Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

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  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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Its also counter intuitive to assume Russia is fully in control of the situation at this point. They are in no position to dictate terms to Ukraine right now. If they really did "draw down" and seek more limited objectives, then that is really stupid. They aimed for the king and missed. Russia can't just say "objectives achieved, war over" like they did in 2014. Any end to the war has to involve Ukraine stopping its attacks on Russia too. Failing to decapitate Ukraines government and also failing to defeat their army in the field means Ukraine has no incentive to stop the war. Russia is stuck. Even if on May 9th they declare victory and say the war is over, I guarantee on May 10 Ukraine will continue to shell Russian positions and another 100 Russian soldiers will be sent home in a box. Pretty hard to tell your people you've won when every day after victory brings more dead soldiers, more video of blown up tanks, and more sunk warships.

Russia has to win this, or admit defeat. They are in no position for half measures. On that note, interesting war map update. The Russian village of Valkovskyi in Belgorod region has come under artillery fire from Ukraine.
Remember what Obongo said about Sleepy Joe: "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up". And before you tell me about his very capable administration, remember this is what is running our government:
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Russia should nuke us to put us out of our misery based on this alone.
 
Russia has to win this, or admit defeat. They are in no position for half measures.
russia's growing more totalitarian by the day, one effect of that is that the government has extreme power over public narratives due to its direct control over the media. using that, it is relatively easy for them to agree to a mediocre compromise and ceasefire, and spin it as a great victory in the home media.

however, at the present i don't see such a compromise being reached. as long as russia still believes that it can achieve victory by force, it won't consider other options. and by the time russia realizes that victory by force is not feasible, it will already be too late because at that point the ukrainians will see that victory by force is possible for them, so they will not stop fighting unless russia retreats from their territory.
 
Russian’s demands at the beginning of the war were quite reasonable to any neutral observers. Now after the intensity of the conflict, I don’t think it is reasonable to expect they would give up land they secured in the south, as they accomplished the goals of turning the water back on in Crimea and securing a land route to the Donbas. So starting a negotiation with “even if they give back every meter” really just means that you want to continue the meat grinder of destroying the Ukranian country. Worse, when most of the pro-Ukraine side extends this to all of the Donbas and Crimea regions. Delusional.

This claim that “well we can’t trust Russia just because” doesn’t work when your own demands are so unreasonable that they defy reality. How do you really expect the civilian population of Crimea to be ruled by a Ukranian government after everything that has passed? This is a government that tried to starve them to death as a diplomatic measure.
It's like saying a guy trying to stab you for your wallet deserves some of your money because you beat him up instead of just surrendering. Also BS on the "reasonable demands", Russia annexes a part of Ukraine and we should ignore that fact and how it paints every future interaction between the two countries because Russia dindu nuffing.
Lol, now talk about delusional. The west wouldn’t throw a few more billion dollars in aid for a trade deal in 2013 which is what started this whole thing in the first place. And conditions in the West have continued to deteriorate as all countries struggle with a high unemployment rate, high inflation, and increased debt to gdp ratio. If anything you will you see western corps asset stripping Ukraine’s economy and resource to redeem their war debt.

Western Europe will indeed be looking to send the refugees back, but the longer the war continues the more opportunities that people will have to put down roots, whether it is from securing job sponsorships or the cock carousel.
Eastern Europe however much they bitch could probably use the influx of young people and now they have the perfect counter to the German Chancellor and Brussels when they bitch that they don’t accept refugees. Their refugee count now exceeds the West so it’s back to Germany and France to take the next wave of African migrants
It's guesswork, but I think western countries will want to ride over a Ukrainian "victory" (whatever that entails) with help on rebuilding, especially if that will get the population to forget about how shit the situation at home is. If midway the global economy collapses then Ukraine wouldn't be much worse than any country with zero industry due to sending it all to China.
 
russia's growing more totalitarian by the day, one effect of that is that the government has extreme power over public narratives due to its direct control over the media. using that, it is relatively easy for them to agree to a mediocre compromise and ceasefire, and spin it as a great victory in the home media.

however, at the present i don't see such a compromise being reached. as long as russia still believes that it can achieve victory by force, it won't consider other options. and by the time russia realizes that victory by force is not feasible, it will already be too late because at that point the ukrainians will see that victory by force is possible for them, so they will not stop fighting unless russia retreats from their territory.
I have to wonder how long Russia can realistically maintain this tempo. The amount of supplies being expended here has to be astronomical. I know those old soviet stockpiles of Grad rockets are huge, but they aren't infinite. The Units involved in this fight have been going pretty much non stop for the last 3 months too. They are going to have to be cycled out and replaced at some point. But the only units that could replace them are the vastly inferior Conscript or Reserve units.
 
