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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Sorry if this has already been posted, but Russian cult researchers have found evidence that Ukraine is harnessing black magic to combat Russian forces.

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'Witches and Sorcerers': Russian Media Peddles Ukraine Black Magic Claims​

BY ISABEL VAN BRUGEN ON 5/6/22 AT 9:42 AM EDT
On Friday, Russian media again peddled claims that Ukraine is using "black magic" against President Vladimir Putin's forces in the ongoing war.

Ukrainian "authorities do not mind flirting with evil forces," Russian pro-Kremlin news website life.ru claimed in an article titled: Abductions, robbery, extortion: How the Nazis hunted the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine.

The article accused Oleksiy Arestovych, military adviser to Ukraine's presidency, of calling on Ukrainian witches and sorcerers to conduct occult rites after Putin launched his invasion in February.
An "occult community" responded to Arestovych's calls, and a ritual was carried out by sorcerers in Ukraine's western Ternopil region, the outlet said.

"Officials and security forces of Ukraine sometimes behave like witches and sorcerers," it continued.

The article cited Russian state-run media outlet RIA Novosti's claims earlier this week that Ukraine is using "black magic" to thwart Putin's invasion.
That report said "signs" of black magic were found at the Ukrainian artillery headquarters on the outskirts of a village called Trekhizbenka in the Luhansk region, and published images of what it called a "satanic seal" that was allegedly found on the walls of a military unit's headquarters.

"For example, at the headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the village of Trekhizbenka (LPR), an occult inscription was found, which may indicate the occupation of Ukrainian servicemen with black magic," Life.ru reported.

RIA Novosti cited cult researcher Ekaterina Dyce as claiming that the sign allegedly found on the walls of Ukrainian military headquarters is a magical sigil (symbol) "consisting of many intersecting lines."

Dyce claimed the sign is a "magic seal of dark forces" that combines elements of anarchy, weapons and fascist symbols, and noted that it was drawn in one continuous hand movement. This indicates its "occult nature," she said.


"What it means is difficult to say for sure, in it you can see both the inverted sign of anarchy and part of the sign "CC", rune zig, it is clearly visible in the far left sector of the circle, and the Hebrew letter 'zayin' written in German, meaning sword or weapon," Dyce said.

The news outlet also claimed that authorities found a blood-covered document inside the building.

"There were blood stripes on the document, despite the fact that there were no such traces anywhere else," the report said.

Newsweek has been unable to independently verify the claims.

Newsweek has reached out to Russian authorities and Ukraine's Ministry of Foreign Affairs for comment.
 
Joe will sign Land-Lease bill on ..... May 9th ... trololololo

Monke had to scale down his parade, meawhile Zelensky & Co are allready browsing first volume of 1000 pages catalog of guns and gear.



U.S. President Joe Biden will sign the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act on Monday, May 9.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki said this at a briefing on Friday, Ukrinform reports.
The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act was passed last month by both chambers of the U.S. Congress. The Senate unanimously supported the document on April 6, and the House of Representatives voted for the measure on April 28. According to the procedure, the President of the United States has 60 days to sign the bill after he receives it.
As reported, the document allows the U.S. president to use the military lend-lease program to speed up the transfer of weapons, military equipment, medicines, food, etc. to Ukraine. It is expected that the recipient country will pay their cost later.
The military lend-lease program was used during World War II. It allowed the United States to provide weapons to its allies quickly.

 
Dmitry Medvedev went on telegram to do some Industrial Grade Projection at Poland

The Poles proclaimed the division of Ukraine

Polish President Andrzej Duda
officially recognized territorial claims to Ukraine. The masks have been dropped.
He stated that there would no longer be a border between Poland and Ukraine for decades, or even centuries.
O sancta simplicitas!

He chose a more than suitable occasion for this statement - National Constitution Day. The national self-consciousness of the Poles has clearly strengthened against the backdrop of the deepest crisis in the neighboring country, exhausted by the bastard rule of the Kyiv regime. And along with it, territorial appetites are steadily growing.

