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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Is Kavanaugh based now? I remember back when he was first nominated, before the whole false rape accusations, that Ben Shapiro was figuring he'd wuss out on Roe v Wade.
 
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Not so much blind as can't or won't be told. McConnell straight-up did that right on the senate floor (filibuster) and they just stuck their fingers in their ears. I can't find the clip on youtube, but it was short and as clear as could be. Pretty much "This will bite you in the ass. Don't do it." And then they did.
I asked a leftist about the specific scenario and after laughing he responded with "Yeah, because the GOP would never themselves think of violating procedures when they had the ability to trample them and get what they want." Then refused to talk about it further. Literally couldn't comprehend what I was saying lmao.
 
Banning contraception is silly (and won't hold up, even if Roe is overturned). But the sentiment behind this arose from people's completely reasonable horror and outrage at the culture of tiktok sluttery, entitlement, and murderous rage that has gone out of control thanks to the Planned Parenthood crowd.
Yeah I’m getting more and more tired of them. I don’t think they’re thinking about cause and effect. Perhaps it’s because they judge everything by emotion.
Also, there is precisely one hospital that will perform abortions in the UK after 16 weeks. (It’s Newcastle Royal Victoria, and it is dealt with as “management of complex miscarriage”. There are numerous services in the hospital to allow parents to spend time with their baby before and after the procedure. The babies are delivered very carefully, complete and “sleeping”. Counselling isn’t mandatory, but it is routine. The midwives will sit with you, or let you spend time with baby alone as you wish. There are special photographers and keepsake boxes with footprints and locks of hair provided. You will be given back baby’s ashes. This sort of care recognises that what has happened is the loss of a much wanted child and the parents’ grief is fully acknowledged and cared for.)
That’d be nice if American hospitals did this.
 
These ladies act shocked a security officer (likely a cop) used the minimum force necessary to stop the trespassers egress into a building.
Protesters in Los Angeles raided a Mass only to get btfo by the parishioners.

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Are these ladies White Supremacists?

How dare they interrupt the religious ceremonies of persons of color!
 
Yeah I’m getting more and more tired of them. I don’t think they’re thinking about cause and effect. Perhaps it’s because they judge everything by emotion.

That’d be nice if American hospitals did this.
For women who are carrying babies with fatal birth defects, we have exactly this- perinatal hospice. You have to choose it (and be fortunate enough to attend an OB clinic that will steer you to it) though. Pro-choicers hate it though. They insist it's only something superstitious god-botherers would insist upon. They think it's somehow detrimental to the mother's "mental health" to be afforded the respectful treatment described above. They think it's essential that she be allowed to go to some cut-rate washout "late term abortionist" and bleed out in a hotel room alone. Because perinatal hospice recognizes she is losing a baby, rather than experiencing an inconvenience.
 
oh nooo i cant get mid pussy from some bpd thot whatever shall i do

my current favorite take:

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This is the test for an unfaithful wife.




The Jewish interpretation is that it blows her thigh (in biblical hebrew, thigh was often a euphemism for sexual organs) open, swells her stomach to the point of bursting, then kills her while the man she cheated on suffers the same fate. This is an abortion ritual in the same way that the Binding of Isaac was an endorsement of human sacrifice.
It will never not amaze me how often I see twitter users go off on how they have nothing but open contempt for religion, yet are also experts on religion and are here to tell you how it actually supports whatever dumb ass world view they are pushing at the moment.

Also isn't Genesis 2:7 about the formation of Adam who was not in fact born but CREATED DIRECTLY by God from dirt?
 
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Ya know, at least the people protesting in front of kavanaugh’s house are going after the head of the snake so to speak. But these fuckers are just protesting random churches despite not knowing if they are connected in any way. Like come the fuck on! Your not helping your cause here!
 
It will never not amaze me how often I see twitter users go off on how they have nothing but open contempt for religion, yet are also experts on religion and are here to tell you how it actually supports whatever dumb ass world view they are pushing at the moment.

