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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I thought this was another interesting glimpse of how Ukrainians are using 3D printing, small civilian drones, and readily available consumer electronics to construct what are essentially reusable flying IEDs (FlyEDs?).
We’re seeing this everywhere there’s access to explosives and drones in a war. Syria and Myanmar, along with the Mosul battle are full of examples like this.
 
We’re seeing this everywhere there’s access to explosives and drones in a war. Syria and Myanmar, along with the Mosul battle are full of examples like this.
True, but not often do we get to see details/mechanisms of the builds, just the results; which makes my desire to know more intensify.
 
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Vatniks got caught trying to present their losses as Ukranian, again. /k/ sides in orbit. Cum/chug/gers left seething and dilateing
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We’re seeing this everywhere there’s access to explosives and drones in a war. Syria and Myanmar, along with the Mosul battle are full of examples like this.

I disagree, one thing that sets Ukrainians apart, there is a huuuuge drone development community. A lot of guys who are into drone flying working with armed forces to develop this shit and test it in the field, the community and hobby groups are very active actually, and they develop both 3D printing tech as well as their own software.

There are also different types of drones, from little observation ones to heavyweight cargo drones that people experiment in the west. It also gave rise to "Aerorosvidka" - air scouting force, a unit in itself.

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This has a lot to do with statistics, in Ukrainian armed forces, something like for 2 soldiers there are 3 higher ed (beyond high school) degrees. The point is, a lot of guys with guns have applied to themselves in studies etc (and unlike in the West, higher ed is not a rite of passage, at least not to the same degree)


what we saw in Syria, few guys here and there actually had to know-how to make some shit and spread the knowledge. Remember the "engineer" who was like the evil genius who can make creative solutions and US took him out. Ukraine is full of those kinds of engineers.

Russian Orlan 10s are fairly low tech, but again, this is an army of largely conscripts who can't be trusted with simple shit for the fear of it breaking, misused or stolen. Russians have an advantage in numbers.

Meh, even if Ukrainian reports are 100% true and russia lost 30k troops it's really not that big a number, there's like 10x that many people in rf prison colonies alone, ripe for penal legions, they have plenty of meat they can toss at the enemy, including everyone in the occupied territory who will be willing to fight for russia under a lucrative "Either you do or we rape and kill your kids in front of you" contract.

may be yes, may be no.

I remember Afgan war well, the official losses (that we know now about 15k over like 10 years), same information blackout, but the amount of fear spread among the population was awful. I was a kid and frequently overhearing conversations of mothers chatting "afganistan" was that boogie word everyone dreaded. The prospect of being sent to Afganistan was worse than death. The horrors we heard were like going into Stephen Kind novel. But in reality, more people died in just mere training (yeah, mortality in just training was always fucking high, Soviet Army killed kids in 1001 way)

So rationally, you are right, but fear "has big eyes" and once it take holds, the prospect of mere consripting becomes like a death sentence (even though it's not that bad)
 
may be yes, may be no.

I remember Afgan war well, the official losses (that we know now about 15k over like 10 years), same information blackout, but the amount of fear spread among the population was awful. I was a kid and frequently overhearing conversations of mothers chatting "afganistan" was that boogie word everyone dreaded. The prospect of being sent to Afganistan was worse than death. The horrors we heard were like going into Stephen Kind novel. But in reality, more people died in just mere training (yeah, mortality in just training was always fucking high, Soviet Army killed kids in 1001 way)

So rationally, you are right, but fear "has big eyes" and once it take holds, the prospect of mere consripting becomes like a death sentence (even though it's not that bad)
I agree, and this is why I don't mention anything about mobilization anywhere near the big population centers (neither does kremlin) and instead point to some 300-500 thousand people in russian prisons, brainwashed peasants in shithole villages and people who are forced into service from occupied areas as a source of meat for the grinder. Those people and their families can whisper and whine all they want and nobody will hear them.

