Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Bush King]

I disagree with this analogy. There is evidence that supervised injection sites cut OD deaths considerably and help people get clean. Vancouver has these legal heroin clinics and has had great success. It sounds crazy but if it works, it works.
@Bush King I don't think these things should be compared. Harm reduction for drug addicts has good evidence for lessening death and even addiction itself. But saying hormones and surgeries are "harm reduction" when they don't lead to longlasting mental health benefits is just wrong. There is no harm being reduced. It's adding physical harm because there are lifelong and unfixable effects. Tranny activists will pretend they are all like the rare cases like that Netflix movie where she cuts her dick off.

I think the analogy is perfect. We can see it actively happening in front of us as people post here. We follow a select group of obsessive SRS posters. They endlessly talk about their next fix literally because of how many revisions they undergo. They put their entire lives on hold, quitting jobs, ending education, staying home as AGPs while their pregnant wives work, all for a years-long surgery schedule. Once it's finally up, they don't find themselves happier. They take one of two roads: extending the process by finding more surgeries they need to get the sex change because their past operations had issues they can see clearly after the high subsides/spend several more years with detransition surgeries, or they self-destruct and get even worse mentally because they have no more goals. You don't think it's harm reduction because you are rational and perceive these processes for what they are- normies and trans activists see at harm reduction because the alternative is death (by suicide), but of course there are worse results post-op.

I don't want to derail this even more so I'll have my final piece on harm reduction: cutting OD deaths is all well and good but it's a misleading statistic. There is far more societal harm in encouraging these things. I don't hold a high price on the lives of those who willingly put themselves in the position to OD. Anyone taking drugs has to accept the risks. I accept the risk of cancer from smoking. I don't accept the risk of OD'ing from heroin or fucking up my life with crack. Making it safer takes away the responsibility from these decisions. There were never any needles in my local park until junkies were able to get free needles and substitute drugs from the hospital. Harm reduction for the dope fiend is harm production for society.

 

[trickyzerg23]

People have the right to do whatever they want with their own bodies and if that means dying in a ditch behind a clinic of an overdose or because they fooled themselves that a necrotic flesh wound was a good idea so be it, I won't stop them. That doesn't mean I have to pay for it or that we should accept the idea that harm reduction is a solution or even the end goal. These people are loonies and should be treated as such.

Too bad, you're already paying for it. Even if you live in a red state, you pay Medicare taxes. The federal government then issues Medicare grants to the states, so that blue states can use their own state-level resources to fund slicin' and dicin'. You hand your money over to the feds, who then hand money over to the states, freeing up blue states' health care resources to be squandered on state-funded tranny surgeries and hormones for children. It's the same song and dance as the Hyde Amendment: a fake protection that has no actual impact. Arbitrarily labeling different piles of money when it's all the same bucket of resources: a US Government specialty. Money is fungible and you are already being compelled to pay for trannycare at the point of the government's gun.

 

[Bush King]

Too bad, you're already paying for it. Even if you live in a red state, you pay Medicare taxes. The federal government then issues Medicare grants to the states, so that blue states can use their own state-level resources to fund slicin' and dicin'. You hand your money over to the feds, who then hand money over to the states, freeing up blue states' health care resources to be squandered on state-funded tranny surgeries and hormones for children. It's the same song and dance as the Hyde Amendment: a fake protection that has no actual impact. Arbitrarily labeling different piles of money when it's all the same bucket of resources: a US Government specialty. Money is fungible and you are already being compelled to pay for trannycare at the point of the government's gun.

I agree that the government is, indeed, retarded.

 

[Goody McUsername]

He's going to need something to cover that frankenstein scar just below his hairline. Did he get his brains put out alongside his face lift? Either way, his face looks plastered with foundation in these photos anyway.

That brow, dude.

 

[Positron]

the graft of mucosa extracted from the jejunum is used to line the vaginal canal, and because it's a pink and naturally humid mucosa it's very similar to the natal vaginal canal.

Down to such details as producing digestive enzymes!

You are right in that this problem is entirely comparable with drug abuse though.

And just as drugs of abuse aren't "human right", neither should be gender "affirmation".

 

[Peaches Demure]

"runs out of time"

Bitch, you PAID for the fucking surgery. Unless it takes all fucking twelve hours of his work day you should be asking for your money back. "Whoopsie, ran out of time, just deal with having one implant in your boobs until your next appointment, more money please!" That doesn't fly in cosmetic surgery, it shouldn't fly in your attempt to stave off adulthood and responsibility. If you were a real MAN you would have the spine to tell him to fuck off and fix it all today, not be an agreeable, nice little bitch and accept him taking advantage of you.

I hate to be playing the devil's advocate here, but in most hospitals, the OR is booked according to a schedule. Each surgical team will have to estimate the amount of time they'll need to complete the surgery, and sometimes they miscalculate. It might very well be the case that the lowering of Elephant Dick's stomach trunk will need to be completed in 3 hours (pulling these numbers out of my ass obviously, but you get the idea) because another doctor will need the OR later that day. Or maybe even Cetrulo himself has another surgery booked for later that day.