Western Ukraine will be a welcome acquisition for the hungry return of the lands of Poland. Of course, under the veil of beautiful words about eternal brotherhood. But what will the resigned Ukrainian neighbor do for the sake of an illusory dream of a happy life under the umbrella of the European Union.

However, do not flatter yourself and indulge in vain dreams. Whatever spells this same Duda cast, we are talking about the actual annexation by Poland of the territories of Western Ukraine. The soil is being probed slowly but surely. The phantom pains of former greatness, which have tormented the Poles for several centuries, have not disappeared anywhere. The task is simple - to regain the coveted historical lands, hiding behind aggressive anti-Russian rhetoric and false mantras about common happiness with “borderless” Ukraine. To avenge the numerous partitions of Poland.

It is clear that this imaginary brotherhood will not bring anything to the Ukrainians themselves, except for the final loss of their statehood.
Or maybe that's what they want?

P.S. Most people in Poland believe that Polish soldiers should take part in a peacekeeping mission in Ukraine if it is organized by NATO, the UN or the EU.
According to a survey by the IBRiS laboratory, 56.8% of respondents support the deployment of troops to Ukrainian territory.
Q.E.D.
Particulairly interesting, IMO, is this part:
"The phantom pains of former greatness, which have tormented the Poles for several centuries, have not disappeared anywhere. The task is simple - to regain the coveted historical lands, hiding behind aggressive anti-Russian rhetoric and false mantras about common happiness with “borderless” Ukraine. To avenge the numerous partitions of Poland.

It is clear that this imaginary brotherhood will not bring anything to the Ukrainians themselves, except for the final loss of their statehood."


Like, motherfucker, is there not a single mirror in the whole of kremlin?

Edit: Also:
"Polish President Andrzej Duda officially recognized territorial claims to Ukraine. The masks have been dropped.
He stated that there would no longer be a border between Poland and Ukraine for decades, or even centuries."


Does this retard know what Shengen is, if UA joined the EU there really wouldn't be a border between the two countries but I guess the concept of EU also goes over the heads of kremlintards who treat every "Republic" under their wings as a wiping rag, source of actual slave labor and cannon fodder and free grain.
I knew they were gonna try this play, you could kind of see Putin trying to plant this seed in his big "Why Ukraine is fake and gay" essay. I dunno if anyone remembers this, but on the night of the invasion all Ukraine's governent sites were hacked and there was a message up that was included in Polish that was like:

"We've stolen all your information, prepare for the worst, we will have revenge for Wołyn and Galicia and Polesie and all our historical lands"

And I was like, holy shit, are they really trying to make it look like Poland is the one invading? The Russian playbook is so predictable and yet so bizarre, I really don't know who they're trying to convince sometimes.
 
Everyday, Catholic peeps must feel like stupid assholes knowing the Waldensians and Episcopalians were the actually correct branch.
The Episcopalians are dying, and the Waldensians are dead. It's hard for Catholics to defect to their ranks when there is nothing to defect to. Aside from them, there's the thousands of Protestant branches that still argue with each other, the Anglican Church which is also dying, and the two sides of the Orthodox Church split: one side (Kirill's) simps for Russia, the other side led by the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew wants to reunite with Catholicism, because he and Pope Francis are friends.......

So Catholics wishing to leave Catholicism can choose to join dying churches, choose to join Protestant groups that bicker and argue like dogs, join the part of the Orthodox Church that simps for Moscow, or join the part of the Orthodox Church that will later reunite with Catholicism anyways.........

This pope might legitimately be one of the last, between churches in western europe becoming completely LGBT+ focused or turning into mosques, shitloads of priests being pedos and pissing off everyone in eastern europe by trying to visit putin so he can wash his feet like he did refugees in 2016 catholicism might really get another great schism that will finally put nails into it's coffin.
When the war started, the Pope showed solidarity and support for Ukraine, but then he condemns NATO for being warlike. Pope Francis is trying to play both sides, which never works:


But to be fair, that came after his original statement blaming NATO for the war and asking for Putin to dialogue with him to help end the war.


When he got nothing but crickets, he reverted back to "fuck Russia" mode and called Kirill Putin's bitch altar boy.