There are a lot of corpses but the only stink I've seen being raised and breaking through the censorship was over the warship moskva sailors and as I said it's probably only because their parents were a little higher on social ladder, even then there wasn't that much resistance and the government felt confident enough to basically tell them to go fuck themselves and forget compensation as their son went AWOL.
 
Russia had 140 million people officially (in reality, it may actually be 10-20 million lower than that) with a huge aging population and a disastrous birth rate. China has around 1.5 billion people with a younger average population than Russia. What you are saying is nonsense, Russia has nowhere near the amount of fresh bodies to throw into the meat-grinder for a long period of time unless the entire nation is quite literally prepared to commit collective suicide.
They have enough to throw into Ukraine..... the days they could have done the same to all of Western Europe? Again and again until they hit the Rhine? or the Pyrenees? Yes, I agree that's over. But they still have more than enough to dump into these "regional" conflicts that are their bread and butter for just that reason. I'm not saying this war is going to go on forever, just that the usual break point of "too many casualties" that gets small nations to stop a war for lack of manpower or non oligarchical ones to stop for actually being able to pressure the state to stop wasting lives? Those don't exist here. Russia doesn't give a fuck about losses from a humanitarian angle and still has more than enough to keep sending in for another year, at least, until everyone gets tired of watching the circus and isn't paying attention as Russia slinks away with a token chunk of territory, calls it a success, and the whole thing starts all over again in some other "contested" area.
 
They have enough to throw into Ukraine..... the days they could have done the same to all of Western Europe? Again and again until they hit the Rhine? or the Pyrenees? Yes, I agree that's over. But they still have more than enough to dump into these "regional" conflicts that are their bread and butter for just that reason. I'm not saying this war is going to go on forever, just that the usual break point of "too many casualties" that gets small nations to stop a war for lack of manpower or non oligarchical ones to stop for actually being able to pressure the state to stop wasting lives? Those don't exist here. Russia doesn't give a fuck about losses from a humanitarian angle and still has more than enough to keep sending in for another year, at least, until everyone gets tired of watching the circus and isn't paying attention as Russia slinks away with a token chunk of territory, calls it a success, and the whole thing starts all over again in some other "contested" area.
people arent going to get tired though
ukrainians are basically in total war mode, full 'victory or death' mindset, they'e not gonna stop fighting until russia is decisively defeated.
and their western allies aren't going to back down either, because they're not the ones suffering casualties so there's no attrition, no war exhaustion pushing public opinion towards accepting an unfavorable peace.
 
Be selected from thousands of conscripts for marksmanship training, spend years training body and mind from best sniper instructors army has.
Be spotted by a drone, three mortar rounds later you are dirt again.





This was posted on another forum in Uki, just dropping it off here FYI with translation:

A special greeting and gratitude to the people of the United States of America for M777s! My men know artillery and they are very greatful for this high precision and highly effective weapon.

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Supposedly (I can't speak russian well enough to understand what's being said maybe someone can confirm/translate) a recording of some of the last words spoken aboard the sunken Moskva appeared.

Video Title: The last recording of the conversation of the dispatcher of the sunken cruiser "Moskva"
 
We’re seeing this everywhere there’s access to explosives and drones in a war. Syria and Myanmar, along with the Mosul battle are full of examples like this.

My favorite is how they turned anti-tank grenades, which are basically useless in a modern high intensity conflict, back into lethal weapons by 3d-printing fins and dropping them from drones; they're now anti-tank glide bombs, precision delivered, by air.
 
Supposedly (I can't speak russian well enough to understand what's being said maybe someone can confirm/translate) a recording of some of the last words spoken aboard the sunken Moskva appeared.

Video Title: The last recording of the conversation of the dispatcher of the sunken cruiser "Moskva"
Some Russian speaking redditor did a translation.

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I mean, to be fair, a Russian warship being on fire and in danger of capsizing is a fairly common state of being for their navy, so I get it as to why they didn't think it was anything out of the ordinary.
Yeah but they dont often shriek abot ultiple holes in the hull. Well unless they've run a Sub aground again.
 
