Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Based Boy]

So, that Bucha Massacre...it has to be real, right? It'd be way too convoluted to fake that. That being the case, how fucked is Russia, assuming the rest of the world actually bothers to press charges for war crimes?

Even if it is real, nothing will changed. If no concrete proof is presented by independent investigation, Russia will deny any allegation of war crimes outright. They also need to find perpetrators of the alleged crimes and go through chain of command to see from how high the order was given to carry it out, which is a big ask, if they can't defeat Russia.
And if they simply try to force their version of the events, without any good evidence for it, it's not like Europe or America can apply that much more pressure on Russia without going into an all out war to make it submit and accept responsibility for any crime the West will try to throw at them.
Neutral countries will not bother pressing any charges just to not sour relations with Russia.
tl;dr Nothingburger.

 

[Givi]

There is no other operational tank factory in Russia besides Uralvagonzavod. The other one, Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant, just makes bulldozers now and maybe chassis for Self propelled howitzers.

Actually, Omsktransmash apparently also makes tanks, or at the very least, is capable of modernizing them. They're also owned by the Uralvagonzavod group, but it's a different factory I believe.

Here's a picture of the inside from a school trip in 2018. They were apparently working on modernizing some T-80s then, they received a contract to modernize 62 of them in 2017 , 31 to be delivered in 2018 and 2019.

There's no way the Russian tank industry is centralized into one factory. The US only has 1 but they export a lot less, only a couple of thousand Abrams ever got sold IIRC.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

to defend their allegiance to a corrupt Jewish kleptocracy that advocated, no demanded, the death and suffering of its own citizens, for merely being, speaking and writing Russian (which most are, even the scum in the current Ukrainian government have several Russian ethnics).

Weird how plenty of regions in Ukraine still speak prodominately Russian, but aside from the aftermath of the 2014 coup things haven't been too bad for them in the 2015-2021 years. It's almost like something sets the Donbass regions apart from the rest of Ukraine.

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https://www.britannica.com/event/Malaysia-Airlines-flight-17#ref1250195

SA-11 Gadfly

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Basically the only evidence that Ukraine was the one that did it was that they also use the SA-11. From the fact the plane traveled from Ukrainian airspace into separatist controlled airspace, to how Russian state media celebrated a shoot down of an aircraft before dropping the story just as fast.

 

[Su-27 Flanker-B]

Actually, Omsktransmash apparently also makes tanks, or at the very least, is capable of modernizing them. They're also owned by the Uralvagonzavod group, but it's a different factory I believe.

Here's a picture of the inside from a school trip in 2018. They were apparently working on modernizing some T-80s then, they received a contract to modernize 62 of them in 2017 , 31 to be delivered in 2018 and 2019.

There's no way the Russian tank industry is centralized into one factory. The US only has 1 but they export a lot less, only a couple of thousand Abrams ever got sold IIRC.

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I'd wager they keep some factories secret, or at least concealed. But might as well be wrong.

 

[Male Idiot]

Holols and ruskies are both equally likely to shoot some planes down or shoot some civilians. Just a slavic past time.

 

[kuuu]

Please tell me that Bush Jr. has a cameo. This is surreal. Fkn how?

There is nothing to say yet. This is just a preview of those prankers that had gotten two dumb bongs before. Full release on Thursday/Friday.
With bongs they had a disclaimer that they wouldn't release the most spicy info. I wonder how this one will go.

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Holols and ruskies are both equally likely to shoot some planes down or shoot some civilians. Just a slavic past time.

Indeed.

 

[White_N]

Weird how plenty of regions in Ukraine still speak prodominately Russian, but aside from the aftermath of the 2014 coup things haven't been too bad for them in the 2015-2021 years. It's almost like something sets the Donbass regions apart from the rest of Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass managed to stop Ukrainian tanks, others didn't. Just look at what happened in Mariupol in 2014 and say that "things haven't been too bad for them."

Basically the only evidence that Ukraine was the one that did it was that they also use the SA-11. From the fact the plane traveled from Ukrainian airspace into separatist controlled airspace, to how Russian state media celebrated a shoot down of an aircraft before dropping the story just as fast.

The theory was, and I quote, "According to the JIT, the Buk that was used originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area and the launch system returned to Russia afterwards."

