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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
A recounting of completely anecdotal observances that according to my unqualified opinion could have serious long term impacts on the future of the US.
Alright so earlier today I moseyed on over to /r/TwoXChromosomes and saw some very interesting things, women, liberal women were talking about getting sterilized or praising their male partners for getting sterilized. I saw much discussion about a list on another subreddit (/r/ChildFree) which contains names and locations of hundreds of medical professionals willing to perform sterilizations of both males and females with little or no hassle. All of this is because of a leaked draft opinion and a handful of states that have either passed or are working on passing laws. I repeat, hundreds if not thousands of liberals both male and female many of whom are childless are electing to sterilize themselves as a result of a leaked draft opinions and a handful of states legislating. I saw a comment from one redditor saying that a nurse working for doctor they were seeking a consultation on sterilization from said that their phones were practically ringing off the hook. That is a single location. I could see tens if not hundreds of thousands opting for Sterilization when Roe is overturned and Abortion is outlawed in several states, and the number will only be increasing when bans on Contraception come.

They are literally denying themselves the ability to create more voters, this coupled with Anti-troon and fag laws stopping emigration and even causing flight from red states is a massive victory for Republicans.
Remember, Birth rates for White Conservatives are higher than that of White Liberals and mass Voluntary sterilization is not going to help that.

Them making it so they can't conceive is EXACTLY what I want them to do. I am not a Roman Catholic, I have no moral opposition to someone cutting the relevant tubes so they can never find themselves in the position of having to choose between murder and being a shitty parent. Do it, faggots, please.


Yeah they are largely too pansy to follow through on anything that involves physical discomfort and financial investment. Unfortunately.

The left doesn't care about having children, that's too much work. Why have kids when you can indoctrinate other people's? And it's okay because they're on the right side of history. Never forget.
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All this talk about sterilization reminds me of a Home Improvement episode called The Vascetomy One. The 90s had a lot of Boomer Truth Regime shows, but I've found this show to be the most propagandistic (I didn't watch Roseanne).

TL;DW of episode's A plot: Tim and Jill don't want to have more children. Jill, a white collar academic studying psychology, wants Tim to get a vasectomy. He, as a blue collar man with a perchance for overclocking his tools, doesn't want one. The rest of the episode is various people trying to convince Tim how it is morally right for him to get a vasectomy. I am also amused how the urologist neglects to tell Tim about cauterizing to prevent the tubes from potentially reconnecting. Not that Tim needed to be talked out of it any further than he already was.

The subtext of this episode--and it's very blunt about it at that--is dumb people don't want to get sterilized and lose their sexual function. Smarter people, like Al (who coincidentally is also in touch with his feminine side), are perfectly fine with it and that it doesn't take away the social benefits of masculinity. It even enhances it with the promise of more sex. At the time, kid me thought Jill was emotionally blackmailing him because she can be a big bitch. As an adult, I find this lionization of sterilization as a moral good to be very weird and a form of debilitation.

And I'm not being a prude. My solution would have been Tim and Jill should consider oral sex. I'm very pro-blowjob. I would recommend anal sex, but that is the prime way to get STDs, so I understand people who don't want to do it. No surgery needed, which the show downplays the risks of. I'm aware it's a safe, routine procedure, but all surgery contains risks... which is why all clinics and hospitals make you sign waivers. The show presenting surgery as an either-or dilemma is very strange when both procedures are elective surgeries.

Now that the mask is off, I see this episode as a fundamentally anti-Life episode. Its goal is to persuade--mostly with hard sells--that you, the audience should consider sterilization. It's morally "right" for a man to take responsibility by making sure he can never impregnate a woman again.
 
that makes sense, 3rd gen is when the traditions of the 1st aren't really as upheld, unless its a black situation where the grandparent is also the de facto parent. but overall every "my grandparents came to this country" person i know is american as fuck. its harder to find one that doesn't consider themselves american, the only shit they kept from the old country is the food.

even back in the 70s the US was a fuck load more liberal on abortion, our debate started at week 20, they can barely hit week 12 in the now and mind you, women only find out they're pregnant around week 4, so you're racing against the clock.

its been shown in studies if parties were concensus based every election, people would overwhelmingly vote conservative more often, its stuff like reputation and party affiliation that forces people to vote left. I know at my college because the parties would only form after the issues were decided for the election (everyone for beer on campus was the basis of one party and those against the other party) it meant that anything too woke never passed and it was only popular issues going through by a 80/20 margin.


even just by issue vote, when forced to pick on it, almost everyone is super conservative. the problem is thats bad for big orgs, such as corporations or the church because if you think for yourself and your own self interest you might decide to tell them to fuck off.

