Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

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  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

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  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

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Russia-Ukraine war was unavoidable, it was all NATO fuckery.
How much propaganda one must chug to do 180 turn on stance from begging of the year?
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I don't know how we never heard about all that NATO fuckery before war actually started :story:
>Furiously searching my post history to try to FACT CHECK :smug: me
>Failed to read properly, made yourself look foolish

You're not mad tho :story:
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You sure do know a lot about me and how much I know about this conflict. I just sat there and watched CNN, right?
I don't care what you did. Your conclusions and way of arguing are fucking retarded and rife with typical boomerisms and that's all I really care to know because you haven't argued in good faith until now and you probably won't start doing it ever.

It all goes back to the fall of the USSR. Ukraine bristled under Russian leadership and made a conscious decision to get out from under it. It wasn't overwhelmingly popular but it was popular enough. As Russia and Ukraine picked up the pieces the issue of Uke nukes was raised by the west. This led to the Budapest Memorandum where they were given up in exchange for Ukrainian independence and sovereignty guaranteed by the signees.
Sure, whatever.
Ukraine then went on to be led by a corrupt dickbag and turned into your typical post-SU 90's shithole. Kuchma kissed anyone's ass EU or US or Russian if it kept him and his cronies in charge. This is where the first overtures toward NATO and the EU start. Problem is, the population took it to heart. They could see how the EU was improving things in former WP countries and wanted it for themselves. Kuchma's corruption slowly started to make him slide farther into the Russian camp as well.
Sure, whatever.
2004 rolled around and the people finally got tired of Kuchma's shit and elections were held. Yanukovych versus Yushchenko. Serious shenanigans are afoot. Yushchenko -pro EU guy- gets fucking poisoned by dioxin and almost dies when it starts looking like he is going to win. The second round of the election is rigged as fuck. Blatantly obvious that Yanukovych didn't win. Political crisis. Protests. Court orders a do over. In do over a now recovered Yushchenko wins. Putin and Russia flip their shit. Effectively withdrawing from the Budapest Memorandum. From then on out they began openly working to undermine Ukrainian sovereignty and independence to keep them solidly in the Russian camp.
Sure, whatever.

All this shit? All relevant and parts of what led to this, and at the same time, none of it really matters. The separatists wanted out in favor of Russia. They got out.

It doesn't matter if it's a smart decision, and it isn't, but they wanted their Russian re-unification, and they're going to get it.


The separatist movement didn't start in 2014 with Maidan
Obviously. It started the second Ukraine became an entity independent of the USSR. There were people, especially those who lived near the Russian border, who felt Russian, and not Ukrainian, partly due to the Soviet practice of moving Russians into the republics of the USSR. Russia didn't need a mass media campaign in the modern ages to foster pro-Russian sentiment: pro-Russian sentiment was either the norm, or incredibly close to it, in most of the East of Ukraine. It was exacerbated in the prelude to the Donbas war due to retarded Ukrainian policies on the Russian language and Euromaidan simply sealed the deal.

The two parts of the country would never be able to deal with eachother ever again. For the people of the East of Ukraine, Euromaidan was nothing short of a coup of a president they elected and a declaration of war on them. In turn, they rejected their Ukranian nationality and turned to Russia.

was actively cultivated by Russia
It wasn't hard. Most people in the East already liked Russia and saw themselves as being of both nationalities.


I will re-iterate: the people of the DPR and LPR wanted out. They volunteered in droves to an undermanned, outgunned Army that had no tanks, airplanes or navy, they overwhelmingly voted in favor of a pro-Russian president before the war, they defected the Ukrainian army in large numbers to fight against it, and they fought in the War in the Donbas for 8 years despite losing a lot of their previously held territory.

No flimsy and artificial separatist movement can usually withstand a government offensive, let alone a protracted 8 year war and losses of cities like Mariupol and Kramatorsk as well as basically half their claimed territory. Trying to pretend like the divisions between Western and Eastern Ukraine are just an artificial machination by Russia is stupid, because half of Eastern Ukraine was essentially Russian 30 years ago. Acknowledging these realities doesn't mean that I'm saying Russia didn't supply armament, training, military advisors and possibly direct military aid to the separatists, and I have never done that because it is untrue.
 