So basically, the NATO side will hate him for saying that NATO provoked Russia into war, and the Russians will hate him for insinuating that their patriach is Putin's little bitch.

To be fair to His Holiness, NATO was rather hawkish in its language concerning Russia. But to be fair to NATO, what part of the former Soviet block doesn't want to join them?

Next time, Holy Father, pick a side, and stick with it. This was about as stupid as when the Papacy supported the French and their Protestant allies against the Hapsburg Empire which was fighting FOR CATHOLICISM. Or when Pope Pius IX refused to lead or support the Italian Nationalist movement, even though the leaders of said movement were begging him to be the leader of a united Italy. Some popes can make rather stupid mistakes, like how the first one denied Christ three times in the span of a single night.
 
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I knew they were gonna try this play, you could kind of see Putin trying to plant this seed in his big "Why Ukraine is fake and gay" essay. I dunno if anyone remembers this, but on the night of the invasion all Ukraine's governent sites were hacked and there was a message up that was included in Polish that was like:

"We've stolen all your information, prepare for the worst, we will have revenge for Wołyn and Galicia and Polesie and all our historical lands"

And I was like, holy shit, are they really trying to make it look like Poland is the one invading? The Russian playbook is so predictable and yet so bizarre, I really don't know who they're trying to convince sometimes.
There were many attempts long before the war to dig up any and all historical happenings between Poland and Ukraine and use them to divide the two, despite the fact that before, idk, 2014? most of those issues were buried or only talked about by historians and people who survived them, many narrative pushes from various nationalist groups, Wolyn, Bandera, Lviv being Polish etc. you could have called in an information war but looking back, I guess whoever was running those particular gay ops was very similar to people polling Ukrainians whether they support russia or to hire agents in Ukraine and only used 1-5% of granted funds towards the goal while spending the rest on a yacht, hookers and krokodil then went back to kremlin and said "*hic* Yes uncle putin, mission accomplished, they hate each other now, *hic* Poles will invade Lviv anyday now opening a window for our usual tactics of invading someone to protect them from invaders AND themselves, *hic*".

Edit: IMO Russians have a simple problem, their tactics when it comes to war, whether physical, psychological or propagandist have not evolved in any way since WW2 so everything they do is transparent as fuck to anyone who skimmed a history book.

Edit II: I randomly recalled something from a few years back.

Makes what Medvedev said that much more pathetic. Guess they're angry Poland didn't take the offer.

Article - Business Insider - Dated Oct 21, 2014

REPORT: Putin Offered Poland's Prime Minister The Chance To Join Forces And Partition Ukraine

Russian President Vladimir Putin allegedly tried to tempt Poland into invading Ukraine with the goal of partitioning the country in 2013, former Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski told Ben Judah in an article in Politico.

According to Sikorski, who was Poland's foreign minister from 2007 until this past September and is now a member of parliament, the Polish Foreign Ministry first became alarmed over Putin's expansionist ambitions in the summer of 2013. The Ministry discovered that Russia was thinking about which Ukrainian provinces it could conceivably grab even before protests broke out in Kiev in November of 2013.

The Kremlin reportedly attempted to include Poland in these machinations — by offering to allow Warsaw to take its own slice of western Ukraine.

Sikorski told Politico:

Putin wants Poland to commit troops to Ukraine. These were the signals they sent us. … We have known how they think for years. We have known this is what they think for years. This was one of the first things that Putin said to my prime minister, Donald Tusk, [soon to be President of the European Council] when he visited Moscow. He went on to say Ukraine is an artificial country and that Lwow is a Polish city and why don’t we just sort it out together. Luckily Tusk didn’t answer. He knew he was being recorded.

Despite Poland's lack of interest in taking part in any violation of its eastern neighbor's sovereignty, Russia reportedly continued to offer Poland the chance to partition Ukraine. On one occasion, according to Sikorski, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a veteran radical right-wing politician and then the speaker of Russia's parliament, came to Warsaw and offered Poland the five provinces of western Ukraine.

“We made it very, very clear to them — we wanted nothing to do with this,” Sikorski told Politico. The belief within the Polish government at the time was that Zhirinovsky operated as a plausibly deniable feeler from Russia's inner political circles.

