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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Why are wahmen on Twitter and reddit acting like they'll die if they get pregnant? Death due to childbirth in post industrial first world nations is very rare. You are way more likely to die in a car accident or from a nigger shooting of extreme peacefulness than giving birth.
It is because they can't live a life of meaningless self-worship and decadence and that might as well be as if they were dead. Quite a few men feel the same way.
 
Check this one out.
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She’s so poor she can’t even afford condoms, and she can’t afford to not have sex with some guy who busts all up inside her. It’s such a huge risk to her to fall pregnant she just had to get an abortion, and not just either not have sex until you’re stable or at the very least have safe sex
Truly not her fault.

I promise you this: She definitely found plenty of money for tattoos and fass fud.
 
i can only speculate but it's probably pretty grim. my guess is most either don't give a shit at all (those who abandon their pregnant girlfriends) or even encourage it (the selfish boyfriend who pressures his girlfriend to abort because he doesn't want to deal with the inconvenience of being a father)

i think that the real male regret situation (where he wants a child but she doesn't and aborts against his will) is very rare

Story time:

I handled a case once. Divorce. The wife and the husband had agreed before marriage they would remain childless. She was adamant she did not want a child. About two years into the marriage, he starts pushing very hard for children. She makes it clear that she’s not budging, but she is absolutely willing to go for a quickie divorce with no financial provision if he wants to find someone to have kids with. He does not consider this an acceptable solution, says he wants to have kids with her, she’ll love it when it gets here, blah blah.

Things simmer down, but obviously this issue is not settled. There’s a major bust up over Christmas, she leaves for a week to stay with her sister, they decide to try counselling, the usual marriage death spiral bullshit.

Shortly after this, there was either a pill failure, or pill tampering depending on who you heard the story from. She is extremely not fucking happy. He is delighted. She tells him she’s having an abortion. He begs, pleads, etc etc. Offers to give up work etc. No dice. So he says he will kill himself if she does it.

She booked her first appointment with me for the afternoon of the day she got the first medication dose. Didn’t know this until she walked through the door looking green around the gills and told me why. This was someone who absolutely did not want a child and I don’t know, having dealt with her over the months I did, how the husband ever convinced himself he would talk her round. She was completely implacable.

I knew the guy acting for the husband well. He did not attempt suicide. We got the whole business done as quickly as possible, but dealing with them was grim and I know we were both glad to see the back of them as clients.
 

Thoughts and prayers to the guy laying next to a murderess for 13 years and none the wiser. You know she lies to him about other things too.

Why are wahmen on Twitter and reddit acting like they'll die if they get pregnant? Death due to childbirth in post industrial first world nations is very rare. You are way more likely to die in a car accident or from a nigger shooting of extreme peacefulness than giving birth.
I mentioned this before but it's a standard spoiled brat move in society today to get a "doctor's note" to get out of any unpleasantness or "adulting" that you want to avoid. Extra time on the test because of ADHD, that sort of thing. We let it run rampant to the point of letting these people call society out of work sick for 2 whole years. Of course it's not available to plebs- grubhub delivery guy still has to go to work, cops still have to show up, and an actually miserable sod who truly cannot finish the test due to his mental condition will probably just fail out of society if he doesn't have the upper middle class mommy and daddy to call the right doctors. The doctor at the poor folk clinic doesn't write these notes.

So they think a doctor's note is the perfect thing to get them out of sexual responsibility too, naturally. They just have to exaggerate and cry and they will get what they want handed over, just like always.
 
Funny, Roe wasn't cited as a precedent to disallow vaccine mandates, not even alluded to. And the people who want Roe also by and large supported vaccine mandates.

How does that work?

By the same token you could claim that abortion leads to broader and more widespread euthanasia. And there's evidence for that. "Right to die" became obligation to die in the most leftist countries, pretty quick.


Then why does this fertility clinic in Louisiana casually talk about how they treat those pregnancies?

Oh because you're spouting lies and hyperbole, like abortionists always do.
It isn't hyperbole when Louisiana states that it plans on sending any woman who gets an abortion, even if it is actually a medical emergency - and this includes ectopic pregnancies - as murder, full murder, and that carries the death penalty. There are no exceptions whatsoever in the bill for rape, incest, or medical emergencies which even Texas and Oklahoma do.

It isn't 'lies and hyperbole'. You're just going to see dead women, even those who wanted those kids.