 

[Mr.Glue]

Many transgender self-help groups that organize around the claim of harm reduction ( what surgeon to avoid, how to work insurance) end up becoming grooming circles since they talk troonspeak. The head honcho AGPs don‘t realize they project their delusions onto their following, so via social contagion they all end up isolating from reality and bonding more with the group, with the result of a lot of them cutting their cocks off. I‘d be fine with that if they didn’t talk to minors and actively worked towards making transition into the big truscum ensurance scam it is today.

 

[Dylan]

AGP troons being delusional and prohecting their fetishes is not the main driver here. These people gebuinely want to multiply their numbers, butchering is not helping their PR. But that's not all, a lot of AGP troons have other fetishes such as sissification, castration, and emasculation. They want to do this to other to satisfy themselves.

 

[Bush King]

I hate to be playing the devil's advocate here, but in most hospitals, the OR is booked according to a schedule. Each surgical team will have to estimate the amount of time they'll need to complete the surgery, and sometimes they miscalculate. It might very well be the case that the lowering of Elephant Dick's stomach trunk will need to be completed in 3 hours (pulling these numbers out of my ass obviously, but you get the idea) because another doctor will need the OR later that day. Or maybe even Cetrulo himself has another surgery booked for later that day.

That's one thing, but this girl has a dozen surgeries lined up for something most troons have done in one (not counting revisions). Seems like a scam.

 

[Kelly's Yeeted Legs]

I disagree with this analogy. There is evidence that supervised injection sites cut OD deaths considerably and help people get clean. Vancouver has these legal heroin clinics and has had great success. It sounds crazy but if it works, it works.
@Bush King I don't think these things should be compared. Harm reduction for drug addicts has good evidence for lessening death and even addiction itself.

A family acquaintance went to England after high school to register as a heroin addict to get free drugs. He came back a couple years later after getting rid of his new heroin addiction and acquiring a wife who spoke no English, but never lost his appreciation for serious narcotics, which made him lots of fun at parties, except for the Demerol suppositories he always offered around. I still miss that madlad.

 

[cuddle striker]

Many transgender self-help groups that organize around the claim of harm reduction ( what surgeon to avoid, how to work insurance) end up becoming grooming circles since they talk troonspeak. The head honcho AGPs don‘t realize they project their delusions onto their following, so via social contagion they all end up isolating from reality and bonding more with the group, with the result of a lot of them cutting their cocks off. I‘d be fine with that if they didn’t talk to minors and actively worked towards making transition into the big truscum ensurance scam it is today.

I wouldn't call any kind of volunteer for experimental surgery "harm reduction", I think only proven procedures and clinical trials qualify for that.

there wouldn't need to be secrecy, any discussion about "which surgeon will do this", etc. it would be standardized. even requiring a psychiatrist to sign off that the person has been fully informed of risks and aftereffects, requiring them to meet with someone who's already had the same procedure- yes, gatekeeping but with the goal of safety overall.

much like giving out clean needles alone doesn't make a heroin addiction safe (they'd still be buying adulterated drugs).

on the related note of harm reduction in general, it's the costs associated with overdose, infections, and theft to provide money for the habit that are a first concern. whether or not people are progressing beyond that is the step taken after you've cleaned up these priorities.

 

[Peaches Demure]

That's one thing, but this girl has a dozen surgeries lined up for something most troons have done in one (not counting revisions). Seems like a scam.

Phalloplasty as a concept is a scam, considering it's not possible to create a penis from arm/leg/stomach flesh, but I agree that Elephant Dick is being used as a guinea pig by this surgeon.

 

[sanguis draconis]

there wouldn't need to be secrecy, any discussion about "which surgeon will do this", etc. it would be standardized. even requiring a psychiatrist to sign off that the person has been fully informed of risks and aftereffects, requiring them to meet with someone who's already had the same procedure- yes, gatekeeping but with the goal of safety overall.

Yeah, they really need to divide the trans thing and make the "you don't need dysphoria to be trans crowd" don't have access to medical transition (since it's, by their own admission, not a medical issue), then reevalute the best practices with psych treatment (the demographics have changed so much the old studies don't really reflect reality anymore).

As I've mentioned some people seem to have "gender dysphoria" that's much more about beeing seen as a different sex (such as the salmacian crowd that has no problem keeping their vags), while others have distress about their own bodies. We would have to see if that distress can be resolved with therapy or drugs (wasn't there a study on anti-psychotics?).

From that, if there's really no other way (and I would imagine if anyone is in that category it would be very few) they would need some form of standardized procedure, for the mtfs either the nullo or finally documenting a standard way to be zero-depth (right now even that has no real method, they can't even decide if they make a "dimple" or not). For the ftms I have no idea, seems like just hysterectome/vaginectomy is all they can realistically get.

