Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Shekelslovakia]

I'm not going to watch it but what does Doomcock mean by "finally killing Star Wars?" What you mean it's been dead for years!

 

[Adamska]

I'm not going to watch it but what does Doomcock mean by "finally killing Star Wars?" It's been dead for years. Did it's bones turn the dust yet?

Jesus Christ 18 minutes of this clown whining. I'll go on in this shit and describe the video until we get the reason. I'll likely stop when we get there since I don't want this clown to be in my recommendeds.

So his intro comes off as Baghdad Bob tier propaganda, bleating and honking about a culture war he's totally fighting for. Ignore that this ass clown regularly makes a point to wait for other people to say the talking points and leaks he'll parrot. Ignore how he tries to make people watch product, consoom it, and how any minute it's gonna be saved. He genuinely can't stop lying about his influence, especially given he's used as a joke by his own peers nowadays.

So his actual video shocked me. HE ACTUALLY SPRUNG FOR REAL GREEN SCREEN STUDIO SHIT FOR ONCE. Given how last time I seriously watched him he was reduced to babbling in front of a van de graff generator that's an improvement. His uniform improved from earlier, but he still has a shit helmet.

He talks about how the true holiday is the 25th, but he does talk up May 4th quite a bit even as he shills for Revenge of the 5th. Comes off as waffly.

He lies about getting a source for a Vader tv show, when in reality he likely stole it from /tv/ or reddit. He tries to rationalize the Kenobi and Vader show being back to back makes sense, when honestly no it doesn't. I'm listening and he sounds like if Collider was told by Disney to try and poopoo the brand while still upselling it at the same time. It's really pathetic.

He says Kenobi might deliver a win, before trying to decry propaganda in a child's show, only after the outrage happened.

And the reason he's claiming Star Wars is doomed is because his channel didn't get a ton of views on his video announcing that there's totally a Vader series guys trust /tv/ err my sources. He then blames its awful view count on the Algorithm rather than his stagnating channel and reputation for being a blatant fibber. Seriously, he's been mocked by the others in the Fandom Menace for being a liar and clickbaiter; that does tank views.

He then tries to downsell that NONONO, he's NOT using just his shit metrics! It's totally the comments GUYS! Doomcuck then tries to pretend that he will totally be fair on the comments, and is apparently stunned that no one wants a Vader show at all.

So yeah, the reason he's proclaiming that Disney is Dead-Dead is entirely because he's angy his little clickbait of there being a Vader show did like shit views wise and the comments saying "lol fuck that show idea".

ADDENDUM: OH GOD HE SOUNDS SO MUCH LIKE AN ANGRY CORPORATE DRONE! He is not happy that the PLEBS he tries to get to hate-watch Disney doesn't want this shit! He is honest to god trying to sell this show to them! Seriously watch at about 4 minutes in and you can smell the talking points; it doesn't seem like Socratic Questioning or sarcasm... he's genuinely tilted even as he reads the comments saying fuck this show.

DOOMCUCK 5TH COLUMNIST AND PAID SHILL FUCKING CONFIRMED.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Holy fuck, I stumbled on something out in the wild that I absolutely had to post:

For those unaware, the r/StarWarsCantina Subreddit is a "positive sanctuary" for people who like all Disney Era SW content, chiefly the Sequels. Every so often, you'll find what I call "therapy posts", where users post and console each other about all the "suffering" they have to endure on other public spaces as an ST fan.

This shit, though...this takes the cake. This is the epitome of butt-hurt insecurity. This guy literally wrote a manifesto whining about how mad he is that ST Lovers aren't some kind of protected class that get to hear only positive things about their content of choice.

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Spoiler: Transcript for the Blind/Phone Users

I don't know what to do with Star Wars anymore. Even after avoiding direct interaction with the community for about a month, the anti-sequel toxicity/hatred and general negativity keep dragging me back in, and all of it just rots away my mind to where I don't really enjoy Star Wars anymore.