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Russian reports coming out that Novoselivka has been captured. Drobysheve will likely soon be the new stage of hostilities, and after that, nothing remains but Lyman, which is already being harassed from the North. The UAF in Sviatohirsk and west of it is obviously also threatened by this advance.

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I will re-iterate: the people of the DPR and LPR wanted out. They volunteered in droves to an undermanned, outgunned Army that had no tanks, airplanes or navy, they overwhelmingly voted in favor of a pro-Russian president before the war, and they fought in the War in the Donbas for 8 years despite losing a lot of their previously held territory.
While there was a militia component the backbone militarily and the security services (OMON) were provided by Russia. They could have worked politically to split by plebiscite or something. Armed conflict being the least desirable option here and yet it was the first one chosen. The option that gets Russian internal security troops on the streets and hasty referendums saying "vote yes to leave Ukraine, vote no to staying with the Ukraine" completely without anything even approaching international elections monitoring. Funny that.
No flimsy and artificial separatist movement can usually withstand a government offensive, let alone a protracted 8 year war.
Transnistria. South Ossetia. Abkhazia. There is a reason most countries with a Russian minority look for security help. They tend to rebel and Russia comes in to save the oppressed minority peoples. This Sudetenning of neighbors has happened again and again and again. They aren't doing this alone here they are being held up by the Russian state.
Trying to pretend like the divisions between Western and Eastern Ukraine are just an artificial machination by Russia is stupid, because half of Eastern Ukraine was essentially Russian 30 years ago.
This division within Ukraine is what is being cultivated. It is artificial. I remind you that Zelensky is a Russian-speaker. He was overwhelmingly voted in by both east and west.
 
While there was a militia component the backbone militarily and the security services (OMON) were provided by Russia.
Citation needed. There were plenty of Russian volunteers for obvious reasons but the backbone of the DPR and LPR militias were people who signed up for their armies. There is no proof otherwise and not even the biggest pro-Ukraine people believe that the "backbone" of the separatists was Russians. Note that I am not saying Russian units were involved in certain battles or not, that's a question for 70 years from now when Russia starts releasing classified documents on it.

They could have worked politically to split by plebiscite or something. Armed conflict being the least desirable option here and yet it was the first one chosen.
Would have never worked. Neither side ever abided by any ceasefire, neither side ever showed any sign of wanting the war to really stop. Ukraine was irreparably divided after Euromaidan. Again note that I am not imparting any blame on the pro-EU protestors, since they made objectively the better choice of trying to join the West. No amicable split was possible, a large amount of Eastern Ukrainians were disgruntled enough to take up arms and leave by force. If Ukraine were willing to let them leave, they would have signed an agreement for it in the 8 years after.

Transnistria
Lasted one year. Separatists were never in danger of losing, the Moldovan military was a joke and they were exceedingly well armed after the 14th Guards let them take whatever they wanted from their military depot. Similarly, volunteers flooded in from Ukraine, Russia and some of the 14th Guards even defected to join the Transnitrians. A conflict with less than 1,000 deaths, total.

South Ossetia and Abkhazia
One year conflicts, handily won by the separatists, who had very legitimate grievances, in another conflict borne out of the USSR's habit of relocating ethnic Russians to their Republics, and forcing people who hate eachother to live together. These two didn't want to be Georgian. They got independence another way. Russian military involvement in these two (at least the first wars) was also very limited to non-existent. The large amount of volunteers was enough to tip the scales.

Many atrocities comitted by both sides, attesting to the fact that they hate each other to death and a union between them would have never worked.

They tend to rebel and Russia comes in to save the oppressed minority peoples.
Wow, I wonder why all these tiny ass irrelevant countries rebel from slightly larger irrelevant countries. Maybe it's because they were all part of a giant empire that repressed any nationalist and ethnic spergery (other than Russian) with a hard boot and when all that security, borne out of fear of reprisals from Moscow, was ended by the dissolution, and there was no USSR to put them in place, the two groups inevitably clash, and one of them would rather go back to being in the USSR because at least then they get to be semi-autonomous kind of. And of course, the nice Russians are always there to expand their empire.