I'm honestly not sure we would even need to create that standardized surgery though, the idea of SRS as treatment originally was from a time were surgeons were way too confident with their "intersex" surgeries and hability to create genitals (you can see this specially with the cases of David Reimer and the other boys that lost their penis to botched circumcisions that the doctors decided could just be changed to women and get McIndoe neovags and everything would be fine).

Unfortunately we are not not allowed to study this stuff properly in current climate, so everything is speculation.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

I disagree with this analogy. There is evidence that supervised injection sites cut OD deaths considerably and help people get clean. Vancouver has these legal heroin clinics and has had great success. It sounds crazy but if it works, it works.
@Bush King I don't think these things should be compared. Harm reduction for drug addicts has good evidence for lessening death and even addiction itself. But saying hormones and surgeries are "harm reduction" when they don't lead to longlasting mental health benefits is just wrong. There is no harm being reduced. It's adding physical harm because there are lifelong and unfixable effects. Tranny activists will pretend they are all like the rare cases like that Netflix movie where she cuts her dick off.

I agree. They like to coopt feminist arguments about how women shouldn't have to shave as an excuse for being disgusting male pigs. The problem is, even hairy women are women but male hair is actually structurally different so if they actually had dysphoria and cared about passing at all, they'd just remove it.

It's not the same thing because yes heroin has ill effects on people's health and people can OD but eventually if they stop doing heroin, they cease to be junkies. It's not an irreversible body modification.

 

[Murderous Anas]

That's one thing, but this girl has a dozen surgeries lined up for something most troons have done in one (not counting revisions). Seems like a scam.

I agree with what you're saying, but the majority of surgeons don't do phalloplasty or even metoidioplasty in a single surgery. It varies a lot from surgeon to surgeon, they like to claim it's between 2-4 procedures, but the complication/revision rate seems pretty astronomically high. I've heard of someone who's had 20+ revisions and her dick still doesn't work right.

I think I remember someone posting in this thread about a surgeon in Europe (Germany maybe?) doing most of it in one procedure, but I'm not sure if it's even possible to do everything at the same time, and I don't want to imagine how much worse they would turn out if they did the skin grafting/phallus creation, urethral lengthening, erectile device, glanplasty, vaginectomy, and testicle implants all in one go. Seems like a real good way to have the thing rot off right before you die of sepsis. I know for sure that the method Elephant Dick's butcher used isn't compatible with a lot of these things until 3rd or 4th stage.

Anyway, Peaches is 100% right here - Cetrulo is definitely using patients as his guinea pigs, and most, if not all of the other phalloplasty specialists do too.

 

[neverendingmidi]

Holy shit. Imagine this happening with other "life saving", "medically necessary" surgeries. The plan isn't clear because the srs butcher is EXPERIMENTING.

Hell, when I had surgery for an ovarian cyst, my doctor walked through every possibility from “simple walk-in/walk-out laprascopy” to “if we find cancerous tumors do you want your whole reproductive system scooped out as a precaution or do you want to plan on chemo?”

The idea that these loons just sit back, inhale the anesthetic and hope for the best is hilarious.

 

[Peaches Demure]

I thought I'd update y'all on Trench Torso's latest Reddit escapades:



What do you think, guys? Are she and her mother both batshit crazy, or is Trench Torso completely out of her mind and hallucinating these exchanges?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/ur1la8/physicallysexually_assaulted_for_being_trans/

 

[2525ABC]

This AGP got FFS and thinks they don't need makeup anymore to be stealth.

 

[neverendingmidi]

I thought I'd update y'all on Trench Torso's latest Reddit escapades:

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What do you think, guys? Are she and her mother both batshit crazy, or is Trench Torso completely out of her mind and hallucinating these exchanges?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/ur1la8/physicallysexually_assaulted_for_being_trans/

I’m going to laugh my ass off if mom is spraying her with jock itch or athlete’s foot medication.


At least it’s an anti-fungal…

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

I thought I'd update y'all on Trench Torso's latest Reddit escapades:

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What do you think, guys? Are she and her mother both batshit crazy, or is Trench Torso completely out of her mind and hallucinating these exchanges?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/ur1la8/physicallysexually_assaulted_for_being_trans/

I think she is literally experiencing clinical psychosis. The delusions about being poisoned are really prevalent here and are a classic psychotic delusion. Just wait... next she'll be saying her food was tampered with/poisoned. Really professional of the dumbass medical people who gave this bitch T. Now she's psychotic AND enraged from being on T.
This bitch can't even follow simple scar aftercare instructions and starts a massive fungal skin infection by doing her own shit she made up. And is so delusional, after all that she thinks she is some kind of skincare expert and wants to write a book on her souper sikkirt skin concoctions.
The actual manly thing for her to do would be to admit she fucked up and was a dumbass. Not be bitchy to anyone she thinks is implying she caused her fungal infection (she did).

I’m going to laugh my ass off if mom is spraying her with jock itch or athlete’s foot medication.
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At least it’s an anti-fungal…

Dumb retard claimed she was sprayed with pesticides lol. I guess this Very Smart skin expert negress doesn't know the difference between a pesticide and an antifungal.