Prison Letters Chris and Kengle Prison Letter Megathread

[Cockadoodle85]

He has an attorney who is privvy to discovery and even before formal discovery would know if say, Barb was interviewed, and would tell his client.

And that is not how that works. First, Chris isn’t charged with rape. Second, in the US legal system you have the right to face your accuser.

In this case Barb isn’t even really the accuser as much as the Commonwealth of Virginia. Everyone has this fantasy that Chris is being charged with rape and they’ll lock him up in maximum security and throw away the key. Incest statutes are generally created and charged in cases with a minor victim and adult perpetrator. The law is written in a way where this situation is basically excluded from the statute.

He’s essentially being held since he’s mentally ill with no family and nowhere to go to. If the cops found out about this ten years ago they’d have probably left them alone and let them keep doing it.

The identity of the alleged victim is protected from the public in at least a rape case but probably most sexual assault charges, but this isn’t a rape case and the alleged victim is common knowledge.

Cops are not running a homeless shelter

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

I think Chris is using old English words like ye and thy because his prison must only have the King James Version of The Bible

Never complicate things unnecessarily with Chris. It's more likely that he thinks that using that type of language makes him sound all cool and educated and super-intelligent and not slow-in-da-mind. He had Sonichu use words like that during his confrontation with Jason Kendrick Howell. For all that we know, he just remembered how Marvel's Thor is big on that whole 'I say thee nay!' crap and decided to co-opt it himself.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

I think Chris just loves himself more than he loves his mother so if one of them has to go down it's not going to be him, not that it'll work.

Damn, Chris just keeps digging the hole down further for himself. When Chris is released, he'll want to return to 14 BLC. Alternate scenario: Barb (if we takeaway the dementia), knew of Chris accusing her of grooming him will kick him out, Chris will ask why because that's how Chris is. Every time Chris says something/does something/writes something, it makes it difficult to sympathize with him.

Absolutely this. He is craftier than he used to be.

That's pretty sociopathic. Lucky Chris' IQ isn't high.

 

[Ophelia]

When Chris is released, he'll want to return to 14 BLC. Alternate scenario: Barb (if we takeaway the dementia), knew of Chris accusing her of grooming him will kick him out,

Harriet will do it if Barb won’t. (I still don’t believe we have enough information to declare Barb demented)

 

[IslamicContentental Belt]

Cops are not running a homeless shelter

Someone with a place to go would have either been bonded out or been released on their own recognizance. At a maximum house arrest. Denying bail in a case where they’re really stretching the limits of the charge wouldn’t fly with most judges. Chris’s spergout in his hearing mixed with nobody claiming him or taking him in changed things here. No bond is really unusual for something like this.

There’s all kinds of differences in this situation because of Chris’s infamy mixed with the leaked phone call.

 

[AnOminous]

In this case Barb isn’t even really the accuser as much as the Commonwealth of Virginia. Everyone has this fantasy that Chris is being charged with rape and they’ll lock him up in maximum security and throw away the key. Incest statutes are generally created and charged in cases with a minor victim and adult perpetrator. The law is written in a way where this situation is basically excluded from the statute.

It quite clearly and explicitly criminalizes all sexual intercourse between people between whom marriage would be illegal. It grades severity based on the type of relationship, but it isn't specifically based on age, but on whether there is a victim legally incapable of consent. That is what would make it a felony.

However, it has been repeatedly hammered in over and over again that this isn't what Chris is charged with yet. Nobody has that fantasy who isn't a retard, because it's been thoroughly deboonked. Multiple people have had to practically spam that he isn't charged with rape yet (and may not ever be) over and over.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Nice to know that the loony bin did nothing to help Chris. Seems like there's no hope.

 

[IslamicContentental Belt]

It quite clearly and explicitly criminalizes all sexual intercourse between people between whom marriage would be illegal. It grades severity based on the type of relationship, but it isn't specifically based on age, but on whether there is a victim legally incapable of consent. That is what would make it a felony.

However, it has been repeatedly hammered in over and over again that this isn't what Chris is charged with yet. Nobody has that fantasy who isn't a retard, because it's been thoroughly deboonked. Multiple people have had to practically spam that he isn't charged with rape yet (and may not ever be) over and over.

So you’re saying Chris isn’t charged with rape, isn’t charged with incest, or has been detained 10 months with no charges? Every press article I can find claims charged with incest. I’m not reading the entire board.