Also rather telling not a single soul is protesting at Robert's house, really makes you think.

To be fair, Jane Sullivan Roberts hasn’t actively doxed their home address on the internet, either, unlike Ashley Estes Kavanaugh. Which is probably a decision AEK is regretting about now.
 
My solution would have been Tim and Jill should consider oral sex.

Medicaid, the US government healthcare program for the poors, offers free vasectomies I believe. I don't know. Sometimes I have a suspicion the vaccine wasn't to weed out Whites in particular but rather to weed out "useless mouths". But if they kill everyone stupid enough to listen to them, how can they rule? And if they want the smarts to survive, why are they importing retarded third worlders?

So my conclusion is the elites don't know what they're doing and get their wires crossed all the time. I'm never getting snipped even if my 40-years-younger wife is riding my senile dick. They can take my reproductive organs out of my cold, dead hands.
 
Man I feel bad for pro-choice people. You got retards like Simp4Sluts defending you. And unironically making easier points for the pro-life crowd. Like yes the best way to not OD is to not take drugs you midwit
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I love watching the mask come off these psychopaths.
People most angry about this:
1.People in states where nothing will change.

2. Insane alcoholic wine aunts with nothing better to do.

3. Troons.

4. Men who believe being super vocal about this will somehow impress women online enough to have sex with them.


Sad state of affairs.
 
I can't imagine threatening judges, let alone supreme court judges, is a terribly wise idea.

Its high risk but its also high reward. Get away with intimidating the supreme court you get away with intimidating every judge and the constituition de facto goes away.

And the way they percieve it the conservative justices are enemies for life anyways. Who cares if Kavaungh might he holding a grudge from confirmation and this is a result of their behavior. He's bad duh. Moderate justices are only ever appointed by Republicand anyways. I can guarantee you these events arent off putting to Sotameyer or the new one Biden installed. They would say its a natural response to the decision. Until conservatives do it to them of course. Then its insurrection.
 
I can guarantee you these events arent off putting to Sotameyer or the new one Biden installed. They would say its a natural response to the decision. Until conservatives do it to them of course. Then its insurrection.
When they finally achieve real insurrection they won't have a clue on how to deal with it. They're fighting for the "right" to murder and rape children. When this boils over it's going to be a lot more than some protests and light trespassing.
What? Some Texans are so terrified of abortion regulations that they're being driven to the desperate act of taking a bare amount of responsibility to mitigate the consequences of their sexual degeneracy?

It's literally the Holocaust!
They're more worried about the consequences of taking a pill or getting an implant than the consequences of murdering a child. Society needs a massive upheaval.
 
The left doesn't care about having children, that's too much work. Why have kids when you can indoctrinate other people's? And it's okay because they're on the right side of history. Never forget.
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:Horrifying

The protest at Kavanaugh's house has been organized by his own neighbor, a woman named Lacie Wooten-Holway.



She works for a snobby Episcopal school's aftercare department and is married to this guy. His facebook is amusing:

He is old and she is a duck-faced tatted up hoar.

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is this kind of arrangement common now among DC elite types? It seems odd to me but what do I know, I am just a pleb.

This is not the first time she has gone out of her way to harass her neighbor:

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WaPoo has written a glowing endorsement of her harassment campaign.

Her biggest claim to fame is that she has had an abortion, her second biggest claim to fame is that she was raped. The rape is NOT related to the abortions, which were the result of her being a duck-faced tatted-up hoar:



Edit: having finally finished the facebook video, the rape was thus: her parents went to Greece and so she threw a party in their house while they were away. She was not a teen at the time but 31 lmao. The pool party went sour and she was "sexually assaulted"- "the details are unimportant" by a guy her friend invited, who had a record, and later tried to infect a woman with HIV. (this is DC- so, black.)

alrighty.

