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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Apparently some southern senators are advocating banning contraceptives and Tennessee just banned mail order abortion pills/plan b.
How will they enforce this legislation?

The pills come from an out of state manufacturing plant in a blue state, it is sealed in a non-descript package, the package is affixed with postage and enters the mail system, the mail is processed at a federal facility, the letter under federal possession is delivered to a person's home likely at the door as it's a package, as the package is left by the door it's considered curtilage any search is going to require a good reason.

Republican State Legislatures,

Please don't be fucking idiots.

Here is why these idiots are legally going to get BTFO'ed.
 
How will they enforce this legislation?

The pills come from an out of state manufacturing plant in a blue state, it is sealed in a non-descript package, the package is affixed with postage and enters the mail system, the mail is processed at a federal facility, the letter under federal possession is delivered to a person's home likely at the door as it's a package, as the package is left by the door it's considered curtilage any search is going to require a good reason.
Yeah you can get xannies the same way but it's all about making it more difficult so people give up on their shitty behaviors.
 
The movie ignores rebutting Thanos on an ideological level. Our heroes resort to punching him because MCU characters only really know how to fight and solve problems with that one hammer, but they don't really refute Thanos's beliefs. Thanos is the environmentalist in this story. To Hollywood types--the richest, most spoiled people of all time--Thanos is moral. That's why they can't think of a reason why Thanos is wrong even though he's the biggest villain in their movie series.
They should have stuck with the comic narrative. Thanos didn't do his thing for any high minded reason, he just wants to make Death fall in love with him, as the personification of death in Marvel is a hot chick. Simple as.

It really makes the whole thing worse when you realize it was a "Notice me, Sempai" moment.
 
Apparently some southern senators are advocating banning contraceptives and Tennessee just banned mail order abortion pills/plan b.

I am sure this will be absolutely as effective as the prohibition of mail order MDMA, which is absolutely not available in any state via this method.

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Did they ban mail order abortion pills or mail order Plan B? They're different things. PBS says it's just abortion pills. There has to be a clinician present when they're dispensed.
Bullshit law and as much as abortion displeases me, I hope the state gets slapped down hard.

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Once enacted, a medical clinician will be required to be physically present when abortion pills are administered to a patient even though federal regulations now allow mail delivery nationwide.
Under the Tennessee version, delivery of abortion pills by mail would be outlawed and anyone who wanted to use abortion pills would be required to visit a doctor in advance and then return to pick up the pills.

What the heck are they going to do?

Arrest the mailman?
 
I don't think it's a good enough method if you really want to be sure. Its not one I'd use. People do, though, and they're as protected from pregnancy as condom users. But I think condoms aren't, either. Both are significantly better pregnancy prevention practices than nothing. If nothing else, it's worth learning what the efficacy is for anyone prepper-inclined, since outside of abstinence or sodomy, it's the most reliable contraception available to the post-apocalyptic couple.

Ah come on, we’ve all seen Threads; after the apocalypse we won’t need contraception because they’ll all be shredders.
 
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What the heck are they going to do?

Arrest the mailman?
Having to see a GP before you get the pills sounds pretty reasonable to me, just like you need to talk to a GP before you get access to all sorts of other pills as well.

I mean, people are literally drinking aquarium cleaning solutions because they think it will cure covid. I bet you would see 8.5month pregnant girls pop 10 abortion pills because they changed their minds and their boyfriend left them. And everyone will have one huge mess to clean up.
People on average are retarded. Having to talk to a GP will reign in some of the retardedness.
 
Having to see a GP before you get the pills sounds pretty reasonable to me, just like you need to talk to a GP before you get access to all sorts of other pills as well.

I mean, people are literally drinking aquarium cleaning solutions because they think it will cure covid. I bet you would see 8.5month pregnant girls pop 10 abortion pills because they changed their minds and their boyfriend left them. And everyone will have one huge mess to clean up.
People on average are retarded. Having to talk to a GP will reign in some of the retardedness.

Trufax: Misoprostol is used both in early medical abortion and induction of labour at full term. So the “ten abortion pills” will for sure yeetus that full term foetus.
 
Since the media is going to lie about it every chance they get, here's the bill. I tried to copy and paste but they only give us a PDF and the formatting gets absolutely borked. Here's the part I think they're really up in arms about:
An individual or entity shall not provide an abortion-inducing drug in an elementary, secondary, or postsecondary school facility or on school grounds.
 
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This is what confuses me about the whole thing as well. UK abortion law is 24 weeks with the approval of two doctors, for just about any reason, as long as you can convince them it would affect your physical or mental health. That includes financial considerations. It's also available after, right up to birth, if the baby poses a threat or is so physically deformed that it won't survive. It's been this way since 1967. Only a complete retard would try and campaign to have it overturned now.