However, Sikorski has come under fire for his statements to Politico.

He tweeted claims on Monday that some of his remarks may have been "overstated" in the interview. Sikorski is also under fire in back home for the interview, with some politicians calling for his removal from government for his dodging of reporter's questions back in Warsaw.

Poland and Russia are not exactly on friendly terms at the moment. In a sign of escalating tension across the entirety of eastern and northern Europe, Poland said it arrested two Russian spies on October 17. Sweden is also searching for what it believes is a Russian submarine in its territorial waters.

Russia's reported offer to Poland over Ukraine is reminiscent of Poland's own partition during World War II. Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union conducted a series of partitions that split Poland, Romania, Finland, and the Baltic States between the two nations under the notorious and long-secret Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

Ukraine has been locked in a frozen conflict with Russian-backed separatists since early this year. The eastern provinces of Ukraine are still locked in fighting between the government and rebel forces, despite the existence of a proposed ceasefire. Russia also continues to occupy the Ukrainian province of Crimea.
 
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Sorry for double posting but I kinda want this separate.

Ukrainians have a "Death Map" that more/less shows the hometown of confirmed Russian K.I.As (Confirmed either via documents found on K.I.As, local press articles/obituaries or social media profiles)

Interactive Map - Russoldat.info - NSFW Caution - This website has interrogation/graphic*/pure gore* pictures and videos of russian P.O.W/W.I.A/K.I.A for archival purposes, map itself (linked) is more/less SFW, AFAIK the site was established to help russian families identify their POW/MIA/KIA relatives, there are phone numbers to UA government department that handles it.

* - You can see pictures of a dead soldier obviously stripped of meat to the bone by hungry dogs and birds for example.

Edit: It's all in Ukrainian, written in Cyryllic but gives you a general idea.
 
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The Episcopalians are dying, and the Waldensians are dead. It's hard for Catholics to defect to their ranks when there is nothing to defect to. Aside from them, there's the thousands of Protestant branches that still argue with each other, the Anglican Church which is also dying, and the two sides of the Orthodox Church split: one side (Kirill's) simps for Russia, the other side led by the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew wants to reunite with Catholicism, because he and Pope Francis are friends.......

So Catholics wishing to leave Catholicism can choose to join dying churches, choose to join Protestant groups that bicker and argue like dogs, join the part of the Orthodox Church that simps for Moscow, or join the part of the Orthodox Church that will later reunite with Catholicism anyways.........


When the war started, the Pope showed solidarity and support for Ukraine, but then he condemns NATO for being warlike. Pope Francis is trying to play both sides, which never works:


But to be fair, that came after his original statement blaming NATO for the war and asking for Putin to dialogue with him to help end the war.


When he got nothing but crickets, he reverted back to "fuck Russia" mode and called Kirill Putin's bitch altar boy.



So basically, the NATO side will hate him for saying that NATO provoked Russia into war, and the Russians will hate him for insinuating that their patriach is Putin's little bitch.

To be fair to His Holiness, NATO was rather hawkish in its language concerning Russia. But to be fair to NATO, what part of the former Soviet block doesn't want to join them?

Next time, Holy Father, pick a side, and stick with it. This was about as stupid as when the Papacy supported the French and their Protestant allies against the Hapsburg Empire which was fighting FOR CATHOLICISM. Or when Pope Pius IX refused to lead or support the Italian Nationalist movement, even though the leaders of said movement were begging him to be the leader of a united Italy. Some popes can make rather stupid mistakes, like how the first one denied Christ three times in the span of a single night.
the current pope is a bit of a crypto-commie (being from latin america its was to be expected) and as such he instinctively sides with an oppresive regimes against it victims, so it's understandable. But the Church is bigger than one Pope, and the only opinions of his that matter are those of the Faith. The Church will manage to survive one lame Pope. Tbh I dont even know why he had to spout this crap, all that was expected of him was to call all sides to stop war immediately and pray for peace, and call the world to assist in humanitarain help, that is all, the easiest fucking stance in politics you can get.