So the Russians gave separatists Buk on the exact day that plane crashed and then returned on the same day for... reasons.
Don't you think it's a lot of mental gymnastics to try to say that Russians or separatists killed a lot of people for no reason at all?

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

So, that Bucha Massacre...it has to be real, right? It'd be way too convoluted to fake that. That being the case, how fucked is Russia, assuming the rest of the world actually bothers to press charges for war crimes?

Russia is definitely capable of massacres, but the Bucha story looks like obvious bullshit and it's a lot more likely their friendly neighborhood nazis came in and murdered people holding Russian ration boxes, to encourage the others. The definition of "traitor" is pretty fucking loose in Ukraine these days, they literally murdered one of their own peace negotiators so nobody's going to ask too many inconvenient questions about some dead rando hicks.

We'll never know for sure tho, and it makes zero difference to the NATO-Russia conflict, which is about power and money, "human rights" is just birdfeed for the gullible.

 

[White_N]

Please tell me that Bush Jr. has a cameo. This is surreal. Fkn how?
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There is nothing to say yet. This is just a preview of those prankers that had gotten two dumb bongs before. Full release on Thursday/Friday.

These guys became national treasure by committing the most ridiculous things-telephone pranks at the geopolitical level.

 

[kuuu]

The theory was, and I quote, "According to the JIT, the Buk that was used originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area and the launch system returned to Russia afterwards."

So the Russians gave separatists Buk on the exact day that plane crashed and then returned on the same day for... reasons.
Don't you think it's a lot of mental gymnastics to try to say that Russians or separatists killed a lot of people for no reason at all?

On that day Putin was flying from Brazil to Moscow. Surely that was unrelated.

 

[White_N]

On that day Putin was flying from Brazil to Moscow. Surely that was unrelated.

Зрада from Russian officers? Poisoned brazilian beef? And many more from the most reliable journos in town.

 

[White_N]

Video of the departure of a group of prisoners from the territory of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.

Wounded Azov soldiers in one of the DPR hospitals.

Emperor protects

 

[kuuu]

Cannes festival opening.

 

[Givi]

Following the new internet normal of everybody wanting donations for everything and according to Slavic tradition of crowdfunding wars because the state is too incompetent and or poor to provide their soldiers with necessary shit, the following items were recently purchased for donation.

1. Three sets of military clothing were purchased, with a total cost of 10,500 rubles
2. Three pairs of specialized shoes were purchased, with a total cost of 25,500 rubles
3. A pair of specialized shoes was purchased, worth 8,990 rubles
4. Two bandages "Z-fold Gauze and a Celox bandage (bandage) were purchased Z folded 3M", with a total cost of 12,000 rubles
5. Three nasopharyngeal air ducts were purchased, with a total cost of 1,800 rubles
6. Seven pairs of tactical gloves were purchased, with a total cost of 6,329 rubles
7. Two units of Howard Leight Impact Sport replica tactical headphones (workers) were purchased, with a total cost of 7,000 rubles
8. One set of military clothing was purchased, worth 4,500 rubles
9. Three panama hats of summer 5.11 Boonie Hat, Ranger Green color, with a total cost of 12,450 rubles were purchased
10. Four first-aid kit pouches were purchased, with a total cost of 9,500 rubles
11. Three first-aid kit pouches (two small, one large SRVV) were purchased, with a total cost of 8,025 rubles
12. Three active headphones were purchased, a replica Tactical 6S rifle, with a total cost of 11,106 rubles
13. One unit of Howard Leight Impact Sport Tactical active headphones was purchased / Original / With active noise reduction, the cost is 15,900 rubles
14. One set of military clothing was purchased, worth 5,000 rubles
15. One balaclava was purchased, worth 650 rubles
16. Three pairs of tactical knee pads and elbow pads were purchased , with a total cost of 4,790 rubles
17. One flash drive was purchased for the SanDisk Extreme microSDXC Class 10 UHS Class 3 V 30 A 2 160MB/s 64GB + SD adapter, worth 1,790 rubles
18. Four panama hats of summer 5.11 Boonie Hat, Ranger Green color, with a total cost of 16,600 rubles were purchased
19. Six Helikon Level 1 balaclavas were purchased, with a total cost of 6,900 rubles
20. Three pairs of specialized shoes were purchased, with a total cost of 25,500 rubles
21. One SanDisk Extreme microSDXC Class 10 UHS Class 3 V 30 A 2 160MB/s 64GB + SD adapter flash drive was purchased, with a cost of 1,790 rubles
22. Twenty units of Duracell (AAA) batteries for tactical headphones were purchased, worth 1,900 rubles
23. Was purchased DJI Air 2S quadcopter in "Combo" configuration
24. Individual dressing packages of PPI(E)-10 Apollo in the amount of 14 pieces were purchased
25. The multibandana "Alloy Spectrum Digital" was purchased
26. Tactical scissors "Takchears Tracks" were purchased
27. Two sets of military clothing (jacket and trousers) were purchased

