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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I said a while back, after the Moskva, that losing a Grigorovich would be a hilarious blow. Between shit being sent to other fleets, and shit in for maintenence/refit it's likely the best they currently have in the Black Sea. It's also one of the few platforms they have their for launching Kalibr land attack missiles. Moreover, despite being a relatively small ship, it's another they likely can't replace. Of the original 6 planned only the first 3 made it into Russian service, with delays and construction problems the final 3 have been sold to foreign buyers.
 
I said a while back, after the Moskva, that losing a Grigorovich would be a hilarious blow. Between shit being sent to other fleets, and shit in for maintenence/refit it's likely the best they currently have in the Black Sea. It's also one of the few platforms they have their for launching Kalibr land attack missiles. Moreover, despite being a relatively small ship, it's another they likely can't replace. Of the original 6 planned only the first 3 made it into Russian service, with delays and construction problems the final 3 have been sold to foreign buyers.
Ukrainians probably read the Forbes article that dropped like 4h ago and decided, yeah, let's go for it.

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Ukrainians probably read the Forbes article that dropped like 4h ago and decided, yeah, let's go for it.

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Vice Admiral Oleksiy Neizhpapa just browsing memes and news in his office all day and begins to wonder how many more ranks he can be given if he gets a full hattrick.
 
So obviously Russia will eventually 'win' in that they'll get their dumb land corridor to whatever the fuck oil and ports but is there really an upside to getting absolutely schooled by a tiny next door neighbor (with American equipment, sure)?

Does this help Putin's poll numbers or something if he starts a quagmire?

Losing ships they can't replace, a bunch of tanks that will take forever to replace, and generally looking like fuck ups can't be helping patriotism or belief in him as a strong leader. I'm sure they cook the vote anyways but yikes.
 
fresh take from russian main propaganda source:



looks like they still try to go somwhere with the "nazi jews" thing, altho after the failure of "jews were the worst nazis" failure they now try a "nazis dont hate jews, they hate Russians"
we are this close to discovering that nazism is actually a spectrum, and a social construct, and you can actually be a non-binary demi-nazi, who in the morning identifies as a nazi, and in the evening as an agrarian anarchist.
 
they now try a "nazis dont hate jews, they hate Russians"
that has basically been the soviet position since forever: nazis are bad because nazis opposed the ussr. this sentiment goes back to long before the war itself, because a big part of the fascist worldview is anti-marxism and anti-communism, which of course makes marxists and communists hate it very much. the jew thing isn't something non-jews outside the west care about very much.
 
So obviously Russia will eventually 'win' in that they'll get their dumb land corridor to whatever the fuck oil and ports but is there really an upside to getting absolutely schooled by a tiny next door neighbor (with American equipment, sure)?

Does this help Putin's poll numbers or something if he starts a quagmire?

Losing ships they can't replace, a bunch of tanks that will take forever to replace, and generally looking like fuck ups can't be helping patriotism or belief in him as a strong leader. I'm sure they cook the vote anyways but yikes.
Nothing helps putin, he's like a cornered rat now, he has no obvious out so he's trying to bite as hard as he can.

It would have helped his numbers if everything went according to plan, 3 days, all of Ukraine, May 9th parade in Kiev, "peacekeeping operation" for years to come which would give excuses to pump cash into military machine etc.

As it is? Yeah land corridor is nice, other areas he wants are fertile land and supposedly resource rich but who gives a shit? It's a ruin that russia would have to rebuild from scratch.

Putin can't admit defeat because if he does he may as well shoot himself, most of his closest associates too so he's trying to brute force his way into anything that can be sold as a win to the russian population, anything that can make it all at least seem worth it.

It's not though. I think secondary objective is to destroy Ukrainian economy and industry and destabilize the region so they can't look better than russia does after it's over so maybe at worst they can say "We lost? Look at the state of Ukraine!"
 
The saga of sunk Moscow goes on with more jems.

If you remember that Schkrebets dude with son conscript who was MIA on Moscow ... it gets better.

JAG equivalent of Black Sea fleet gave him an official statement that cruiser Moscow DID not participate in "special op", DID not enter combat, DID not enter territorial waters of Ukraine ... hence the status of his son was upgraded to .... AWOL


This gives some credibility to Russian statements on their military losses. All those crispy critters outside burned out BTRs probably went AWOL and hence RF has no responsibility for any crimes they may have committed as well.