Alito's opinion alluded to private decisions being void, include homosexual activity in your own home, and it is that precedent that opens the door for the government or the state to decide what to do with your body. It's cute to use that 'my body my choice' thing for vaccines while joking about women dying from abortions, but it isn't when the state or government decides you aren't worthy of life because of a personal medical decision.
 
It isn't hyperbole when Louisiana states that it plans on sending any woman who gets an abortion, even if it is actually a medical emergency - and this includes ectopic pregnancies - as murder, full murder, and that carries the death penalty. There are no exceptions whatsoever in the bill for rape, incest, or medical emergencies which even Texas and Oklahoma do.

It isn't 'lies and hyperbole'. You're just going to see dead women, even those who wanted those kids.

Alito's opinion alluded to private decisions being void, include homosexual activity in your own home, and it is that precedent that opens the door for the government or the state to decide what to do with your body. It's cute to use that 'my body my choice' thing for vaccines while joking about women dying from abortions, but it isn't when the state or government decides you aren't worthy of life because of a personal medical decision.
Ah I see it hasn't been passed yet, is still in draft form, and is barely a week or so old. Call me up when it actually passes into law without an exception.

How many times have you people used the "WAHMEN WILL DYYYYYY" line only for a quiet, well, oops, I guess not, a few days later?
 
How many times have you people used the "WAHMEN WILL DYYYYYY" line only for a quiet, well, oops, I guess not, a few days later?
Especially egregious as it's built on the premise that sex is an inevitable, inextricable part of life that one cannot live without.

But a guy gets a woman pregnant and assumes full responsibility for the kid (through government enforcement, whether they like it or not) if the woman decides to keep it. 🤔
 
Ah I see it hasn't been passed yet, is still in draft form, and is barely a week or so old. Call me up when it actually passes into law without an exception.

How many times have you people used the "WAHMEN WILL DYYYYYY" line only for a quiet, well, oops, I guess not, a few days later?
Give it about a week or two. It is headed to the House, where it likely will be signed and then to the Senate, where it will get signed, and then given to the governor, who will sign it.

We use that 'heated' rhetoric because it's true. We can mock the landwhales and their five abortions. My sympathies are for those women who need them because their pregnancies are killing them or it's an ectopic pregnancy. Remember that politician who said you can just re-implant them and to charge doctors with homicide if they didn't? I do.

Just last month Lizelle Hererra got a murder charge for a self induced abortion. The charges were dropped yet she still had them levied against her. Predictably, all the pro life groups distanced themselves for that issue. Can't go back to the clinic bombing days, you know?

@Standardized Profile

It isn't a slippery slope when it keeps happening. It also isn't a fallacy or a Netflix pitch when you have actual women being harmed by these laws.

Citation needed. I've read the Abolition of Abortion in Louisiana Act of 2022 and the present laws, and I don't see how anyone could ever be convicted for terminating an ectopic or life threatening pregnancy. It's perfect self defense with multiple witnesses and a mountain of records corroborating the justification. A prosecutor would be insane to even consider charging someone for it. Maybe y'all have insane prosecutors down there in Louisiana, but they'll be doing insane things regardless of what your abortion laws say, so you really need to work on that.
There is no exception for medical emergencies in the Bill. I've read it too. Again, I'll point to Hererra in South Texas who induced an abortion on herself and was charged with murder. Yeah, prosecutors said there was no case yet they decided to charge her with murder anyways.

Ectopic pregnancies being ended with abortion is still murder according to this law, as it declares the zygote to be a full human. Again, did you see a clause for medical emergencies in there?

Maybe it should be asked why Louisiana decided to draft this law in the first place without any medical exceptions.
 
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Give it about a week or two. It is headed to the House, where it likely will be signed and then to the Senate, where it will get signed, and then given to the governor, who will sign it.

We use that 'heated' rhetoric because it's true. We can mock the landwhales and their five abortions. My sympathies are for those women who need them because their pregnancies are killing them or it's an ectopic pregnancy. Remember that politician who said you can just re-implant them and to charge doctors with homicide if they didn't? I do.

Just last month Lizelle Hererra got a murder charge for a self induced abortion. The charges were dropped yet she still had them levied against her. Predictably, all the pro life groups distanced themselves for that issue. Can't go back to the clinic bombing days, you know?
The charges were dropped. Again, call me when something happens. Also, where are the details on how she was charged in the first place? Did she abort a viable baby and dump it in a public trash can? Did she advertise home abortion services on Craigslist? Suspiciously absent details abound...
 