I have to wonder how long Russia can realistically maintain this tempo. The amount of supplies being expended here has to be astronomical. I know those old soviet stockpiles of Grad rockets are huge, but they aren't infinite. The Units involved in this fight have been going pretty much non stop for the last 3 months too. They are going to have to be cycled out and replaced at some point. But the only units that could replace them are the vastly inferior Conscript or Reserve units.
It has been rumored that if they do dip into their Reserve units that they're just going to be glorified meat shields used to buy time so other proper units can regroup.
 
I have to wonder how long Russia can realistically maintain this tempo. The amount of supplies being expended here has to be astronomical. I know those old soviet stockpiles of Grad rockets are huge, but they aren't infinite
Grad rockets are piss easy and dirt cheap to make. A single rocket is 300 dollars, which means it's probably even cheaper due to low manpower costs in Russia. It probably doesn't take very long for a well equipped factory to make one. Even the Soviet Union managed to make millions of similar rockets, and they weren't particularly rich or competent.

Remember that Russia was the second largest firearms exporter in the world. Uralvagonzavod alone can make around 300 T-72s a year. They have more than enough ammunition factories working over time to feed a relatively low-scale war, they've been planning for a war with NATO for all these years, not a war with a single country. If they weren't able to feed 10 million troops ammunition, then there wouldn't even be a point.

The Units involved in this fight have been going pretty much non stop for the last 3 months too
The troops are obviously being rotated. Not only did the ones from Kyiv have plenty of rest before being re-activated, but the absence of any large pushes should tell you that 90% of them are resting most of the time. Most Russian attacks are probing attacks, and don't require large swathes of manpower in any case.

But the only units that could replace them are the vastly inferior Conscript or Reserve units.
Russia has 1 million active personnel. If reserve units were actually activated, they'd be to guard borders, headquarters and generally do what the 800,000 not activated troops are doing, which is mostly nothing. They're nowhere close to having to use reservists or conscripts.


People on the internet really have to stop thinking they should have access to knowledge like unit rotation and how much rest each soldier gets. The Russian military isn't going to put out a Buzzfeed article about it. You will never know 100%, you can only infer from the fact that it would be retarded not to rotate your units especially when this can be done fairly safely.
 
People on the internet really have to stop thinking they should have access to knowledge like unit rotation and how much rest each soldier gets. The Russian military isn't going to put out a Buzzfeed article about it. You will never know 100%, you can only infer from the fact that it would be retarded not to rotate your units especially when this can be done fairly safely.
i think before they start thinking about bringing in conscripts, they would bring in rosgvardia units first, no?
 
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They are in no position to dictate terms to Ukraine right now. If they really did "draw down" and seek more limited objectives, then that is really stupid. They aimed for the king and missed. Russia can't just say "objectives achieved, war over" like they did in 2014.
They aren’t doing that. I think Russia is pretty well aware of how delusional Ukraine is going to be moving forward, so the war is being deescalated to something more akin to the Israel Palestine situation, where Russia knows they have a disputed border that they can periodically make incursions into and an artillery wasteland as a buffer zone between them.

Once again you are falling into this binary thinking that Russia has to throw absolutely everything they have into this war or “just leave”. I don’t think a western Liberal physically has the mental ability to think outside of this box, so this might be falling on deaf ears. Look this has been explained a million times in this thread. Russia doesn’t have the ability to just print money into a war machine like the US was able to do in Iraq. It is literally the stated objective by top brass in the Pentagon and numerous Thinktanks, NGOs, that they want to draw Russia into a major war where they expend all of their money and resources. This is a trap, and Russia knows it. All these tough-sounding talking points you are repeating from the Western Press serve a purpose.