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that has basically been the soviet position since forever: nazis are bad because nazis opposed the ussr. this sentiment goes back to long before the war itself, because a big part of the fascist worldview is anti-marxism and anti-communism, which of course makes marxists and communists hate it very much. the jew thing isn't something non-jews outside the west care about very much.
russia has a long tradition of "muh jewish nazi Ukrainians"
this is form the 70's, supposedly:

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Francis pandered to Kirill and Putin even telling Kirill that Greek Rite Catholics (who suffered martyrdom under the Tsars and General Secretaries) and now refuses to clearly criticise Putin and Kirill. This is demoralising Ukrainian Catholics, which is WAD for Francis.

That letter to Mr Schkrebets is just mad. I can certainly see why some Russians seem to be engaged in sabotage, why they don't see how their country should die for the pique of an evil little man.
 
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So obviously Russia will eventually 'win' in that they'll get their dumb land corridor to whatever the fuck oil and ports but is there really an upside to getting absolutely schooled by a tiny next door neighbor (with American equipment, sure)?

Does this help Putin's poll numbers or something if he starts a quagmire?

Losing ships they can't replace, a bunch of tanks that will take forever to replace, and generally looking like fuck ups can't be helping patriotism or belief in him as a strong leader. I'm sure they cook the vote anyways but yikes.

Really its reaching the point the Russians probably wont win even with a declaration of war and conscripting everyone to go fight. There's no fucking equipment worth shit to give to them. The old armouries were corruption riddled and were sending plate carriers out with rotted out cotton and rusted steel, the tyres are dry rotting, the tanks performing woefully and no real pool to establish supremacy in either the ground or the air.

Long term they'll lost most of their gas customers, especially if the deals with Nigeria come through and the Nigerians at this point are probably less corrupt than the Russians or Ukranians. They want to replace Russia with their own natural gas which is probably easier exploitable and has a more friendly government about willing to sell.

A lot of the equipment they're losing (and again, losing to a former serfdom of theirs) is going to be hard if not impossible to replace, especially the more advanced equipment.
 
russia has a long tradition of "muh jewish nazi Ukrainians"
this is form the 70's, supposedly:

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This goes back to Israel doing 180 after post-WWII friendship (USSR was one of the first countries to recognize Israel and shipped assload of Nazi guns/airplanes they captured to Israel) to fight British and allies.

While Soviets were pumping weapons and being friendly to arabs, Israel switched alliances from USSR to Anglos (who were initially against Israel (Palestine was UK protectorate))

During late USSR "zionism" was a dirty word thing and Israel did not have a full embassy, only consulate on some side street in Moscow.



Francis pandered to Kirill and Putin even telling Kirill that Greek Rite Catholics (who suffered martyrdom under the Tsars and General Secretaries) and now refuses to clearly criticise Putin and Kirill. This is demoralising Ukrainian Catholics, which is WAD for Francis.

They are Orthodox "Byzantine rights" ... basically Byzantine/Greek/Russian/ orthodox whose spiritual leader is Pope. They are NOT Western catholics and can not commune in Roman Catholic church.

The whole point of it was that head of Russian orthodox church was a political figure who pushed pro-Russian agenda for literally centuries, so many Ukrainians wanted nothing to do with Russia and looked West. This has been going on a while.
 
Long term they'll lost most of their gas customers, especially if the deals with Nigeria come through and the Nigerians at this point are probably less corrupt than the Russians or Ukranians. They want to replace Russia with their own natural gas which is probably easier exploitable and has a more friendly government about willing to sell.
this is delusional. having a million tanker ships carry gas from nigeria to europe would result in something like triple the price compared to russian pipelines. plus, in the long term it would just make europe dependent on africans instead of vatniks for their energy needs, not a great outlook either.

the more solid approach would be to phase out gas as a power source entirely. replace gas cooking ovens with electric ones, replace gas power plants with nuclear, and replace gas heating with district heating. you'd still need gas for chemical industry, but that's a lot less volume and a lot less intertwined with critical infrastructure than energy itself. maybe scrap the eco retard regulations that make gas exploration and fracking illegal so you can cover your chem industry demand with domestic sources.
 
The saga of sunk Moscow goes on with more jems.