It isn't hyperbole when Louisiana states that it plans on sending any woman who gets an abortion, even if it is actually a medical emergency - and this includes ectopic pregnancies - as murder, full murder, and that carries the death penalty.
i actually went through the bill and basically what it does is make it so the fetus is to be considered a person under the law, meaning that killing it can get you charged with homicide.
so, what other parts of the law apply to homicide? this one, for instance:

§20. Justifiable homicide
A. A homicide is justifiable:
(1) When committed in self-defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm and that the killing is necessary to save himself from that danger.​

an ectopic pregnancy absolutely constitutes an imminent danger of losing your life or receiving great bodily harm, and removing (killing) the fetus is absolutely necessary to save yourself from that danger. airtight case of self-defense.

so no, you will not be sentenced to death (or anything else) for terminating your ectopic pregnancy in louisiana.​
 
It isn't hyperbole when Louisiana states that it plans on sending any woman who gets an abortion, even if it is actually a medical emergency - and this includes ectopic pregnancies - as murder, full murder, and that carries the death penalty. There are no exceptions whatsoever in the bill for rape, incest, or medical emergencies which even Texas and Oklahoma do.
I read the bill.

Now you read it and show me where it says that.
It isn't 'lies and hyperbole'. You're just going to see dead women, even those who wanted those kids.

Alito's opinion alluded to private decisions being void, include homosexual activity in your own home, and it is that precedent that opens the door for the government or the state to decide what to do with your body. It's cute to use that 'my body my choice' thing for vaccines while joking about women dying from abortions, but it isn't when the state or government decides you aren't worthy of life because of a personal medical decision.

Here's the biggest part
§18. Justification; general provisions
16 The fact that an offender's conduct is justifiable, although otherwise criminal,
17 shall constitute a defense to prosecution for any crime based on that conduct. This
18 defense of justification can be claimed under the following circumstances:
19 * * *
20 (6) When any crime, except murder where the victim is not an unborn child,
21 is committed through the compulsion of threats by another of death or great bodily
22 harm, and the offender reasonably believes the person making the threats is present
23 and would immediately carry out the threats if the crime were not committed; or
You're also using something that happened in Texas as proof of Louisiana.

Sorry, but there's nothing in that bill like you say.

No, there's no SPECIFIC language for ectopic pregnancies or stillbirths, but there's nothing in there for if Bigfoot rapes a woman in the parking lot either.
 
i actually went through the bill and basically what it does is make it so the fetus is to be considered a person under the law, meaning that killing it can get you charged with homicide.
so, what other parts of the law apply to homicide? this one, for instance:




an ectopic pregnancy absolutely constitutes an imminent danger of losing your life or receiving great bodily harm, and removing (killing) the fetus is absolutely necessary to save yourself from that danger. airtight case of self-defense.

so no, you will not be sentenced to death (or anything else) for terminating your ectopic pregnancy in louisiana.​
And it's only been released from committee. There's time for it to be amended to carve out (pun maybe intended) an ectopic exemption.
 
The charges were dropped. Again, call me when something happens. Also, where are the details on how she was charged in the first place? Did she abort a viable baby and dump it in a public trash can? Did she advertise home abortion services on Craigslist? Suspiciously absent details abound...
Hererra went to a hospital. It was self induced; she was still charged under state laws because certain state laws view even self induced abortions as murder, vs one taken in a clinic. Medical professionals in the Texas hospital she was at reported her to the authorities, and she was held on a $500,000 bond.
Doesn't matter if the charges were dropped. She was near the US- Mexico border.
She got an apology, yet she was still charged.

@Jet Fuel Johnny


The only argument that gives is if a woman is forced into an abortion via a third party, it does not give it to her if she decides on her own. I don't see any specifics for justifiable homicide, do you?
 
Agreed. Those guys are scummy as hell. But women are the gatekeeper when it comes to sex, stop rewarding the shitty guys

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Yep. Patriarchy doesn't work with shitty men.
If you live in Louisiana, even if a woman has an ectopic or life threatening pregnancy, she cannot abort. She will be given a death sentence if she does.

In all seriousness, yeah legalize it for life threatening situations but make it require doctor's recommendation. And obviously if the doctors don't take this responsibility seriously then charge them with murder.
 
Hererra went to a hospital. It was self induced; she was still charged under state laws because certain state laws view even self induced abortions as murder, vs one taken in a clinic. Medical professionals in the Texas hospital she was at reported her to the authorities, and she was held on a $500,000 bond.
Doesn't matter if the charges were dropped. She was near the US- Mexico border.
She got an apology, yet she was still charged.
You know certain state laws view self-induced abortions as murder, right?
 
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