As far as “declare victory and leave” there is no terms that the US is going to allow that are favorable to Russia. Even if they concede Donbas, Ukraine will just attack Crimea, even if they concede Crimea (they wont), Russia will just look forward to more independence movements and color revolutions in the caucus and Siberia. So “just leave” isn’t an option either.

So Israel / Palestine it is. Russia doesn’t care about losing a few hundred guys here or there. So that’s not a prohibitory measure. The one ace Ukraine has up its sleeve is the ability to use Western intelligence and attack high value targets like the Moscva. This is a major thorn in Russia’s side for sure, and they are certainly wracking with how to deal with it. But it’s not exactly going to cause the implosion of the Russian government.
 
They aren’t doing that. I think Russia is pretty well aware of how delusional Ukraine is going to be moving forward, so the war is being deescalated to something more akin to the Israel Palestine situation, where Russia knows they have a disputed border that they can periodically make incursions into and an artillery wasteland as a buffer zone between them.

Once again you are falling into this binary thinking that Russia has to throw absolutely everything they have into this war or “just leave”. I don’t think a western Liberal physically has the mental ability to think outside of this box, so this might be falling on deaf ears. Look this has been explained a million times in this thread. Russia doesn’t have the ability to just print money into a war machine like the US was able to do in Iraq. It is literally the stated objective by top brass in the Pentagon and numerous Thinktanks, NGOs, that they want to draw Russia into a major war where they expend all of their money and resources. This is a trap, and Russia knows it. All these tough-sounding talking points you are repeating from the Western Press serve a purpose.

As far as “declare victory and leave” there is no terms that the US is going to allow that are favorable to Russia. Even if they concede Donbas, Ukraine will just attack Crimea, even if they concede Crimea (they wont), Russia will just look forward to more independence movements and color revolutions in the caucus and Siberia. So “just leave” isn’t an option either.

So Israel / Palestine it is. Russia doesn’t care about losing a few hundred guys here or there. So that’s not a prohibitory measure. The one ace Ukraine has up its sleeve is the ability to use Western intelligence and attack high value targets like the Moscva. This is a major thorn in Russia’s side for sure, and they are certainly wracking with how to deal with it. But it’s not exactly going to cause the implosion of the Russian government.
When dude with a Mongol name and avatar is defending Russia.
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It has been rumored that if they do dip into their Reserve units that they're just going to be glorified meat shields used to buy time so other proper units can regroup.
well that's pretty much what Ukraine's been doing with much of its mercs/conscripts. Flush out those ruskie positions freedom fighters!
I'm starting to notice that some Ukies have green armbands. What type of soldier does that represent? So far I know that yellow guys are militia and blue guys are marines or special forces (link 1, link 2, link 3)

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Green armbands are Kharkiv region btw. Yellow was central ukraine and blue was donbass region by my best guess.
 
It's like saying a guy trying to stab you for your wallet deserves some of your money because you beat him up instead of just surrendering. Also BS on the "reasonable demands", Russia annexes a part of Ukraine and we should ignore that fact and how it paints every future interaction between the two countries because Russia dindu nuffing
Territorial concessions are a fact of life and especially eastern europe. Every single Eastern European state was born from making concessions to its neighbors, often after brutal wars and genocides. The reason Lithuanians and Polish don’t seethe over it anymore is because they don’t have a massive propaganda apparatus continuing to rile them up.

As far as Ukraine is concerned, the pro-Ukraine side should have realized territorial concessions would be in the works as soon as they overthrew the elected government during euromaiden. As soon as that happened, “Ukraine” ceased being what it was, a neutral moderate state born just recently from negotiations and compromise, and became something entirely different. That not everybody in the country was going to go along with. By not acknowledging this basic fact, Ukraine itself became an aggressor.
 
the war is being deescalated to something more akin to the Israel Palestine situation
the israel palestine situation only came about after the israelis achieved total victory in the first arab israeli war, and every repeat war after that as well.
if creating a situation like that was russias goal, it would actually have to capture and demilitarize all ukraine first, then release parts of it as a semi autonomous demilitarized rump state.
 
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