If you remember that Schkrebets dude with son conscript who was MIA on Moscow ... it gets better.

JAG equivalent of Black Sea fleet gave him an official statement that cruiser Moscow DID not participate in "special op", DID not enter combat, DID not enter territorial waters of Ukraine ... hence the status of his son was upgraded to .... AWOL


This gives some credibility to Russian statements on their military losses. All those crispy critters outside burned out BTRs probably went AWOL and hence RF has no responsibility for any crimes they may have committed as well.

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Operation: We're not there II Electric Bogaloo

Guess Kremlin isn't too keen on paying out the gibs to the families that stir shit and refuse to STFU so they found an out of that agreement.
 
This goes back to Israel doing 180 after post-WWII friendship (USSR was one of the first countries to recognize Israel and shipped assload of Nazi guns/airplanes they captured to Israel) to fight British and allies.

While Soviets were pumping weapons and being friendly to arabs, Israel switched alliances from USSR to Anglos (who were initially against Israel (Palestine was UK protectorate))

During late USSR "zionism" was a dirty word thing and Israel did not have a full embassy, only consulate on some side street in Moscow.




They are Orthodox "Byzantine rights" ... basically Byzantine/Greek/Russian/ orthodox whose spiritual leader is Pope. They are NOT Western catholics and can not commune in Roman Catholic church.

The whole point of it was that head of Russian orthodox church was a political figure who pushed pro-Russian agenda for literally centuries, so many Ukrainians wanted nothing to do with Russia and looked West. This has been going on a while.
They aren't Latins, altho there are some Latin Catholics in Ukraine. The Latin bishops requested the recent Fatima Consecration.

Greek Rite Catholic is preferred in English to Uniate. Their liturgy was modified or cleared of Latinism like Rosary after V2 and the Major Archbishop has for decades, even before V2, been made a Cardinal. Francis has patently not done so. They like the Albanese Eparchy of southern Italy have their own bishops but are more integrated than some Church of the East communities. Their situation might be slightly comparable to the Maronites whose head becomes a Cardinal, altho unlike them, Orthodox jurisdictions are an obvious majority in Ukraine.

There is also the Society of St Josaphat which refused to accept the removal of the Rzeczpospolita era customs. They're connected to the SSPX who also rejected post V2 changes. Greek Catholic bishops in Ukraine seem very hostile to them. There's also a small one village sect in an old neo classical Orthodox monastery who have rejected all Popes from the time of John XXIII. They pioneered sedevacantism. I cannot recall their name. They accept the headship of a Pope but not the present Popes. It is interesting.

The Putin state shouldn't be mean over 10,000 rubles, but they seem to be. Moskva was at the heart of the Snake island operation. What brain wave is making deny what's on a freaking postage stamp?
 
Really its reaching the point the Russians probably wont win even with a declaration of war and conscripting everyone to go fight. There's no fucking equipment worth shit to give to them. The old armouries were corruption riddled and were sending plate carriers out with rotted out cotton and rusted steel, the tyres are dry rotting, the tanks performing woefully and no real pool to establish supremacy in either the ground or the air.

Long term they'll lost most of their gas customers, especially if the deals with Nigeria come through and the Nigerians at this point are probably less corrupt than the Russians or Ukranians. They want to replace Russia with their own natural gas which is probably easier exploitable and has a more friendly government about willing to sell.

A lot of the equipment they're losing (and again, losing to a former serfdom of theirs) is going to be hard if not impossible to replace, especially the more advanced equipment.

I think in a purely manpower sense Ukraine can't fight Russia as long as Russia can fight Ukraine.

All the high powered equipment in the world won't matter when Russia seems entirely willing to do what Russia always does and human meatgrinder the problem away.

Even if Ukraine 'wins' now, the resulting lack of manpower and fucked up infrastructure (and massive refugee crisis) means that Russia can sit and wait another five to ten years and try again, as it seems unlikely anything will change that will prevent them from doing so (Ukraine to NATO, etc).

Low morale doesn't matter when there's unlikely to be a regime change and Russia fatalism in general means that their troops will probably just be increasingly sad about being shot up by farmers but continue to go get shot up by farmers.

Russia seems willing to glass the place with conventional weapons so sooner or later they'll at least get their shitty highway that'll likely just end up being a haven for IEDs for 20 years.
 
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