I know it's a depressing post to make in the days leading up to Star Wars Day, but this feels like one of the few things I can really talk about regarding Star Wars. This is the one entity in my life where I feel alone or constantly back-and-forth depressed or infuriated. In the other fandoms I've been involved in on Reddit, even if there is some bad discourse or negativity that pops up, that's usually outweighed by people who are more levelheaded in discussions, creative minds who contribute a lot of nice and amazing fan art, and a larger population of friendlier people that overshadow the negative ones. However, with Star Wars it feels like the total opposite. Most fans tend or appear to be very spiteful or hateful towards something; most times, it's against the sequels and their fans, but there's also plenty of lingering hatred towards the prequels, the shows, and anything else people can set their eyes on. All of this behavior in the form of videos, comments, posts, etc on Reddit, Facebook, YouTube, and anywhere else you can think of just culminates to where a majority of the fans appear to be constantly angry and desire to fuel those flames of rage everywhere they go.
Initially, I tried to take a break from it all, I decided to venture on a brief "vow of silence" where I wouldn't interact with any Star Wars fans directly on any forums for a while on Reddit and hone in on other fandoms and interests for about a month. For a brief time, it seemed to "work." I was more focused on indulging in anime and Fire Emblem for a time. If I viewed anything SW-related, it was on my own terms, with no comments on threads or indulging minimally. I even tried the Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga for a bit, and it was fun to revisit the aspects of The Force Awakens in Lego form. But gradually, I felt like I was getting pulled back and drawn towards interacting with fans again.

There are some things that contributed to wanting to come back or to this feeling of being "sucked back in":

1. Holding my tongue: While I mainly just viewed Star Wars posts from the sidelines without interacting, there were just more and more posts I kept seeing that really jabbed at me and made me want to speak out, but I had kept to that "vow of silence" and I wanted to commit to it.
2. Too many instances of "bad fans:" There are still so many cases of bad Star Wars fans making things worser and worser with the fanbase and for the ST and their fans. I know it was been mentioned many times before that dwelling on it isn't healthy, and it could be "futile", but damnit, there comes a point where I can't just shut up and not say something or do something.
3. Mental factors: Staying away from the fans and "not interacting" made me feel lonely at times, and much of my own feelings (whether it be compartmentalized anger from Star Wars or other entities, or positive vibes) kept building up.
4. Mental addiction(?) to being in touch or to the clashes, and a ruined psyche: As much as I hate having TFM and the extreme negativity of the general fanbase (whether it's the hostility towards the sequels and their fans, or any other levels of anger or hatred over other media, things that "should have been", or miniscule things like Baby Yoda), part of me seems to "need" it. My brain chemistry has already been scarred to where I can't enjoy Star Wars the same anymore due to the extreme hatred from every single fan permeating my thoughts and making feel bad or icky for even considering watching/playing something about SW. I find myself inadverdently checking forums to see if anything good will come out or if there is hope of things getting better, but that just feeds into the cycle of negativity. And my mind just seems hardwired to want to clash against the Star Wars fanbase. I hate how this is the only case where I feel that all of the fans collectively are antagonistic and I need to be on "combat alert" against all of them, as I don't feel the same way for other fanbases. But with all of the growing or neverending hatred infecting the fandom like poison, having those instances or opportunities of lashing back against it all makes me "feel somewhat better" in an attempt to try to bring back those old days of having fun again.

And even if I just kept to myself, all of the negativity, hatred, malice, rage, and hostility is inescapable and permeates every corner of the fanbase and Internet like a plague. The anti-sequel negativity, campaigns, and attacks are everywhere and make it less and less safe and welcome to be a sequel fan. Even prequel fans like I was as a kid/teen didn't have to deal with this back then; we at least had our niche groups, the Clone Wars games/shows, and plenty of other things to keep us happy. Meanwhile, sequel fans have to deal with a drought of anything to cater to us that isn't dedicated canon or that isn't just comics or Lego stuff, as well as a constant state of limbo asking "When are we gonna get ACTUAL content for Rey, Kylo, or Finn" and waiting for something good to come, all while dealing with a continuous bombardment of ST hatred from other fans everywhere.

And there's too many instances of toxicity and negativity for me to even count from just my own observations:

*Facebook and YouTube threads, even if positive about the sequels or all of Star Wars, where the commenters are swarming and throwing out ST hate and insults towards people for liking them.

*Constant calls to label the sequels non-canon.

*Frequent insults towards the newer directors and actors at a point in time when we should have LEARNED from the PT hate that was thrown towards George Lucas and the actors back in the day.