She has the kids involved in the harassment campaign:



This part is funny:


Anyhow she just generally likes protesting a lot.

No address this time, don't want to dox my man Brett.

edit to add this absolutely psychotic selfie of hers

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Hey guiz? Is BPD contagious? That woman has it, clear as day.

Tjhis is one of the m,ost fucked things about the feminist movement since Roe v Wade happ[ened, IMO. It has become the cause celebre for feminism. It is the main issue. Bigger than rape even.

And yet? At its base what it is it? Whether you consider it a babbiee or a lump of cells, it's a rabidly enforced assertion that women should be able to destroy something that is utterly powerless with no repercussions, and to feel just dandy about it. There is something incredibly sick about that, and it has infected the entirety of the movement. I suppose that's a natural extension of a non-left/right issue being co-opted by Marxist ideology.
 
It's gonna be real awkward if the leak was just a legal exercise the judges were doing to keep their wits about them and it wasn't real, but the clerk thought it was because he's a fucking retard.

I figured the thread could use some humor.
iirc ACLJ has brought up how basically that is a real possibility, they apparently write multiple opinions as drafts to consider different ideas, some stuff gets thrown out, some used in the dissent, some in the opinion
 
That only works on federal election years bucko. Gonna LMAO when the riot police tear gas the lot of you. There's no fucking way the left will let another Summer of Love happen when they're about to lose the legislature. But they're pretty retarded, so maybe they will.

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Medicaid, the US government healthcare program for the poors, offers free vasectomies I believe. I don't know. Sometimes I have a suspicion the vaccine wasn't to weed out Whites in particular but rather to weed out "useless mouths". But if they kill everyone stupid enough to listen to them, how can they rule? And if they want the smarts to survive, why are they importing retarded third worlders?

So my conclusion is the elites don't know what they're doing and get their wires crossed all the time. I'm never getting snipped even if my 40-years-younger wife is riding my senile dick. They can take my reproductive organs out of my cold, dead hands.
Population control in general. There isn't that much of a difference between Chinese oligarchs and American ones. American ones envy the Chinese for being able to impose their will on their people directly. American oligarchs have to be sneaky and indirect like that Home Improvement episode or All in the Family where Archie has to lose and be wrong. The problem with indirect manipulation is that the effect is unpredictable; people love Archie Bunker as a character and even agree with him. The J'Nai episode of TNG--the episode where Riker fucks a tranny--actually shows the trans society as a totalitarian state that insists upon eradicating femininity (and masculinity by proxy) identity. These were not the intentions of the authors, but these are the results.

Per my avatar, I'll make a Marvel critique here too. One of the big problems of Avengers: Endgame is that it also doesn't work on a thematic level. Thanos's argument for population control is fleshed out in Infinity War, but the argument that the heroes have to oppose him is not fleshed out enough when they have the perfect character to ideologically oppose Thanos--Stark. The Malthusian argument has been successfully opposed through the creation of advanced technology to make even more efficient use of resources. Our own society is an example of practically unlimited comforts compared to previous eras; we no longer have to wait for certain produce to be in season, we can go to the store and buy and make foods from all over the world, we potentially have more leisure time due to a combination of automation and legislation of overtime (which provides a soft cap on work hours), the labor itself is less physically demanding. Malthus thought our society couldn't handle eight million people in the world. America has 300 million and compared to the rest of the world, live so luxuriously its people can't conceive of living any other way. World Hunger today is caused by political unwillingness to fix economic and distribution concerns, not because there just isn't enough to go around. The technology to feed the world exists; just take all those gallons of milk Farmers produce, turn it into government cheese and yoghurt, and ship it to the 3rd world. It doesn't have to be dumped. In the MCU, Stark was making a macro Arc generator to provide even more efficient energy to the world and increasingly advanced nanotechnology that has uncountable applications.

The movie ignores rebutting Thanos on an ideological level. Our heroes resort to punching him because MCU characters only really know how to fight and solve problems with that one hammer, but they don't really refute Thanos's beliefs. Thanos is the environmentalist in this story. To Hollywood types--the richest, most spoiled people of all time--Thanos is moral. That's why they can't think of a reason why Thanos is wrong even though he's the biggest villain in their movie series.
 
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