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Emperorfaggotstar i hopping on the iceberg trend, I'm surprised he didn't feel the need to virtue signal about the confederates being evil huwite men
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The whole ice berg trend is old and lost what made the original have novelty. The earliest one I remember, the Mario 64 one (Probably much earlier ones out there) worked like a trollpasta with the bottom level being saki tsunobashi level shitposts about personalized copies, and it managed to be both very tongue-and-cheek and legitimately creepy (Mario 64 is kind of a creepy desolate game due to early 3D and there is something very nostalgic about 90s/early 2000s gaming urban legends before anyone could really crack the game's source code).

Now it's just used as an autistic way to infodump a ton of theories for x topic someone likes
 
Historians dealing with history post-1815 will almost always have political views if it isn't some history of technical things like guns, vehicles, technologies, etc. Vienna Congress lead to a new paradigm where people see the world in a lens of liberal vs conservative values. Inevitably if you're trying to explain why WWI happened, or the civil war, or 9/11, your liberal vs conservative (vs socialist) beliefs will reflect these events. Still leads to autism nonetheless.
 
Yes because of "muh pagan holiday" even though it's a celebration of Jesus Christ being born.

Whether the date is accurate is another debate entirely and beyond this thread's paygrade.
I remember reading that the date likely comes from an effort to calculate Christ's birthday based on the assumption that he died on the day of his conception, as Jewish tradition dictated that prophets died on either their birthday or conception. Give or take 9 months from Passover in what is typically March and April, and you get December-January for Christmas. If anything, it's possible that the Sol Invictus festival was an attempt by the Imperial Cult to create a pagan substitute for Christmas rather than the other way around. None of this should matter anyway, because the concept of Christmas and Easter as pagan holidays that should not be observed didn't appear until the 18th century among some radical Protestant denominations, so I consider the whole debate to a weird combination of Euphoric Atheism deciding to team up with Protestant theocracy to create one of the dumbest narratives in Christian history.
 
I remember reading that the date likely comes from an effort to calculate Christ's birthday based on the assumption that he died on the day of his conception, as Jewish tradition dictated that prophets died on either their birthday or conception. Give or take 9 months from Passover in what is typically March and April, and you get December-January for Christmas. If anything, it's possible that the Sol Invictus festival was an attempt by the Imperial Cult to create a pagan substitute for Christmas rather than the other way around. None of this should matter anyway, because the concept of Christmas and Easter as pagan holidays that should not be observed didn't appear until the 18th century among some radical Protestant denominations, so I consider the whole debate to a weird combination of Euphoric Atheism deciding to team up with Protestant theocracy to create one of the dumbest narratives in Christian history.
Sol Invictus was chosen because that was a day after Saturnalia that was close to the Summer Solstice in Roman calendars. If I remember right in the mythology for Sol Invictus his birthday (The solstice) marks the last day his fortunes in the war against the night dwindle and represents a turning point in his favor. If that is correct then probably what happened is Aurelian chose that day because he used Sol Invictus to represent Rome's fortunes soon to return after its lowest nadir deep in the crisis. That it also coincided with the this one uppity cult's messiah's birthday is a bonus. That seems like the simplest theory, Sol Invictus being December 25 was a piece of political messaging from Aurelian to reassure Romans that the long night is soon to be shorter and the day was to overtake it. Sol Invictus could be seen as a political holiday, not a pagan holiday. It was a holiday celebrating Rome soon getting out of its deep crisis.
 
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Sol Invictus was chosen because that was the day of the Summer Solstice in Roman calendars. If I remember right in the mythology for Sol Invictus his birthday (The solstice) marks the last day his fortunes in the war against the night dwindle and represents a turning point in his favor. If that is correct then probably what happened is Aurelian chose that day because he used Sol Invictus to represent Rome's fortunes soon to return after its lowest nadir deep in the crisis. That it also coincided with the this one uppity cult's messiah's birthday is a bonus. That seems like the simplest theory, Sol Invictus being December 25 was a piece of political messaging from Aurelian to reassure Romans that the long night is soon to be shorter and the day was to overtake it.
Aurelian definitely tried to push himself as a god, and had made cues of declaring the Imperial cult to be the sole legal religion in the empire, so him choosing to co-opt a major festival of a vastly-growing "atheist" religion seems very likely. The fact that he was recorded as having persecuted Christians definitely strengthens the idea that the Sol Invictus Festival was an effort to deplete the influence of a Christianity in Roman territory.
 