*Rampant and promoted sequel hate across most of YouTube, where most fans there are extremely negative and hostile towards the sequels and at times their fans, to where there's little places for sequel fans to feel welcome without harassment in the comments.

*Mass swarms from very negative fans to flood the comments of whatever post they can find with ST hate, as well as using mass upvotes to promote it and downvotes to exclude anyone who disagrees, calls them out, or does actually like the ST.

*Gatekeeping and consistent direct insults.

*Elitism about opinions with statements such as 'liking a movie and thinking a movie is good CANNOT be the same', or "you are allowed to 'LIKE A BAD MOVIE'", to dissuade people from praising the sequel trilogy, or saying they like them or that they're good.

*Multiple anti-sequel fan memes on different subreddits, with many even supporting them and calling for bullying of sequel fans.

*Many cases of people feigning ignorance to ST hate, in some cases just saying "it's all a joke" while ignoring the constant campaigns that are genuinely being raised by some to tear them down.

*Putting down or disregarding ST fans by claiming that "the majority of Star Wars fans hate the sequels" and that sequel fans are a "minority" that can be ignored by everyone else.

*Extremely hateful comments calling ST fans stupid for defending/praising/liking the sequels, or questioning why we find value or joy in those movies to imply that we're infidels or "braindead" for doing so.

*Brigades on communities or places where things are usually friendlier for sequel fans just to insult or mock them, such as the Cantina on Reddit, Facebook threads, or more positive ST videos/channels.

I know for sure that there's definitely some people who just simply don't vibe with the sequel trilogy. Some people just don't like them and have moved on or are calm about it in some threads. However, that clique of fans tends to be extremely overshadowed by a large crowd of fans who absolutely hate them, want to spread their hate to every corner of the Internet via comments or posts, and/or actively attack those who call them out or who defend/like aspects of the sequels or the movies as a whole. It's made it to where I can't tell anymore if the anti-ST crowd is even a "minority", because they overwhelm the more rational clique of fans in numbers and force in Reddit, YouTube, Facebook, and any other social media platform you could probably think of.

And it's not just the sequels that see their share of hate. There always seems to be something that fans are angry about or hateful towards. The prequel hate doesn't seem to have faded away, as there's still plenty of derogatory comments and hateful insults thrown towards the prequels at times. There are cases I've seen of negativity and antogonism thrown towards the anthology films and the older shows. And there's a rising new trend of negativity and hate being thrown towards the newer live-action shows. There's lots of over-the-top anger towards the Boba Fett show that goes beyond just simply giving pointers for improvements and devolves towards comments like "THIS SHOW RUINED THE LEGACY OF BOBA FETT" or "I HATE BABY YODA NOW AND HE NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF STAR WARS" and such. The Mandalorian has been generating or facing newer waves of negavitity, some of it even towards Luke or Grogu when things like this were supposedly meant to "unite" us. Even the Obi-Wan show has seen some level of negativity and pessimism about Obi-Wan himself, cameos, or whatever else has been shown thus far.

It's taken its toll on my mental state regarding Star Wars and my ability to enjoy Star Wars like the old days, whether I had been a kid loving the prequels and classic Clone Wars, a teen loving the newer Clone Wars era, or as a college student watching live-action Star Wars for the first time in theaters with the sequels and the anthology films. I'm not happy with Star Wars anymore in the same way I was all those years ago. I sometimes question if it's wrong for me to like/defend the sequels or to even have found enjoyment or purpose in them in the first place those years ago. My first thought whenever Star Wars does come to mind randomly is something along the lines of "Damnit, I hate the fans" or "What's the fanbase gonna wage war over this time?" Watching Star Wars on YouTube feels like a chore because most comments/videos are anti-ST and just make me pissed more than anything, and even those clips I do manage to watch are haunted by the lingering wisp of the toxic fanbase looming over me, as if to silently say I'm stupid for enjoying something. Sometimes I wonder if I've outgrown Star Wars or if I'm even fit for Star Wars anymore among my age demographic; I'm at about the 25-year mark (a quarter towards the 100-year age milestone) and even then, the Star Wars fanbase feels so alien to me to where I feel "old" for my demographic from the PT era of the 2000s or I'm too young or old for something. It's really hard to find people within a similar age vein nowadays that I can identify with easily as an old PT/Clone Wars fan from back in the day and as a ST fan.

