoots and sympathy fishing, when pointed out with the logical "put em up for adoption" they just go "I didn't want to". Got to love the host of single mothers in bad situations fishing for sympathy or raging this has caused.
They truly view life in a different way. I would never say I "know I am going to be homeless." If I see a situation coming up which could conceivably lead to homelessness, I start bailing water and coming up with strategies every which way to cover for the deficit and make the homelessness not happen. That goes quadruple if some poor kid could also become homeless because of my predicament. So I would say, if I don't implement parts A, B, and C of my rescue and recovery plan, if I mess up, or something falls through, I could be in danger of homelessness. But letting it get to the point where another $30 in diapers and formula puts you out on the street without putting any of those plans into action? I just can't fathom it.
If they had that sort of mindset, they wouldn't be 19 and knocked up, get to 20 as a single mother with a 1 year old and get knocked up again by a different man. It is a genuine out for the consequences of consistent poor decision making.
 
People love calling these women whores yet forget who impregnates them.

Agreed. Those guys are scummy as hell. But women are the gatekeeper when it comes to sex, stop rewarding the shitty guys

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Why are wahmen on Twitter and reddit acting like they'll die if they get pregnant? Death due to childbirth in post industrial first world nations is very rare. You are way more likely to die in a car accident or from a nigger shooting of extreme peacefulness than giving birth.
 
Why are wahmen on Twitter and reddit acting like they'll die if they get pregnant? Death due to childbirth in post industrial first world nations is very rare. You are way more likely to die in a car accident or from a nigger shooting of extreme peacefulness than giving birth.
They're acting like they'll die because they're women who were told no.
 
If the government decides you have no bodily autonomy it won't end with abortion. It'll start with it plucking your organs out of your body and your blood, and the courts will support the mandates.
Slippery slope fallacy. You need to explain why the logic used to overturn Roe will go on to create an organ harvesting mandate or whatever you imagine. Also a Netflix pitch fallacy, the informal fallacy of assuming a bizarrely dystopian future.

They wanted those babies alive. Concern for what happens after is of no concern to them.
Do you lot ever get tired of saying that? It was false the first time you said it, it's still false the millionth time.

If you live in Louisiana, even if a woman has an ectopic or life threatening pregnancy, she cannot abort. She will be given a death sentence if she does.
Citation needed. I've read the Abolition of Abortion in Louisiana Act of 2022 and the present laws, and I don't see how anyone could ever be convicted for terminating an ectopic or life threatening pregnancy. It's perfect self defense with multiple witnesses and a mountain of records corroborating the justification. A prosecutor would be insane to even consider charging someone for it. Maybe y'all have insane prosecutors down there in Louisiana, but they'll be doing insane things regardless of what your abortion laws say, so you really need to work on that.
 
Why are wahmen on Twitter and reddit acting like they'll die if they get pregnant? Death due to childbirth in post industrial first world nations is very rare. You are way more likely to die in a car accident or from a nigger shooting of extreme peacefulness than giving birth.
They just want to LARP being in Handmaiden’s Tale. Getting pregnant in a first world country is safe overall. Even safer if you keep up with prenatal care. There’s also laws that allow doctors to take out babies that have already died in the womb or fixing ectopic pregnancies. Those aren’t considered abortion.
 
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