Some Russian speaking redditor did a translation.

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"no approach move" - is actually "I have no power to approach [tug]" which probably means ship totally lost power to maneuver. No idea on codes. Some merch marine chimed in the comments and just said that unfortunately they died in panic, in the dark and in the cold. "Emergency" - is technically "unusual situation" "Ch" - is probably chrezvichainaya "E-mergency" of type 1.

It also seems, like there were a lot more conscripts vs contract sailors. Some areas you had to be escorted by a contractor/prof sailor, and parents complained that their conscript sailors pretty much were confined to specific area and could not get out to call home periodically, while at sea. This being a command ship and potentially carrying nukes, I have no idea why you'd staph it with so many conscripts. It's a shitty time to train people on the job in the middle of conflict.

Also, it seems like some officers off the ship survived, no? I wander if dudes on deck and above just said fuck it and ran to the life boats as fast as their feet could carry them.

The language is almost too clean to come from a Russian sailor though, comparing when Russian navy ran over unarmed Ukrainian tug "Common, fuck, everyone hold it fucking together bitch fuck" and shot it up .... and then they fucking stole a toilet from it (and no, it's not even a joke)

 
"no approach move" - is actually "I have no power to approach [tug]" which probably means ship totally lost power to maneuver. No idea on codes. Some merch marine chimed in the comments and just said that unfortunately they died in panic, in the dark and in the cold. "Emergency" - is technically "unusual situation" "Ch" - is probably chrezvichainaya "E-mergency" of type 1.

It also seems, like there were a lot more conscripts vs contract sailors. Some areas you had to be escorted by a contractor/prof sailor, and parents complained that their conscript sailors pretty much were confined to specific area and could not get out to call home periodically, while at sea. This being a command ship and potentially carrying nukes, I have no idea why you'd staph it with so many conscripts. It's a shitty time to train people on the job in the middle of conflict.

Also, it seems like some officers off the ship survived, no? I wander if dudes on deck and above just said fuck it and ran to the life boats as fast as their feet could carry them.

The language is almost too clean to come from a Russian sailor though, comparing when Russian navy ran over unarmed Ukrainian tug "Common, fuck, everyone hold it fucking together bitch fuck" and shot it up .... and then they fucking stole a toilet from it (and no, it's not even a joke)

What is it with Russian's and stealing Toilets? I mean granted they are convenient to have when you are stuck in your radioactive foxhole, your General is already dead, as is his General, You're being circled by the accursed Turkish robot vultures and the damned Uke's suddenly have better artillery than you. Having your own toilet in such circumstances means the Uke's won't be able to e-mail your parents pictures of your dismembered corpse having crapped its pants in terror. so a small dignity preserved,
 
The language is almost too clean to come from a Russian sailor though
I was pondering if it was fake seeing as how it seems unlikely for Ukraine to intercept such a message, but it would make sense for a disgruntled Russian sailor to release the recording if the Russian government is still refusing to acknowledge the sailors as dead and pay their families the money they are owed.
 
It also seems, like there were a lot more conscripts vs contract sailors. Some areas you had to be escorted by a contractor/prof sailor, and parents complained that their conscript sailors pretty much were confined to specific area and could not get out to call home periodically, while at sea. This being a command ship and potentially carrying nukes, I have no idea why you'd staph it with so many conscripts. It's a shitty time to train people on the job in the middle of conflict.
In 1987 the USS Samuel B Roberts, a dinky OHP frigate, hit a mine that tore a 20-foot hole in the side, flooded the engine room, ripped the main engines off their mounts, and broke the keel. Well trained sailors flex taped that shit together and limped it to Bahrain. It never even lost combat capability as the radars and missiles stayed on line.

The flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, a guided missile cruiser three times the size of the Sammy B, catches two 330lb warheads. Loses main power. Damage control doesn't know what the fuck. Fails to counter-flood. Fire. Sinks.

Yeah, I'm gonna say that's a staffing issue there.
 
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