The Russians can be opportunistic and fanners of the flame, without being 100% to blame for said conflicts. Moldova didn't have to ban the Russian language. Georgia didn't have to shit on all their ethnic minorities and then get their ass kicked in a war. The USSR's retarded policies leading to the establishment of Russian speaking minorities in places where Russian speakers shouldn't be in such great numbers and their subsequent dissolution directly lead to basically every war Russia has been involved in since.

Russians didn't stop being Russians when the USSR fell and many of them obviously wanted to go back. Obviously, Russia wasn't going to pass on these opportunities.

This division within Ukraine is what is being cultivated. It is artificial. I remind you that Zelensky is a Russian-speaker. He was overwhelmingly voted in by both east and west.
This is just completely untrue, for the first part, and irrelevant for the second.

It's untrue because the divisions between Eastern and Western Ukraine were recorded for years before the 2014 war was even a possibility. Unless you believe that Russia was secretly trucking in tens of thousands of Russians into Ukraine and making them settle down there so they could gayop a conflict 10 years later, there is no way you can believe this with the data we have available. Ethnicities in the post-USSR world clash. This has been proven, again and again, to be inevitable. It isn't cultivated or artificial, it is a natural conclusion of the USSR's immigration patterns and policies and its dissolution.

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Zelensky being voted in by West and East doesn't matter because he campaigned on ending the War in the Donbas which was very popular, and didn't happen, and because the separatist republics were already separatists and therefore, didn't get a say for obvious reasons.
 
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Ardien Boke reveals the details of his stay in the war in Ukraine.

Among other things, it is noteworthy what he said about the captured Russian soldiers. Prisoners are indeed shot through the knees, and Ukrainians constantly ask "Who is the officer?". No one answers because officers get a bullet not in the knee but in the forehead.
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And yet the Entire World™ is supporting them and telling me to feel bad for these people?

Imagine what happened if England sold "Tinned Irishman with potatoes" or Spain made "Basque with nautral juices".
My admittedly cold take is that a lot of people don’t really mind Nazis if they keep being a minority. For a variety of reasons too long to explain but anyone in this thread could just guess then I think.
 
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>Furiously searching my post history to try to FACT CHECK :smug: me
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Edit: I'm VERY disappointed with you @mr.moon1488
Larping as an epic individualist, fascist aryan super soldier and then turning around and sucking kleptocrat dick like every other dorky teenage boy under the sun.
FOR SHAME!!!
 
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This division within Ukraine is what is being cultivated. It is artificial.
In a word, no.

I remind you that Zelensky is a Russian-speaker. He was overwhelmingly voted in by both east and west.
naZielenskkkyy is a clown and a puppet, even moreso than Spaghetti Sauce Joey. And yes, he was somewhat popular prior to his election - which he won on promises to grant autonomy to the DPR/LPR, end hostilities against the Russian-speaking populace there, generally be a "unifier" in the mold of Baraka Hussein Abu Oumama and to improve relations with Russia, including joint efforts to turn Eastern Elbonia into an industrial juggernaut, only to not actually do any of those things and to double-down on making war on what were, ostensibly, his own people.
 
My admittedly cold take is that a lot of people don’t really mind Nazis if they keep being a minority. For a variety of reasons too long to explain but anyone in this thread could just guess then I think.
Yes, but in this case, they are a minority armed with firearms-a national guard. And this is a bit of a problem for a variety of reasons.
 
war negotiations are a complicated process. but even the actual article from a pro-Russian source doesn't say that the UK "Ordered" Zelenskyy to halt the proceedings. its incredible how the narrative is built up from mouthpiece to mouthpiece slowly diluting the message to continue to build up a narrative that the west is at fault for the Russians brutal unprovoked invasion. as if anyone gives a single fuck about Russian promises given how often they've been frequently broken. Most importantly the Budapest Memorandum in which Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal for guarantees against invasion
War is a racket to these people


Don't worry, mister ex-president, you are a diversity hire. You'll be fine.
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"Help Ukrainian women by sending money for abortions!":lunacy:
It’s creepy
 
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