Aurelian definitely tried to push himself as a god, and had made cues of declaring the Imperial cult to be the sole legal religion in the empire, so him choosing to co-opt a major festival of a vastly-growing "atheist" religion seems very likely. The fact that he was recorded as having persecuted Christians definitely strengthens the idea that the Sol Invictus Festival was an effort to deplete the influence of a Christianity in Roman territory.
I could potentially see him having co-opted it, but equally just seems that he wanted to propagandize the notion of Rome being revived from his reign, hence "Restitutor" and "Corrector" being a common epiphet in his titles.

Speaking of Aurelian..

Going to go on a rant. I have seen several times this claim that Aurelian persecuted Christians but it makes little sense to me. The persecution of Christians comes from two sources, Lactantius and Eusebius. Both were very focused on exalting Constantine and heaping praise on him and vilifying anyone who might challenge the narrative. Also they vilified Domitian with the same slander commonly attributed to him which always adds more dubiousness to the claim. The main thing, however is that Constantine was a strongman emperor who reunited a divided empire, modified the currency to deal with inflation, and pushed for a monotheistic religion. These are things which can be attributed also to Aurelian. The glory of Constantine seems less impressive when Aurelian had done these same feats. Given he was already not popular with the senate (Which never is a good measure for how good an emperor is, just look at Domitian and Hadrian), it would be easy for them to smear and exaggerate Aurelian's faults to make him look lesser to Constantine. There is no reason not to believe a lot of the evidence of Aurelian violently persecuting Christians was fabricated or at least exaggerated to condemn him.

Furthermore there are other recordings of Aurelian helping Christians with local affairs. It also makes little sense why he would try to persecute Christians as a whole group when he was trying to stabilize the empire. Aurelian was an older emperor, he would have seen and remembered Decius' failed attempt at persecuting Christians. Not even the sources biased against him mentioned him singling out Christians like how Decius did. Doing so wouldn't make sense because it would lead to more discord and instability, the last thing he wanted. He also wouldn't want to cut down the tax base any more than he had to. Not that he didn't persecute Christians, even Trajan and Marcus Aurelius signed off on low level persecution. He very likely did sign off on a few low level pogroms to get rid of uppity outliers but otherwise why would he care. He only was in a stable political position for a few months before his death and he focused more on construction and economic projects that were of immediate concerns.

I am not trying to be a fanboy for Aurelian. While I respect and admire him, his economics were actually quite terrible (Rant for later) and helped expedite the end of the empire, but most of the evidence of him being this vicious persecutor of Christians just seems politically motivated and tenuous at best. At worst he acted no different than Marcus Aurelius or Trajan persecuting Christians and the politically motivated Lactantius and Eusebius, eager to have a reason to discredit him, latched onto that.

Maybe I haven't read enough sources, but I don't know. I read as many as I could in late 2021 and while I had a pretty negative view on his economics, I really couldn't find much to really prove what Eusebius or Lactantius claimed, unless they have some source lost to us now. Actually kind of wish a history youtuber discussed this kind of stuff. It's clear when it came to being a commander Aurelian was inhuman, but nobody really discusses his policies in depth which is a shame.
 
Said I'd do a rant about Aurelian's economics and here it is, because no youtuber ever talks about it. They only ever talk about his military prowess and geopolitical edicts, which yes they were on another level to any other leader at the time. I think in raw military skill Aurelian surpasses Constantine too, but that's all historical youtubers ever talk about. The most they mentioned is he also reversed debasement of the currency but that isn't enough to fix the economy. A lot of his other economic policies were detrimential.