The fact that the American left has relied on a fragile, ill-founded court ruling for the last 50 years instead of, I don't know, making a fucking law, strikes me as incredibly stupid.

It makes a little more sense when you imagine yourself as a leftist that arrogantly believes you'll never face any consequences for things you've done.

Just look at how the Democrats changed the voting procedure for federal judges, they were warned it would come back to bite them in the ass if the GOP ever took back the Senate and lo and behold...the GOP took back the Senate and during Trump's presidency he and McConnell were able to force through hundreds of federal judges to replace many retiring leftist judges, not to mention the SCOTUS picks he got.

The Democrats always commit to a course of action under the presumption they will never lose power again so no one will be around to make them answer for shitty decisions; to outside observers we can see this is very very stupid but in their minds they are always correct and moral so it's always a good decision.


Apparently some southern senators are advocating banning contraceptives and Tennessee just banned mail order abortion pills/plan b.

Now see this is where the right starts to lose me, banning contraceptives outright is a very stupid idea and not one I can really bring myself to support. I find contraceptives fine and it still allows an opportunity to discuss safe sex at least if the parents are willing to do this and not let some gender special in the public school system do it.

This is the political equivalent of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
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Having to see a GP before you get the pills sounds pretty reasonable to me, just like you need to talk to a GP before you get access to all sorts of other pills as well.

I mean, people are literally drinking aquarium cleaning solutions because they think it will cure covid. I bet you would see 8.5month pregnant girls pop 10 abortion pills because they changed their minds and their boyfriend left them. And everyone will have one huge mess to clean up.
People on average are retarded. Having to talk to a GP will reign in some of the retardedness.
My opposition to this law is not because the in person GP consult is unwise. I believe it to be unenforceable without serious 4th Amendment violations.

Bill 2416

Selected Portions of the Bill

(1) An abortion-inducing drug may be provided only by a qualified physician following the procedures set forth in this bill;

(3) A qualified physician providing an abortion-inducing drug must examine the patient in-person and, prior to providing an abortion-inducing drug verify and determine certain information, as specified in this bill, and inform the patient that the patient may see the remains of the unborn child in the process of completing the abortion;
So the GP consult is done but just not in person. Personally, I agree with you about the GP consult and I have questions about how through an online can be.

(11) An individual who intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly violates this bill commits a Class E felony and, upon conviction, will be fined an amount not to exceed $50,000, be imprisoned for a term not to exceed 20 years, or both. A criminal penalty will not be assessed against a patient upon whom a chemical abortion is attempted or performed;

(13) Civil liability will not be imposed against a patient on whom a chemical abortion is attempted or performed;
So the woman that gets the chemical abortion cannot be criminally charge nor civilly charged. Such the only person that can be charged are the online pharmacy that prescribes it or maybe the doctor that does the electronic consult.

But they question is HOW the cops will get the evidence to even bring charges against the doctors?

The US Supreme Court has made it clear that searches, without exigent circumstances, of the area around the home requires a warrant. The mail in the US Postal system is protected and cases where MDMA or other drugs are discovered are through the use of US Postal Inspectors, not local cops. Such, it would be a hard case to make without a 4th Amendment violation.

I dunno, perhaps sting operations could be done but an extradition warrant will be interesting.
 
Since the media is going to lie about it every chance they get, here's the bill. I tried to copy and paste but they only give us a PDF and the formatting gets absolutely borked. Here's the part I think they're really up in arms about:
An individual or entity shall not provide an abortion-inducing drug in an elementary, secondary, or postsecondary school facility or on school grounds.

I believe that that gives special protection to the aforementioned areas stating that even with a in person physician consult the abortion pills cannot be mailed to the educational institutions.
 
Banning contraception is silly (and won't hold up, even if Roe is overturned). But the sentiment behind this arose from people's completely reasonable horror and outrage at the culture of tiktok sluttery, entitlement, and murderous rage that has gone out of control thanks to the Planned Parenthood crowd.
It doesn't matter if it doesn't hold up legally as long as the Supreme Court refuses to strike it down just like they did with the Texas 6 week law.
banning contraceptives outright is a very stupid idea and not one I can really bring myself to support.
Contraception bans = More Sterilized liberals, more liberals fleeing from red states, more liberals choosing not to come to red states and more liberals in prison.
States cannot ban contraceptives. Griswold v. Connecticut,
"States can't ban Abortion. Roe V. Wade. Casey V. Planned Parenthood" Neither of those cases mattered much in Texas during September of 2021.
 
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