It's gotten to where I'm either constantly down or angry whenever Star Wars comes to mind, and it doesn't elicit the same joy as before; even with a few shows to wait for or a few new things to try out, I just feel muddled with Star Wars whenever I think about it, and my only respite is finding ways to lash back against the ST negativity and hatred, even if it does feel meaningless in the end. That feels like most of what I had been doing in regards to Star Wars before my brief 1-month hiatus. As horrible as it seems, it feels like it's the whole world that's coming after the sequels and their fans. The friendly spaces for sequel fans are getting more and more encroached upon as more of the extreme anti-ST crowd and more hateful fans keep dogpiling hate towards the ST, and it makes it even harder for ST fans to even feel welcome or feel like Star Wars fans.

At the same time, I'm very hateful about myself and what it's come to for me and for all of us. I hate how I myself have become very spiteful about Star Wars itself and the fanbase and just wish things could go back to how they had been before. I hate how I've become cynical about Star Wars and my thoughts on it due to all of the negativity and how my own activity might have also contributed to it with my own rants and comments. I know that I've made comments that have gradually gotten more aggressive about Star Wars over time and that tend to be brash or antagonistic in their own rights. I'll admit it: I've gone overboard at times with being too negative or pessimistic myself in some cases. To me, rambling was the only thing that I felt like doing for Star Wars. And those comments I made to try to clap back against ST hate had felt and still somewhat feel like the only way to try to fight back against my loneliness as a sequel fan and to try to stop all of the hatred being thrown towards the ST, as well as towards me and other sequel fans for simply being ourselves. But looking back, I do hate myself at times for going that route of going farther than I should in regards to fan interaction or for my own mental sanity. And I sometimes wish I never went down this rabbit hole of becoming negative myself.

And I hate how we ourselves collectively have just become more and more cynical, negative, and less happy over time with Star Wars. I am indeed aware that there's still many fans out there, either casual fans or big creators, who just enjoy Star Wars in general and want to have more fun with it. Some of the dedicated creators I do still follow, like Star Wars Explained and Eckhartsladder, do try to keep things levelheaded as much as they can. But it feels like that clique of fans is shrinking more and more and/or is getting overshadowed by people who are extremely negative towards anything Star Wars, not just the sequels, but towards lots of different shows or movies or other media. And at this point, it feels like enough isn't being done to try to stop said negativity from eating the fandom alive. It feels like it will reach a point where as a result of the constant hate and cynicism, everything will just become pointless and Star Wars, along with its decades-old fanbase, will die out, as if to imply it was always gonna be overwhelmed by negativity and it's pointless to try to make things better.

At this point, I just don't know what to think or feel about Star Wars anymore. Maybe things will get better, or maybe they'll get worse even up to the point when we're all gone. Maybe I'll return to the old routine of interacting with the fans again. Maybe I do need another "break" even if it hurts or feels off, or maybe I need to seek out some sort of professional psychiatric/psychological help to rid my mind of the negativity that lingers for Star Wars, or to self-hypnotize myself to force myself to forget or stop thinking about Star Wars. I don't really know anymore. I just don't. It just feels like an inescapable cycle that we'll never leave and will just continue to rot in.

I can legit picture him typing this next to a box of tissues and about a hundred Star Wars Funko Pops.

Like, why are they all like this? Why are they SO desperate for validation of the thing they enjoy? I like plenty of things people hate, but you don't see me penning a novel-length suicide note because someone talked shit about them.

Nut up, you sad charlatan consoomer. These movies aren't real. They're not friends or children of yours that need constant sheltering from violent strangers. And the longer you do it, the more you embarrass yourself.

*I also love the low-key complaining that the Mouse is neglecting ST fans by not putting out any high-budget content with ST characters in it. The despair of these people is nothing short of delicious.

 

[Adamska]

Oh, and for those wondering, Doomcuck the consoomer shill that he is does try and defend Dave "Sure Kathy destroy Luke so I can make my Waifu the force" Filoni and keep the fucking lie he totally isn't in on knifing the series at the end.

So yeah.