What were they? Well he increased welfare gibs greatly. He abolished Trajan's welfare system and replaced it with one giving citizens surpluses of pork, salt, olive oil, vinegar, wine, premade bread, and then making it hereditary. He spent so much on welfare he actually had to scale back. He made civilians more reliant on the state than ever, and it's not like he implemented mandatory service or anything. Any civilian regardless of talent can just be bathed in food forever. The hereditary part was then used by Diocletian to enshrine serfdom and a for-life guild system. This system would ruin social mobility and create an even greater class divide and socioeconomic decline of the Roman Empire.

This one thing, alongside his general ruthless and brutal attitude, were his weakest traits. Neither of these people ever really discuss. Had he ruled longer, the military and administrative side of the Roman Empire would be fixed early sure, but economically Rome was still a ticking time bomb.
 
I remember reading that the date likely comes from an effort to calculate Christ's birthday based on the assumption that he died on the day of his conception, as Jewish tradition dictated that prophets died on either their birthday or conception. Give or take 9 months from Passover in what is typically March and April, and you get December-January for Christmas. If anything, it's possible that the Sol Invictus festival was an attempt by the Imperial Cult to create a pagan substitute for Christmas rather than the other way around. None of this should matter anyway, because the concept of Christmas and Easter as pagan holidays that should not be observed didn't appear until the 18th century among some radical Protestant denominations, so I consider the whole debate to a weird combination of Euphoric Atheism deciding to team up with Protestant theocracy to create one of the dumbest narratives in Christian history.
Yeah, a lot of the things relating to "Christmas and Easter are pagan" stem from old Protestant lies that made it's way into the history books. Ironic how Euphoric Atheists and modern Pagan larpers adopted those lies in order to fit their own goals.
I could potentially see him having co-opted it, but equally just seems that he wanted to propagandize the notion of Rome being revived from his reign, hence "Restitutor" and "Corrector" being a common epiphet in his titles.

Speaking of Aurelian..

Going to go on a rant. I have seen several times this claim that Aurelian persecuted Christians but it makes little sense to me. The persecution of Christians comes from two sources, Lactantius and Eusebius. Both were very focused on exalting Constantine and heaping praise on him and vilifying anyone who might challenge the narrative. Also they vilified Domitian with the same slander commonly attributed to him which always adds more dubiousness to the claim. The main thing, however is that Constantine was a strongman emperor who reunited a divided empire, modified the currency to deal with inflation, and pushed for a monotheistic religion. These are things which can be attributed also to Aurelian. The glory of Constantine seems less impressive when Aurelian had done these same feats. Given he was already not popular with the senate (Which never is a good measure for how good an emperor is, just look at Domitian and Hadrian), it would be easy for them to smear and exaggerate Aurelian's faults to make him look lesser to Constantine. There is no reason not to believe a lot of the evidence of Aurelian violently persecuting Christians was fabricated or at least exaggerated to condemn him.

Furthermore there are other recordings of Aurelian helping Christians with local affairs. It also makes little sense why he would try to persecute Christians as a whole group when he was trying to stabilize the empire. Aurelian was an older emperor, he would have seen and remembered Decius' failed attempt at persecuting Christians. Not even the sources biased against him mentioned him singling out Christians like how Decius did. Doing so wouldn't make sense because it would lead to more discord and instability, the last thing he wanted. He also wouldn't want to cut down the tax base any more than he had to. Not that he didn't persecute Christians, even Trajan and Marcus Aurelius signed off on low level persecution. He very likely did sign off on a few low level pogroms to get rid of uppity outliers but otherwise why would he care. He only was in a stable political position for a few months before his death and he focused more on construction and economic projects that were of immediate concerns.

