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From what little I've seen of "Miraculous Ladybug" we should welcome more french-made heroes.
Yeah i have more trust in french animation than anglos these days. At least many of the artstyles are more varied and they can emulate anime artstyles better.
As someone who enjoyed Code Lyoko and Ōban Star-Racers, I welcome our French animation heroes with open arms. The French are even animating Genndy Tartakovsky’s shows!

For a pipe dream show, I’d love if we just got a full blown space opera for older audiences. There have been close attempts but I really can’t name a true animated equivalent to something like Star Trek or Babylon 5.
 
As someone who enjoyed Code Lyoko and Ōban Star-Racers, I welcome our French animation heroes with open arms. The French are even animating Genndy Tartakovsky’s shows!

For a pipe dream show, I’d love if we just got a full blown space opera for older audiences. There have been close attempts but I really can’t name a true animated equivalent to something like Star Trek or Babylon 5.
Well, there's always the works of Moebius.
 
Maybe action cartoons that have heroes and villains like Transformers and G.I Joe form the 80s but with out the constant lore maybe?
A little skeptical on action shows ever making a comeback in current year. It feels like there are far too many factors against them, from censorship to profit. Outside of Nickelodeon, really only due to TMNT, the genre as a whole basically died as it was too expensive without much return as toys were not selling like they used to. Viewership was also pretty bad. Some of this can be blamed on the companies, like Young Justice having poor quality merchandise, and the DC shows relegated to early morning Saturday, but even prior it seemed like the writing was on the wall. These shows thrived on toys more than anything, but kids today are kinda hard to predict as while some merch like Paw Patrol seems to sell, a lot of the older kids, 7 and up, that toys were marketed towards are now become less of an audience with game consoles and IPads replacing them. Unironically, a lot of these soy lore shows are probably thriving on millennial and early Z consoomers who buy up the Steven funko pops. With them being lower quality budgeted, they can make it on that, but action probably cannot for very long.

We are in a bad era where animation has kinda been shitcanned for half a decade to where most don’t care, and kids are not watching animation as much as YT Vloggers, or whatever popular YT and Tik Tok personality they like. Currently, the two hopes for action animation are Batman and Avatar, which are both shaky and we’re part of the 2010s fall, so hopefully they can pull through to spark a new era, otherwise, I wouldn’t get hopes up for a huge revival.
 
Tumblr drooling over this show aside, it wasn’t a bad finale, at least compared to some of the ones we had over the past years. In a ways, Amphibia, and soon Owl House, ending marks the end of an era of animation. The lore shows that started with AT and GF are all but dead and the way animation is currently shipping up, they don’t seem to have a future.
Out of all the post GF shows, I have a soft spot for Amphibia so this is pretty sombering to think about.
didn't notice the bi sticker.
I personally don't really care since like I said I did find the two characters entertaining. I just didn't relaize that was the direction they were going with them. Of course twitter and tumbler would be screeching about it. But at this point I don't care what those people have to think.
The only problem that I have with that pairing it's that is a thing that the series doesn't convey by itself because those two barely interacted together, will be fun when somebody watches Amphibia in 10 years and tries to scroll down millions of twitter posts to get the full context.

But yeah, it was an ok ending, there was some things that I found pretty retarded Anne's clone, the super secret sacrificial spell and the gem god being introduced right in the last second but it still have great moments even if the execution was iffy. Really that's how I would describe the entirety of Amphibia, it's a good show with good ideas but it has a really but REALLY flawed execution and in many parts a shit pacing (god, the earth episodes were such a waste of time).

And yet it was probably the best lore show of the 2010's I will miss it but I agree that the formula of this type of shows is already screaming for a change and I would not mind a little more of variety in the general landscape with more action cartoons.
 
The only problem that I have with that pairing it's that is a thing that the series doesn't convey by itself because those two barely interacted together, will be fun when somebody watches Amphibia in 10 years and tries to scroll down millions of twitter posts to get the full context.

But yeah, it was an ok ending, there was some things that I found pretty retarded Anne's clone, the super secret sacrificial spell and the gem god being introduced right in the last second but it still have great moments even if the execution was iffy. Really that's how I would describe the entirety of Amphibia, it's a good show with good ideas but it has a really but REALLY flawed execution and in many parts a shit pacing (god, the earth episodes were such a waste of time).

And yet it was probably the best lore show of the 2010's I will miss it but I agree that the formula of this type of shows is already screaming for a change and I would not mind a little more of variety in the general landscape with more action cartoons.
So about that. So is Anna dead and the one at the end is a clone? I didn't completely get that
 
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So about that. So is Anna dead and the one at the end is a clone? I didn't completely get that
The gem god made a copy of her before "dying" because she proved herself or some shit like that, she has all her memories and stuff so this is technically Anne 2 the original is "dead" but really it was just a convoluted way to have a death scene with not actual consequences, which to me cheapens the moment a lot
 
The gem god made a copy of her before "dying" because she proved herself or some shit like that, she has all her memories and stuff so this is technically Anne 2 the original is "dead" but really it was just a convoluted way to have a death scene with not actual consequences, which to me cheapens the moment a lot
the only cartoon I can think of that killed off a major character in the finale was Regular show with Pops(there is fern form Adventure Time but he wasnt really a major character for most of the series). I mean Anne who we follow throughout the show is technically dead through even if confusing
 
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the only cartoon I can think of that killed off a major character in the finale was Regular show with Pops(there is fern form Adventure Time but he wasnt really a major character for most of the series). I mean Anne who we follow throughout the show is technically dead through even if confusing
I hate it when they do that shit. For Christ's sake, either kill a character or don't! Don't just pull some dumbass gotcha!

I dunno, maybe it's just a bias against that cliche; I actually dumped a webcomic recently when they pulled that cheap-ass stunt.
 
The gem god made a copy of her before "dying" because she proved herself or some shit like that, she has all her memories and stuff so this is technically Anne 2 the original is "dead" but really it was just a convoluted way to have a death scene with not actual consequences, which to me cheapens the moment a lot
It’s the same problem I had with Grunkle Stan sacrificing his memories in his show’s finale. Both creators really wanted to make a dark, impactful moment in their final episodes but backtrack when it gets too dark, making you wonder why they bothered in the first place.
the only cartoon I can think of that killed off a major character in the finale was Regular show with Pops(there is fern form Adventure Time but he wasnt really a major character for most of the series). I mean Anne who we follow throughout the show is technically dead through even if confusing
Voltron: Legendary Defender also killed off one of it’s lead characters, controversial as that was. In Amphibia’s case, it was quickly glossed and all but swept under the rug in the last few moments, making it even harder to follow and cheapening the impact more.
 
Maybe action cartoons that have heroes and villains like Transformers and G.I Joe form the 80s but with out the constant lore maybe?
I would like some new action/adventure shows but no generic heroes or villains, I’m rather bored of the heroes vs villains trope.

I'm fine for a break. But I wouldn't mind them coming back in the future. Those cartoons weren't generally bad. Some just got way out of hand.
I agree.

In my opinion, the lore in lore-focused show was not very good. I love mythology and legends but the lore in shows like Adventure Time or Amphibia was all over the place.
 
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Also cross post from the Disney thread, drawn together was such a fucking hilarious show.
Why do people say the Drawn Together movie was bad? A good chunk of its scenes are hilarious. This one being probably one of the best of the series.
Drawn Together to me was more like Family Guy, but if done better. The humor itself may have been crass, but there was a slight intelligence to the jokes that made it very watchable in its early run. I liken it to Wonder Showzen with the way how they cleverly use old and well established cartoon characters from the past.

Also, Adam Corolla knocks it out the park:

 
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