All of this came around to 403,386 rubles or around 6,169 dollars.

Edit: I do believe it's for separatist fighters. However, the Russians really should have provided them with this stuff since they were probably fairly aware they'd have to put out a general mobilization. It's not like they don't have the production capacity for balaclavas and camo t-shirts, or that these things are at all expensive, but I guess we're expecting Eastern Euro states to be more competent than they're capable of.

 

[UVB-76]

Here's those nice Hohols engaging in a cultural exchange with a middle aged female veterinarian:

I'm obviously not defending harassment and vandalism, the people who did that would be acting up with language laws or not.

If Ukraine were so desperate to get into the EU then they should have taken a leaf out of the books of some of its members in how they treat minority languages. This is not the way.

How many EU countries allow official government business to be conducted in minority languages and dialects? I don't think their judges/juries or random desk bureaucrats are required to understand that many languages and keep duplicates of documents and forms to accommodate those speakers. Usually translators are provided.

So they say. Ukraine used the exact same SA-11 Gadfly surface to air missiles. Would be highly unfortunate for the west if the investigation concluded that the regime you just helped install ended up shooting down an airliner

As I have posted earlier on this thread, the Buk launcher fired from a separatist region (confirmed by photo of a smoke trail during moment of the launch and by the scorch mark left on the field) was confirmed to have been the 332-marked vehicle from the 53rd anti air missile brigade stationed in Kursk. Thanks to the Russian soldiers who posted pictures of their vehicles on Vkontakte.

Also, Igor Girkin posted that the separatists had shot down an Ukrainian military transport, and as soon as news came out that it was an airliner, he deleted the posts.
"So they say" my ass. We got the smoking gun. Smoking missile launcher, in this case.
Don't question my autism.

 

[White_N]

Following the new internet normal of everybody wanting donations for everything and according to Russian tradition of crowdfunding wars because the state is too incompetent and or poor to provide their soldiers with necessary shit, the following items were recently purchased for donation.

1. Three sets of military clothing were purchased, with a total cost of 10,500 rubles
2. Three pairs of specialized shoes were purchased, with a total cost of 25,500 rubles
3. A pair of specialized shoes was purchased, worth 8,990 rubles
4. Two bandages "Z-fold Gauze and a Celox bandage (bandage) were purchased Z folded 3M", with a total cost of 12,000 rubles
5. Three nasopharyngeal air ducts were purchased, with a total cost of 1,800 rubles
6. Seven pairs of tactical gloves were purchased, with a total cost of 6,329 rubles
7. Two units of Howard Leight Impact Sport replica tactical headphones (workers) were purchased, with a total cost of 7,000 rubles
8. One set of military clothing was purchased, worth 4,500 rubles
9. Three panama hats of summer 5.11 Boonie Hat, Ranger Green color, with a total cost of 12,450 rubles were purchased
10. Four first-aid kit pouches were purchased, with a total cost of 9,500 rubles
11. Three first-aid kit pouches (two small, one large SRVV) were purchased, with a total cost of 8,025 rubles
12. Three active headphones were purchased, a replica Tactical 6S rifle, with a total cost of 11,106 rubles
13. One unit of Howard Leight Impact Sport Tactical active headphones was purchased / Original / With active noise reduction, the cost is 15,900 rubles
14. One set of military clothing was purchased, worth 5,000 rubles
15. One balaclava was purchased, worth 650 rubles
16. Three pairs of tactical knee pads and elbow pads were purchased , with a total cost of 4,790 rubles
17. One flash drive was purchased for the SanDisk Extreme microSDXC Class 10 UHS Class 3 V 30 A 2 160MB/s 64GB + SD adapter, worth 1,790 rubles
18. Four panama hats of summer 5.11 Boonie Hat, Ranger Green color, with a total cost of 16,600 rubles were purchased
19. Six Helikon Level 1 balaclavas were purchased, with a total cost of 6,900 rubles
20. Three pairs of specialized shoes were purchased, with a total cost of 25,500 rubles
21. One SanDisk Extreme microSDXC Class 10 UHS Class 3 V 30 A 2 160MB/s 64GB + SD adapter flash drive was purchased, with a cost of 1,790 rubles
22. Twenty units of Duracell (AAA) batteries for tactical headphones were purchased, worth 1,900 rubles
23. Was purchased DJI Air 2S quadcopter in "Combo" configuration
24. Individual dressing packages of PPI(E)-10 Apollo in the amount of 14 pieces were purchased
25. The multibandana "Alloy Spectrum Digital" was purchased
26. Tactical scissors "Takchears Tracks" were purchased
27. Two sets of military clothing (jacket and trousers) were purchased