There were many attempts long before the war to dig up any and all historical happenings between Poland and Ukraine and use them to divide the two, despite the fact that before, idk, 2014? most of those issues were buried or only talked about by historians and people who survived them
It's not even that it was buried, but it was dimnished by the feeling that Ukrainians has been fellow victims of soviet atrocities just like Poles, plus post- commie Ukraine never shown one bit of hostility towards Poland, and was not considered any threat, while Russia has and was. Why would Poland help Russia attack Ukraine, when Poland would be the next on the list of countries to be "liberated from nazism"?
Also if Poland was to start talking about "getting muh rightful clay back", what stops Germany from doing the same? 1/4th of current day Poland was Germany before WWII.
 
It's not even that it was buried, but it was dimnished by the feeling that Ukrainians has been fellow victims of soviet atrocities just like Poles, plus post- commie Ukraine never shown one bit of hostility towards Poland, and was not considered any threat, while Russia has and was. Why would Poland help Russia attack Ukraine, when Poland would be the next on the list of countries to be "liberated from nazism"?
Also if Poland was to start talking about "getting muh rightful clay back", what stops Germany from doing the same? 1/4th of current day Poland was Germany before WWII.
That and the fact that around 0,5-1 million migrants from Ukraine were in Poland before the war so Poles got to know a lot of them, mostly as people who work jobs that few in big cities feel "dignified" doing, so mostly an object of mean jokes, not of any threat.

Russia really underestimates just how much everyone who got out from under it's heel hates it, and I don't mean russian as people, I mean the system that inevitably follows them.
 
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That and the fact that around 0,5-1 million migrants from Ukraine were in Poland before the war so Poles got to know a lot of them, mostly as people who work jobs that few in big cities feel "dignified" doing, so mostly an object of mean jokes, not of any threat.
it's not about the jobs being "undignifying", it's just that since UK job marked has been opened, a lot of blue collar workers migrated from Poland to UK, and there's simply noone to do those jobs, the unemployment rate in big cities is negative. Also I am not sure about the jokes part, after an inital shock of having a huge influx of foreigners and some conflicst steming form that, most people seem to have goten used to it, and don't really see Ukrainians as "aliens" anymore, esp. since they do not blow themsleves up or behead people in the streets or create no-go ghettos, so compared to other places that had big immigration, like Germany or Sweden, Polan feels like it got the "good" kind of immigration
Plus it's not only worker immigrants, polish univesities are now full of Ukrainian zoomers, who seem to be as dumb as their polish counterparts, so they fit in well.
do NOT work in academia, especially in any position where you have contact with students
 
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Can anyone tell of the based boomer in this video is Russian or Ukrainian?
 

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He was badmouthing the Ukrainian government for the last 8 years

Well I for one love to see how much the Ukrainian government respects dissent. Very progressive. Say bad things about Zelesnky -> go to prison. Much freedoms.

Shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about if you don't want to end up like Shariy.

Aren't you the one who tucked your tail between your legs and ran away from your own country, abandoning friends and family to die in Ukraine at the hands of those evil Russians? And now you want to act tough on a keyboard. Figures.
 
Well I for one love to see how much the Ukrainian government respects dissent. Very progressive. Say bad things about Zelesnky -> go to prison. Much freedoms.



Aren't you the one who tucked your tail between your legs and ran away from your own country, abandoning friends and family to die in Ukraine at the hands of those evil Russians? And now you want to act tough on a keyboard. Figures.
lol, not a single shred of a good faith argument. I said it before and I'll say it again, you don't care that I'm not fighting, you care that I'm Ukrainian and have coherent enough English to make you feel an unpleasant feeling below the spine.

Others have said it before - when a war in your comfy Western state happens, see how soon will you be renditioned for your open hostility towards your own state currently at war.
 
Well I for one love to see how much the Ukrainian government respects dissent. Very progressive. Say bad things about Zelesnky -> go to prison. Much freedoms.
A goverment actively at war detaining sympathizers? I don't think muh freedoms is a good argument when providing aid to an enemy state is a crime in most sane counties.
 
I got to agree with that article, it's not a good idea to compare Zelenski with Churchill.