Also in response to that whinging tl;dr post on that reddit:
iT's A mOvIe AbOuT sPaCe WiZaRdS fOr ChIlDrEn

 

[Ensok]

The good news is that after you get rid of the Red Eclipse guys, you can leave the planet (unless you sold T3-M4) and come back to Nar Shadda at a later time where you're at a higher level. Which I would recommend because the game forces you to use Atton as the party leader and even force T3 and Mira/Hanharr into your party.

That's certainly an interesting way to do it, I wasn't even thinking about leaving the planet before finishing it and then coming back. If you just grab Mira quick then yeah you could then go to Dxun and get the necessary influence with her before finishing things at Nar Shadda.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

That's certainly an interesting way to do it, I wasn't even thinking about leaving the planet before finishing it and then coming back. If you just grab Mira quick then yeah you could then go to Dxun and get the necessary influence with her before finishing things at Nar Shadda.

The problem is you get Mira and GO-TO at the end of the Nar Shadda quest after his yacht blows up, which is WAY after the Red Eclipse event.

 

[Ensok]

The problem is you get Mira and GO-TO at the end of the Nar Shadda quest after his yacht blows up, which is WAY after the Red Eclipse event.

Right, that's true. She gets involved with you at the start of the main quest line being completed and then it just drags on with you forever until you finally meet with Zez-kai-el.

 

[The Ugly One]

Neither do Westeros or Middle-Earth.

People, even if they’re a significant minority, will certainly act like a made up world is still a world with history and things to explore,

Yes, a lot of people will. But the problem is there is no history or world to explore. There isn't anything "there" until a writer writes something, and since anything any writer writes isn't real, it can be contradicted by other writers, or even the same writer. Or it can just be retarded. Your Star Wars fictional world has Chuck Wendig novels in it, after all.

Most people, when they consume a work of fiction, are interested only in that story. Their interest in sequels extends only insofar as it completes the original story in the work. It's not that they don't realize "there's a whole galaxy to explore," it's that they just don't care about learning about fictional technology, fictional history, and fictional places. They enjoyed Lord of the Rings without wishing Tolkien would have made up more lore about the Barrow-wights. In fact, they probably didn't even read Appendix A!

Seems to be the difference comes down to people who speak of fictional things as though they're real, and people who don't. The former kind of person often get deeply intellectually and emotionally invested in fiction, usually until something breaks the spell for them. The Disney sequels seem to have done that to a lot of Star Wars fans.

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

Daisy is Clearance Aisle Keira Knightley but she's cute and has a great ass. She is not the problem with the Sequel trilogy.

I don't remember seeing a great ass in TFA, probably got airbrushed off or something to not offend... someone. Still gonna ask for evidence of said ass. Strictly for informative and research purposes, of course.

Seems to be a thing with modern entertainment. MCU Spider-Man took three movies just to get to the point Tobey Maguire's version was at by the end of his first act, and most series are 90-minute plotlines stretched out over ten episodes.

To be fair, Toby's Peter was already a senior on his way to college. And not a dumbass.

 

[make_it_so]

The Templin Institute, which had previously done "re-imagining" videos on both the First Order and the New Republic/Resistance, released a video basically re-imagining the Sequel Trilogy.

Nerdy fanfiction? Sure. Better than what JJ/Johnson gave us? Definately.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

@Mississippi Motorboater

I need a meme edit of this post where someone reads it out like it's the Battlefront 2 War Diaries. "The journey back to the subreddit was silent. We all knew what we were facing. No matter how much distance we put between us and the bad content, we always return to the salty comments about the Sequel Trilogy. Whether out of duty or weakness, I can't tell you. War never leaves you."

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Templin Institute, which had previously done "re-imagining" videos on both the First Order and the New Republic/Resistance, released a video basically re-imagining the Sequel Trilogy.

Nerdy fanfiction? Sure. Better than what JJ/Johnson gave us? Definately.

You can just save some time and go with what the Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire showed us. Throw in the Jedi Knight games and Crimson Empire as a palette cleanser, and you're good to go.

 

[Creep3r]

I'm not going to watch it but what does Doomcock mean by "finally killing Star Wars?" What you mean it's been dead for years!

