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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Leftist makes a retarded take and receives a genuine response that is a expecting mother grieving her child.
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(Link) (Archive) - He also proceeds to be a faggot in the replies with an "intellectual" edge. Typical internet atheist shit.

I've seen a lot of women go through miscarriages, more then I reasonably should. It's devastating on the families and the expecting mothers and it's a terrible thing to be callous about. Leftists are always touted as the party of empathy and compassion, then they pull shit like this.
What a complete worthless piece of shit. Hey he clearly doesn't have any perceiver/dreamer/mind either and yet I'd advocate for a dignified burial even for his useless corpse. I'd even express sympathy to his mother.

Emotional retardation aside, these guys are simply in denial of proven, well-documented reality. If you want to see a 12 week gestation baby you can find photos online from miscarriages and medical journals. You can even still go to the science museum in a lot of places and see one floating in a jar. Clearly observable are fully formed digits, eyelids, facial features. If you have had a child you have seen ultrasound photos showing all the same, and your wife has felt distinct fluttering movements of the child from early in the second trimester.

In later miscarriages and extreme premature births (the line becomes blurry) the child tries to gasp for air but due to a lack of maturation in the lungs, does so futilely. Yet you will see them try even as early as 16 weeks.

None of this is "pro life mythology" it's all common knowledge to people who work in OB or NICU. It's easy to find out these true facts. Yet pro aborts insist that babies remain soulless blobs until some time after birth. I had one ask me once if the children in the NICU "look like humans." Yeah just a little bit:

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I think it's his goal and TBF, he's good at it. This is getting ridiculous though. It's not one post getting a ton of salt it's 16 posts in pages 146-150. That's like 3.2 posts per page or 16% of all posts.
Dude hasn’t been fun for a long time, and I say that as someone who’s been here as long as he has. I wonder sometimes if there was some sort of trauma in his personal life, and the screaming about fundies like it’s 2004 or some shit is some kind coping mechanism to help bring him back to happier times.

It’s actually quite depressing.
 
Leftist makes a retarded take and receives a genuine response that is a expecting mother grieving her child.
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(Link) (Archive) - He also proceeds to be a faggot in the replies with an "intellectual" edge. Typical internet atheist shit.

I've seen a lot of women go through miscarriages, more then I reasonably should. It's devastating on the families and the expecting mothers and it's a terrible thing to be callous about. Leftists are always touted as the party of empathy and compassion, then they pull shit like this.
4 month old infants can't fucking make decisions either, so the parents shouldn't care that it died, whatever, lol. Piss off.
 
Leftist makes a retarded take and receives a genuine response that is a expecting mother grieving her child.
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(Link) (Archive) - He also proceeds to be a faggot in the replies with an "intellectual" edge. Typical internet atheist shit.

I've seen a lot of women go through miscarriages, more then I reasonably should. It's devastating on the families and the expecting mothers and it's a terrible thing to be callous about. Leftists are always touted as the party of empathy and compassion, then they pull shit like this.
ACKTCHUALLYing about the death of someone else's child merits being bludgeoned with a rubber mallet.
 
A human being's cognitive activity changes throughout life. That doesn't make the human being less human when its cognition is at a low point. We care more about cognition in potentia. If you're in a motorcycle accident and it renders you unconscious, but there is hope that you'll wake up, you receive medical care. If there's no hope, you get carved up and your organs go to people who don't ride motorcycles. So I don't buy the argument that you can abort an unborn child because it isn't a big brain thinker. That's inconsistent with how we treat everyone else the rest of the time.
 
ACKTCHUALLYing about the death of someone else's child merits being bludgeoned with a rubber mallet.
That is the problem. They do not see a child, it is just a clump of cells that is leeching off the woman who supports it physically and soon to be the man financially. Let it die. It is useless and of negative value.
 
That is the problem. They do not see a child, it is just a clump of cells that is leeching off the woman who supports it physically and soon to be the man financially. Let it die. It is useless and of negative value.
I mean, this is telling of what they think about themselves.
 
A human being's cognitive activity changes throughout life. That doesn't make the human being less human when its cognition is at a low point. We care more about cognition in potentia. If you're in a motorcycle accident and it renders you unconscious, but there is hope that you'll wake up, you receive medical care. If there's no hope, you get carved up and your organs go to people who don't ride motorcycles. So I don't buy the argument that you can abort an unborn child because it isn't a big brain thinker. That's inconsistent with how we treat everyone else the rest of the time.
"It doesn't have consciousness" is like saying it's okay to kill a sleeping person.
 