Also isn't Genesis 2:7 about the formation of Adam who was not in fact born but CREATED DIRECTLY by God from dirt?
Yes. God breathed the breath of life into Adam, and he became a living creature. If they continued reading Genesis, they'd run into Genesis 9:4, which says that life is in blood. If they were really committed, they'd make it to Psalm 139:13, in which a person is knit together in their mother's womb. Or Jeremiah 1:5, in which God knows a person before they are formed in the womb, and consecrates them before they are born. In short, the Bible isn't a biology textbook, but if it were, they're reading it wrong.
 
For women who are carrying babies with fatal birth defects, we have exactly this- perinatal hospice. You have to choose it (and be fortunate enough to attend an OB clinic that will steer you to it) though. Pro-choicers hate it though. They insist it's only something superstitious god-botherers would insist upon. They think it's somehow detrimental to the mother's "mental health" to be afforded the respectful treatment described above. They think it's essential that she be allowed to go to some cut-rate washout "late term abortionist" and bleed out in a hotel room alone. Because perinatal hospice recognizes she is losing a baby, rather than experiencing an inconvenience.
I can tell that a lot of these types haven’t had a miscarriage. It makes one reconsider things like abortions. It’s also illuminating on how heartless they can be. In particular when others go through miscarriage.
 
I can tell that a lot of these types haven’t had a miscarriage.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's posts on the internet from these absolute psychos that laugh about their miscarriages and compare them to a chip dropped on the ground. The thing about leftists is they're incapable of imagining the pain of another human. They only pretend to when it's convenient for their cause.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if there's posts on the internet from these absolute psychos that laugh about their miscarriages and compare them to a chip dropped on the ground. The thing about leftists is they're incapable of imagining the pain of another human. They only pretend to when it's convenient for their cause.
Is there any research into this? I know Haidt did an experiment that suggests leftists can't imagine or understand what motivates right wing thought, so they rely on caricatures. But I haven't read about their empathy deficit extending all the way to pain.
 
For women who are carrying babies with fatal birth defects, we have exactly this- perinatal hospice. You have to choose it (and be fortunate enough to attend an OB clinic that will steer you to it) though. Pro-choicers hate it though. They insist it's only something superstitious god-botherers would insist upon. They think it's somehow detrimental to the mother's "mental health" to be afforded the respectful treatment described above. They think it's essential that she be allowed to go to some cut-rate washout "late term abortionist" and bleed out in a hotel room alone. Because perinatal hospice recognizes she is losing a baby, rather than experiencing an inconvenience.

My understanding about perinatal hospice is that it’s supportive medical care between diagnosis and eventual spontaneous birth, rather than second trimester termination. Is that an incorrect understanding? I understood its aim was to support women to carry foetuses with a fatal diagnosis to 40 weeks. You can obviously choose to do that here, but that’s not what you are sent to Newcastle for. Women carrying to term are all managed in their own local hospitals - as they have to be, because if there is potential for antenatal death in utero, that needs to be managed as a medical emergency. People do carry to term here even with a devastating diagnosis, but you aren’t hospitalised to do it.
 
For women who are carrying babies with fatal birth defects, we have exactly this- perinatal hospice. You have to choose it (and be fortunate enough to attend an OB clinic that will steer you to it) though. Pro-choicers hate it though. They insist it's only something superstitious god-botherers would insist upon. They think it's somehow detrimental to the mother's "mental health" to be afforded the respectful treatment described above. They think it's essential that she be allowed to go to some cut-rate washout "late term abortionist" and bleed out in a hotel room alone. Because perinatal hospice recognizes she is losing a baby, rather than experiencing an inconvenience.
They also get super mad if you give money to crisis pregnancy centers that actually provide resources for new mothers like parenting classes, money, support groups, home visits and mentoring, baby supplies, etc. PP couldn't dream of providing the level of care I've seen homegrown orgs give away for free.
 
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I think religion is gay, but this shit is disgusting. People just wanting some community and understanding and solace. The left just wants to destroy communities.
 
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