Jesus Christ 18 minutes of this clown whining. I'll go on in this shit and describe the video until we get the reason. I'll likely stop when we get there since I don't want this clown to be in my recommendeds.

So his intro comes off as Baghdad Bob tier propaganda, bleating and honking about a culture war he's totally fighting for. Ignore that this ass clown regularly makes a point to wait for other people to say the talking points and leaks he'll parrot. Ignore how he tries to make people watch product, consoom it, and how any minute it's gonna be saved. He genuinely can't stop lying about his influence, especially given he's used as a joke by his own peers nowadays.

So his actual video shocked me. HE ACTUALLY SPRUNG FOR REAL GREEN SCREEN STUDIO SHIT FOR ONCE. Given how last time I seriously watched him he was reduced to babbling in front of a van de graff generator that's an improvement. His uniform improved from earlier, but he still has a shit helmet.

He talks about how the true holiday is the 25th, but he does talk up May 4th quite a bit even as he shills for Revenge of the 5th. Comes off as waffly.

He lies about getting a source for a Vader tv show, when in reality he likely stole it from /tv/ or reddit. He tries to rationalize the Kenobi and Vader show being back to back makes sense, when honestly no it doesn't. I'm listening and he sounds like if Collider was told by Disney to try and poopoo the brand while still upselling it at the same time. It's really pathetic.

He says Kenobi might deliver a win, before trying to decry propaganda in a child's show, only after the outrage happened.

And the reason he's claiming Star Wars is doomed is because his channel didn't get a ton of views on his video announcing that there's totally a Vader series guys trust /tv/ err my sources. He then blames its awful view count on the Algorithm rather than his stagnating channel and reputation for being a blatant fibber. Seriously, he's been mocked by the others in the Fandom Menace for being a liar and clickbaiter; that does tank views.

He then tries to downsell that NONONO, he's NOT using just his shit metrics! It's totally the comments GUYS! Doomcuck then tries to pretend that he will totally be fair on the comments, and is apparently stunned that no one wants a Vader show at all.

So yeah, the reason he's proclaiming that Disney is Dead-Dead is entirely because he's angy his little clickbait of there being a Vader show did like shit views wise and the comments saying "lol fuck that show idea".

ADDENDUM: OH GOD HE SOUNDS SO MUCH LIKE AN ANGRY CORPORATE DRONE! He is not happy that the PLEBS he tries to get to hate-watch Disney doesn't want this shit! He is honest to god trying to sell this show to them! Seriously watch at about 4 minutes in and you can smell the talking points; it doesn't seem like Socratic Questioning or sarcasm... he's genuinely tilted even as he reads the comments saying fuck this show.

DOOMCUCK 5TH COLUMNIST AND PAID SHILL FUCKING CONFIRMED.

I'm getting schadenfreude over this. Doomcock really was looking ecstatic over his bogus little Vader video only to be shot down now that more people are realizing the snake oil scam he's pulling. This is such a pathetic level of damage control that he seems more mad at his fans than at Disney.

Oh, and for those wondering, Doomcuck the consoomer shill that he is does try and defend Dave "Sure Kathy destroy Luke so I can make my Waifu the force" Filoni and keep the fucking lie he totally isn't in on knifing the series at the end.

So yeah.

Also in response to that whinging tl;dr post on that reddit:
iT's A mOvIe AbOuT sPaCe WiZaRdS fOr ChIlDrEn

"As for Mr. Filoni, I bless him!" - Doomcuck

You can tell that he's going to go back to dickriding by his next video or blame his viewers for not being more optimistic. Also he blesses people now?

Seems to be the difference comes down to people who speak of fictional things as though they're real, and people who don't. The former kind of person often get deeply intellectually and emotionally invested in fiction, usually until something breaks the spell for them. The Disney sequels seem to have done that to a lot of Star Wars fans.

I agree. However I just have to clarify a small detail.

A percentage of fans just never got tired of reading some B-tier pulp fiction writer make up a new story about a different prop or throwaway line

Actually only two books focused on that prior to Disney (the only background ones who would become semi-recurring were Greedo, Evazan, Ponda Baba and the imperial moffs from ANH, but that last one is to be expected since the moffs are the military leaders of the Empire).