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Is this a package for Russians or separatists?
Indeed, the DPR and LPR fighters are largely dependent on donations, and they are given everything from socks and cigarettes to walkie-talkies and quadrocopters.

 

[UVB-76]

Except that by a 19th century treaty the US is obligated to do just that, conduct government business in Spanish if asked.

We were talking about genocide. I guess the US is obligated by treaty. Breaking a treaty isn't a genocide.
Okay I admit I wasn't even aware there was a treaty but what kind of fucking gotcha was that?

I believe indiscriminate shelling of the Donbass without regard for civilians, when still part of Ukraine, for eight years, isn't considered Ukraine merely promoting its language and culture, which are so close that each can understand the other, unlike, say German/Dutch or German/English, despite being closely related as well.

If you're gonna call 18 deaths in the year 2021 a genocide, you can fuck right off.
Still love you though

 

[White_N]

Saying that there was a genocide in Ukraine is false without a doubt. But it would be appropriate to call what is happening an enthocide.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I'm obviously not defending harassment and vandalism, the people who did that would be acting up with language laws or not.

How many EU countries allow official government business to be conducted in minority languages and dialects? I don't think their judges/juries or random desk bureaucrats are required to understand that many languages and keep duplicates of documents and forms to accommodate those speakers. Usually translators are provided.

As I have posted earlier on this thread, the Buk launcher fired from a separatist region (confirmed by photo of a smoke trail during moment of the launch and by the scorch mark left on the field) was confirmed to have been the 332-marked vehicle from the 53rd anti air missile brigade stationed in Kursk. Thanks to the Russian soldiers who posted pictures of their vehicles on Vkontakte.
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Also, Igor Girkin posted that the separatists had shot down an Ukrainian military transport, and as soon as news came out that it was an airliner, he deleted the posts.
"So they say" my ass. We got the smoking gun. Smoking missile launcher, in this case.
Don't question my autism.

Holhols may be liars, but there's a shit ton of direct evidence and circumstantial evidence that Russian separatists could have done it like you mentioned, and only some circumstantial evidence Ukraine could have done it.

Really it won't surprise me if someone on this thread goes full Vatnik and acts like SARMAT is a giga wonder weapon 9000 that completely invalidates MAD and that Russia not nuking the US and Europe is a mercy and not wanting to also be blown back to the stone age.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

We were talking about genocide. I guess the US is obligated by treaty. Breaking a treaty isn't a genocide.
Okay I admit I wasn't even aware there was a treaty but what kind of fucking gotcha was that?

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If you're gonna call 18 deaths in the year 2021 a genocide, you can fuck right off.
Still love you though

People take their culture and language pretty seriously dude, more so when you start shelling them over it. One could even postulate the present series of events that commenced in late February in Ukraine are a continuation of the events that occurred in 2014.

As far as the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo is concerned, which ended the Mexican-American War, the use of Spanish by the US government is still contentious after 174 years, and its less a gotcha than a reminder such issues can fester days, weeks, months, years and centuries later.