I am not trying to be a fanboy for Aurelian. While I respect and admire him, his economics were actually quite terrible (Rant for later) and helped expedite the end of the empire, but most of the evidence of him being this vicious persecutor of Christians just seems politically motivated and tenuous at best. At worst he acted no different than Marcus Aurelius or Trajan persecuting Christians and the politically motivated Lactantius and Eusebius, eager to have a reason to discredit him, latched onto that.

Maybe I haven't read enough sources, but I don't know. I read as many as I could in late 2021 and while I had a pretty negative view on his economics, I really couldn't find much to really prove what Eusebius or Lactantius claimed, unless they have some source lost to us now. Actually kind of wish a history youtuber discussed this kind of stuff. It's clear when it came to being a commander Aurelian was inhuman, but nobody really discusses his policies in depth which is a shame.
Tbf, Aurelian was relatively more tolerant of Christians than Diocletian was.
 
Yeah, a lot of the things relating to "Christmas and Easter are pagan" stem from old Protestant lies that made it's way into the history books. Ironic how Euphoric Atheists and modern Pagan larpers adopted those lies in order to fit their own goals.

Tbf, Aurelian was relatively more tolerant of Christians than Diocletian was.
While I don't like Constantine and think he has been over-idolized throughout history, Diocletian is one of the most overrated emperors in history period. I find it funny that absolute monarchist larpers idealize a system created by a proto-stalinist who attempted a systematic genocide of Christianity.
 
While I don't like Constantine and think he has been over-idolized throughout history, Diocletian is one of the most overrated emperors in history period. I find it funny that absolute monarchist larpers idealize a system created by a proto-stalinist who attempted a systematic genocide of Christianity.
"What do you mean the Tetrarchy is a bad idea?" -internet monarchist, probably

The only reason Diocletian is praised because he was the one that ended the 3rd Century Crisis. Everything else about him is "meh" to "this is a terrible idea"
 
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Angry at undergrads.


SideQuest, a History YouTuber not talked about in this thread has recently received unreal growth. I remember seeing the channel having 80k or so subs last month and now it's nearing 300k. What happened here?

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In hindsight, it might've been their video on Britain nearly becoming Muslim that blew them up.

They went in right from the start with high quality content that got them word of mouth appeal. Then the algorithm blessed them.
 
"Am I the problem? No, it's the undergrads!"
You're not entirely wrong, but then you hear some stories of undergrads and you start to feel for the teachers...
And that’s the “best case scenario.” Here’s a kid who actually wanted to learn, but had been systemically “helped” to the point where college work was just lost on him. Most of the other kids in my class were just as pig-ignorant, but they thought they were brilliant, because they’d aced all the standardized tests. They all had 4.0 GPAs in high school. They didn’t know what they didn’t know… and I was an asshole for trying to tell them.

I probably could’ve lived with the SJW lunacy forever, because it’s actually pretty easy to ignore. Orwell called it “duckspeak” for a reason — it’s just quack quack quack. You know exactly what they’re going to say about everything, all the time, so you can just zone out when they “talk” to you. You can make little games to amuse yourself, PUA style — drop an “agree and amplify” into a faculty cocktail party, and watch the fun as they all scramble to out-radical each other.

But the kids break your heart, even when you want to cock-slap every blessed one of them for the narcissistic little shits they’ve been made into. I just couldn’t take it anymore.
 
The reason so many trans kids are depressed isn't muh transphobia. It's because they aren't trans and should have never been considered trans in the first place but their nonconformity and anxieties get twisted by social media and malevolant zealots and our entire medical and mental health industry support it as it gives them $$$. If we were in a society that actually cared about dealing with people who have mental health issues, there would be far less trans kids coming out because the only ones that would even exist are ones that are actually mentally ill and people would be focusing on healing and helping them, not just letting them fall to their illness. Any other would just be gay or nonconforming.

The point of medicine is not to make someone feel better. It's to help someone's health. Horomone therapy is terrible for one's nervous system and is at best something to use as a last resort, and the surgery is outright ghoulish barbarism and should be illegal because it's not making anyone physically or mentally healthy at all.
 
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