The obvious problem with this statute as I’m sure you’ve noticed is that if Barb created this relationship and consented she committed a crime too.

Of course everyone has diagnosed her with dementia based on her being old and her looking out of it in 10 minutes of videos Chris uploaded where they’re begging for money and trying to look pitiable.

 

[xQc]

>There Jail Months have been That Very Same Training Regimine For My Own God Body, right here.

Holy shit are we going to see a jacked Chris Chan? Who knew you could watch Zyzz gym inspo videos in jail.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

So basically Chris said that we're gonna have WW3 and that COVID was a test? Also, do we know if he is just making the WW3 stuff up or if he is up to date with current events in Ukraine?

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Nice to know that the loony bin did nothing to help Chris. Seems like there's no hope.

If one average nut house in Virginia was able to undo in two months the effects of 40 years of delusions that one autistic asshole had been subjected to, USA wouldn't have had mentally ill people to begin with.

But this is not a perfect world.

 

[AnOminous]

So you’re saying Chris isn’t charged with rape, isn’t charged with incest, or has been detained 10 months with no charges? Every press article I can find claims charged with incest. I’m not reading the entire board.

Are you retarded? He is charged with simple incest under § 18.2-366(A). That is all he is charged with, and that has been the case for months, and this is common knowledge. Seriously lurk moar you fucking sped and quit garbaging up the place with stupidity and ignorance that would be easy to rectify.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

Btw can someone please for the life of me finish typing up the rest of the letter? I can't read his shitty handwriting.

 

[AnOminous]

Btw can someone please for the life of me finish typing up the rest of the letter? I can't read his shitty handwriting.

It's not worth reading and I won't even when it's transcribed, the only worthwhile part of it is his criminally sociopathic justifications of why he rammed his bent duck into Barbussy.

 

[IslamicContentental Belt]

Are you retarded? He is charged with simple incest under § 18.2-366(A). That is all he is charged with, and that has been the case for months, and this is common knowledge. Seriously lurk moar you fucking sped and quit garbaging up the place with stupidity and ignorance that would be easy to rectify.

Literally the fucking statute I linked.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

That or Chris has got pissy over her not returning calls, if his lawyer wants to play this game it could backfire. Let's see what @Pointless Sperg thinks.

I have no idea how much Heilberg is involved with this at all so I can't really comment. Ordinarily your attorney would tell you to just shut the fuck up, and limit anything said to deposition/testimony with him present to assist.

Being crazy in jail doesn't get you off the hook for the crime though, your state of mind while the crime was committed is what is important. It also doesn't get you off the hook via incompetence unless your craziness prevents you from understanding what's happening in court.

An attempt by the attorney to get Chris off via incompetence would be ill advised as if the state wants to keep Chris put away, they are still free to go the felony route -- and they don't even have to convict him of anything -- they can just leave him incompetent for 5 years, which is more than he'd probably receive from a guilty plea anyway.

Rob Bell was a good lawyer too and even he could not stop Chris from sperging out in court.

Just because Chris indicates he wants to fight the case in the letter doesn't mean he'll actually do it in court. Chris has to preserve his ego by pretending to be innocent in the letter, but in court he'll just shy away and accept whatever's handed to him just like the past few times, although he'll sperg out a bit here and there, enough to interrupt proceedings for a few seconds but not enough to actually incriminate himself.

Also, the "crazy route" is incredibly difficult to pull off, not like in Batman comics where the Joker can say "Your Honor I murdered those people because the voices". As long as the court can determine that Chris knew incest/rape was illegal, they will get his ass; given that Chris has been actively denying/covering up his crimes, the court will most likely find it so.

They still need other evidence -- either testimony or some sort of physical evidence. They can't convict Chris on a confession in phone calls/letters alone.

Incest statutes are generally created and charged in cases with a minor victim and adult perpetrator. The law is written in a way where this situation is basically excluded from the statute.

In this case, the incest statute is actually the vestigial remains of the old miscegenation law that was shot down in Loving v. Virginia. Interracial sex fell under the same law as incest. (The other oral/anal incest statute is the remains of the sodomy statute. The part banning all anal/oral sex was removed and the incest part and bestiality part remained)

It quite clearly and explicitly criminalizes all sexual intercourse between people between whom marriage would be illegal. It grades severity based on the type of relationship, but it isn't specifically based on age, but on whether there is a victim legally incapable of consent. That is what would make it a felony.