May 7, 2022

George Bush needs to get a grip and stop Churchill-izing Zelensky​

By Francis P. Sempa

The New York Post reports that former president George W. Bush called Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky "the Winston Churchill of our time." Bush spoke to Zelensky on May 5, 2022 via videoconference. Then, on Instagram, Bush posted that he thanked Zelensky for "his leadership, his example, and his commitment to liberty." Bush also said, "We will continue to stand with Ukrainians as they stand up for their freedom."
One would think after that the debacles in Afghanistan and Iraq, Bush would be a little more humble when he talks about war.

After the September 11, 2001 attacks on America, Bush gave some stirring, Churchillian speeches to Congress and the American people. He portrayed the struggle against al-Qaeda and their sponsors as an existential battle of good versus evil. And he told the world that you were either with the United States in this struggle or against us. He then waged war against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and waged war in Iraq based on intelligence that Iraq was hiding weapons of mass destruction and was associated with Islamic terrorists.
Initially, both wars went well, as American forces hunted down al-Qaeda terrorists and attacked their Taliban hosts in Afghanistan and toppled Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. But soon thereafter, things started going awry. Instead of finding Afghan and Iraqi "strongmen" to impose order and stability in those countries, as, for example, Eisenhower did in Iran and Guatemala in the 1950s, and Nixon did in Chile in the 1970s, Bush acted more like the Kennedy brothers in South Vietnam (who supported the coup against Diem) by sacrificing stability and order for the promise of Western-style democracy. It didn't work in Vietnam, and it didn't work in Afghanistan or Iraq. Bush soon transformed the Global War on Terror into a crusade to spread democracy — a crusade that lasted twenty years and failed miserably, as most crusades do.

As the insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq grew in size and deadliness, Bush resembled not the Churchill of the Second World War, but instead the Churchill of the Dardanelles campaign in the First World War, when, after it became clear to almost everyone in the British government that the attempt to force the Dardanelles and take the Gallipoli peninsula was too costly in men and treasure and doomed to failure, Churchill poured more materiel and men into the meat-grinder to no positive effect.
Zelensky is also not the Churchill of the Second World War. The struggle in Ukraine will not decide the fate of Western civilization the way the struggle against Hitler did. But by portraying it as such, Bush has sided with those in our country who want America and NATO to get more deeply involved in the war, which would heighten the already serious risk that the war will widen to engulf all of Europe and beyond, especially if the nuclear threshold is crossed.

We are in very dangerous times. The last thing we need is a former president who botched two wars, and who thought it wise to bring Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia into NATO, and who offered NATO membership to Georgia and Ukraine, giving us advice about the current war and cheerleading for Zelensky. Hasn't he done enough harm already?​
 
lol, not a single shred of a good faith argument. I said it before and I'll say it again, you don't care that I'm not fighting, you care that I'm Ukrainian and have coherent enough English to make you feel an unpleasant feeling below the spine.

Most Ukrainians I've known speak English well, and I've never had negative feelings towards the Ukrainian people. I'll even go further and say they're stuck between a rock and a hard place, because they can either go full on cuck by getting assblasted by our degenerate culture, or get absorbed into an even more authoritarian society to their East. I don't envy the position the average Ukrainian finds themselves in. Their government fucking sucks ass though and Zelensky is globohomo muppet.

In my mind, their best course of action as a nation and a people was to ignore the US whispers in their ear in 2013/4 and remain a neutral state. Vote out the overly pro-Russian government democratically and keep distance from the US & Russia. Instead, they've allowed themselves to become a fucking chew toy in a proxy war between too rabid dogs. That was the worst decision.

I called you out in particular because you want to act tough on the internet after abandoning your people. If you're a coward, so be it, but nobody can stand a coward who tries to act tough from a distance.

A goverment actively at war detaining sympathizers? I don't think muh freedoms is a good argument when providing aid to an enemy state is a crime in most sane counties.

Funny, here in the US even as fucked up as our government has gotten over the last 20 years, we still have no fear of calling Bush/Obama/Trump/Biden imperialist fuck monkeys and war criminals.
 
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