The rest were all stories or video games about Luke, the Rebels or the Empire, or characters related to them or characters who had zero connection to them who never appeared in the movies, either that or the descendants of the OT characters. The most recurring motif was that you would see aliens from the OT (and later the PT) appear throughout all of them, as well as the Force, and incorporating elements that were deleted from the film or only existed in concept art or elements from George's early drafts or Book of Whills. Eventually elements that were introduced within said later material became recurring staples of the franchise as well, like Coruscant from the Thrawn Trilogy being recognized as the capital of the civilized galaxy in the prequels.

So in a sense yes, Disney has nullified any chance SW had of being taken seriously as a believable fictional setting like Dune, Galaxity, Arda or even the parody-loving Discworld. Although one could argue that George's constant edits were already starting this, but the difference was that George was more flexible on matters outside of ANH edits and could be convinced to backtrack on something if advised directly on it, such as how he backtracked on Jar Jar being a central character in the prequels or how Filoni's continuous weeping caused him to abandon Ahsoka's onscreen death, or how he was open to the idea of being mocked for his shortcomings even by his own writers.

Something even Disney-Lucasfilm won't allow, as seen with the drama surrounding the writers of Wreck it Ralph 2 wanting to poke fun at Emo Ren but ultimately being denied the chance.

Lucasfilm Didn’t Want ‘Wreck-It Ralph 2’ Making Fun of Kylo Ren, So the Directors Had to Cut the Joke

Directors Rich Moore and Phil Johnston hoped Lucasfilm would understand the “loving satire” at the center of the “Wreck-It Ralph” sequel.

www.indiewire.com

Another thing of note is that when George did something unpopular, it was easily forgotten about or ignored by both fans and his writers or even by George himself, the only exception to this being his constant unwarranted edits of ANH, especially in the bluray releases, but even they never stopped reminding him of how questionable they were. When Disney does something dumb though, the new fans just roll over and accept it, or they start protesting but immediately roll over and embrace it as soon as another Funko pop or Darth Vader hallway clip gets released. Even the boomers and gen Xers of yesteryear who would've given George hell over anything he did then now won't even put up a fight, like that fag HelloGreedo, even when Disney makes a similar or worse blunder than George.

 

[Ishtar]

So as not to torture myself I didn’t watch the Obi wan trailer, can anyone give me a synopsis? Will stronk black waahman teach Obi wan the wonders of intersectional feminism?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

So as not to torture myself I didn’t watch the Obi wan trailer, can anyone give me a synopsis? Will stronk black waahman teach Obi wan the wonders of intersectional feminism?

She was yelling about how Vader will find him, while Uncle Owen tells Ben to get fucked.

 

[Ishtar]

She was yelling about how Vader will find him, while Uncle Owen tells Ben to get fucked.

Okay the latter is within established characterization. Still sounds like shit though.

 

[Airbrushed Van Art]

Calling it: Ben Kenobi will meet a plucky, sassy little girl who’s BIPOC and force-sensitive. He will realize that SHE’S actually the Chosen One but she’ll refuse to do the Jedi thing because “my Body, My Choice” or the equivalent and she’ll come back in another series or movie as… Mara Jade.

Edit: bonus scene of her upstaging Luke in some way. She’s a better pilot, farmer or whatever. Maybe she’s Trans. And Mark Hammil will cheer on Twitter that this is GOOD.

 

[Gede labah]

Calling it: Ben Kenobi will meet a plucky, sassy little girl who’s BIPOC and force-sensitive. He will realize that SHE’S actually the Chosen One but she’ll refuse to do the Jedi thing because “my Body, My Choice” or the equivalent and she’ll come back in another series or movie as… Mara Jade.

Edit: bonus scene of her upstaging Luke in some way. She’s a better pilot, farmer or whatever. Maybe she’s Trans. And Mark Hammil will cheer on Twitter that this is GOOD.

black mara jade fuck yeah erase and replace all redheads

 

[Ishtar]

We are so lucky the EU was decanonized, given it had so many red heads that would have been Africanized.

 

[Adamska]

black mara jade fuck yeah erase and replace all redheads

All this is teaching me are that black people should be proud to be handed the white man's sloppy seconds, similar to how they had to use the white man's sloppy seconds in books back in the days they also had to sit in the back or not buy from some stores.