However, it has been repeatedly hammered in over and over again that this isn't what Chris is charged with yet. Nobody has that fantasy who isn't a retard, because it's been thoroughly deboonked. Multiple people have had to practically spam that he isn't charged with rape yet (and may not ever be) over and over.

Are you retarded? He is charged with simple incest under § 18.2-366(A). That is all he is charged with, and that has been the case for months, and this is common knowledge. Seriously lurk moar you fucking sped and quit garbaging up the place with stupidity and ignorance that would be easy to rectify.

He was booked under § 18.2-366(B), which is for fucking your parents/kids. (A) is for uncles and such, and is a Class 1 misdemeanor. Whether or not they changed it to (A) is unknown. Technically, the law defining the wobbler status of Class 5/6 felonies doesn't change the code you're convicted under, just the punishment is different. In practice though, Virginia seems to amend to the statute that is explicitly a misdemeanor. There's nothing that says they should do it this way, but it seems to be done that way for convenience so they can just search by subsection to determine if someone is a felon or not.

For stuff like the hit and run charge, or the incest charge, they can do this. For the Gamestop gas discharge violation, there's no misdemeanor subsection in the statute, which is presumably why they amended it to misdemeanor assault in the verdict. Again, I'm almost certain that they do this for bureaucratic reasons, even though it's perfectly clear that the felony statute is punishable as a misdemeanor without actually altering the charge.

EDIT: I determined this by searching a bunch of random court cases that were charged as wobblers. They always seem to amend to an explicit misdemeanor rather than give a misdemeanor sentence under the Class 5/6 felony code. I don't have any confirmation of this or Virginia legal experience so this is just a guess on my part.

 

[King Kiwi]

"christine, show us on the doll."
"Hmmmmh....Show you What, essactly?"
"show us where you touched barbara."
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Is this just really bad acting or?

 

[Uncle Meat]

To me Chris hasn't changed his tune, he's just realized a little more what he's up against.

Before he thought he could write off incest as some sort of religious ritual. Then it was "It's just between me and mom, and she liked it!" The spell in the nuthouse has convinced him that excuses like those won't get him anywhere. So he retreated to the tried and true criminal's excuse... "I didn't do it... and even if I did, it was her fault." Judges are trained to get dumb statements like that out of accused people. It's as good as an admission. Logically, it can't be both "I didn't do it." and "It was her fault." it stands out as an obvious lie. Any jury in the land will see his weak excuses as 14 foot glowing neon lies and come to the conclusion that he definitely did have sex with his mother, it wasn't a religious ritual, Barb didn't like it or ask for it, and Chris took advantage of an elderly person with dementia.

Perhaps after his psych ward experience, Chris realizes a little better what he is facing. But he doesn't really have any kind of plan for his defense. He just says what he thinks will get him the furthest at any given point. The one thing you can count on is that he is as dumb as a post and he makes a habit of shooting himself in the foot at every opportunity. But making self-serving excuses and lying to cover up is proof that he is aware that he did something wrong. That sinks the insanity defense.

This is a slam dunk for the prosecutor. Chris's attorney's strategy is going to be negotiating a good plea bargain. And every time Chris writes a letter, he cuts off his lawyer's legs a little more. Chris couldn't really do any worse than he has so far... I take that back. He could insist on testifying in his own defense or calling Barb as a witness for the defense.

 

[Stupidface]

It's not worth reading and I won't even when it's transcribed, the only worthwhile part of it is his criminally sociopathic justifications of why he rammed his bent duck into Barbussy.

It was fully transcribed on the cwcki pretty fast anyways, for those who may be seeking it out. Also has highlights section for those not wanting to drudge through the insanity of a motherfucker.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Logically, it can't be both "I didn't do it." and "It was her fault."

Chris has always had this "wanting his cake and eating it too" belief and has never realized that it's not how it goes.

He could insist on testifying in his own defense or calling Barb as a witness for the defense.

It would be record time for the jury or judge to reach a decision because a narcissistic, ego-fueled manchild wanted to prove he was innocent, despite evidence leading to the contrary. If Chris did that, thinking that "it worked well for the guy on TV!", then he screwed himself.