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DISAGREE!
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This man is a Leftist FAGGOT. Both of them are faggots.

Why SCOTUS Should Put the Issue Of Abortion Back to the States

Regardless of how autistic you feel about abortions or how much you love you sister and mother ( @Hollywood Hulk Hogan ) you should agree that moving the question to the states was the correct action for SCOTUS. Not only is this the correct action for SCOTUS but I propose that it is the only option the Court has to distance itself from partisanship. Lets not lie to ourselves, the issue of abortion is highly controversial with many valid points. Throughout history. the people of the United States have had to deal with similar situations be it slavery, interracial marriage, suffrage, second amendment rights, or segregation.

Yet when one looks at the debate surrounding these issues we see that they lack the fervor that currently surrounds abortion. So why is that?

I believe that partly, its because we have these discussions and reached general agreement on such issues. With slavery, we fought our own "brothers" over such an issue. Later, we have a had hard and bitter debate of slavery that will make what is posted on this Kiwi Farms news topic tame. That culminated in the 13th Amendment. On the matters of the basic equality for Blacks that were recently freed, even more heated debates were had. The fruit of that was the 14th Amendment. Women marched and spoke for the right to vote. It was not easy or without conflict, but in the end they were rewarded with 19th Amendment. Even regarding firearms and the controversy that surrounds them, we have the Second Amendment to refer to. The 2A too was subject to debate when this nation was founded. In essence, we TALKED to each other. We pleaded with our fellow citizen to see our point of view and though some disagreed, a consensus was reached.

Now look at Roe, Casey, and Dobbs, we did not reach the significant consensus needed for a Constitutional Amendment. We have not even reached a simple consensus in our many states. Some may say that national opinion says this or that, but we are not a pure democracy. We are a federal republic where each state experiments with democracy and governance as it sees fit. The support needed among the states for a Constitutional amendment protecting access to abortions simply is not there.

Such, don't lie to yourself and believe it should be the settled law across the our Great nation. I understand passing laws are hard. Passing a Constitutional amendment is even harder, but it has been done in the past and can be done again.

Just do not rely on the saving graces of the members of the Supreme Court. We are asking them to decide a matter that has not reached consensus and is deeply controversial. Thus, we have brought darkest stain politics into their courtroom. The court becomes political with certain rights teetering on death of a justice, the President in office, or how Congress is constituted. I don't want that and I don't believe anyone wants that. Imagine, if instead of the toil our national ancestors underwent to pass these amendments they just relied on ever more creative interpretations and extrapolations of the Bill of Right as passed in 1791. That road is fraught with peril. In closing, I hope you see why by moving this matter to the States; de-politicizes the court and is in the best interest of our nation.

“Persuade your fellow citizens it’s a good idea and pass a law. That’s what democracy is all about. It’s not about nine superannuated judges who have been there too long, imposing these demands on society.”
-Antonin Scalia
 
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Regardless of how autistic you feel about abortions or how much you love you sister and mother ( @Hollywood Hulk Hogan ) you should agree that moving the question to the states was the correct action for SCOTUS. Not only is this the correct action for SCOTUS but I propose that it is the only option the Court has to distance itself from partisanship. Lets not lie to ourselves, the issue of abortion is highly controversial with many valid points. Throughout history. the people of the United States have had to deal with similar situation be it slavery, interracial marriage, suffrage, second amendment rights, or segregation.
Nah, "states rights" folks usually just want the state to be able to discriminate against those who they dislike. There's a senator from Indiana trying to remove federal protect for interracial marriage. Gay marriage will be next. Hell, Louisiana is trying to make using an IUD a criminal offense akin to murder. Abortion is a medical procedure, and leaving it to states is going to make shit like that (in Louisiana). If we left it up to "states rights", we'd still have slavery, being gay would still be a felony, and other bad shit like that (yes, I know most alt-right manlets on Kiwi Farms are okay with that because they're retards stuck in the 1700s).

That is why we need federal protections. If you don't like abortion, that's fine. Don't get one then. Hell, campaign for better welfare and medical coverage for poor mothers and maybe they won't feel the need to get one.

It's even worse when they're undoing previous rulings. That opens up a whole lot of floodgates you Republicans aren't gonna like down the line. When shit happens in a decade and we've all moved on from Kiwi Farms, just remember that the Hulkster told you so and was right yet again

Oh, and sharing memes and comics is lame but this sums it up, too. You Republican boomers don't give a fuck about the baby or you'd be pushing for universal healthcare to help save the baby once it's born:
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You just want to punish women who have sex because you're puritanical evangelical boomers
 
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