General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Sevatonius]

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She said that she bought it from Korean store

oh, so Bae lives somewhere in one the regions that has 90 percent of the countries population? Good to know.

 

[Ruka]

Seems another anti-kindred post is making the rounds on twitter again, this time from an Ike fan (with fans of nijiEN-connected livers mostly agreeing in the comments too)

Thread because I'm not screenshotting all of this.
Shoto's statement mentioned in the tweet (full version here, warning: LONG)

TL;DR (both from the posts + comments):
People are just now catching on that Vox's chat are a bunch of degens that can't even control themselves in other people's chats and let their liver collab with anyone they want. Vox has apparently had to avoid doing certain type of collabs with other livers because of disapproval from kindreds and kindreds were shown to be very ignorant of other people's chat rules, suspected to be caused by Vox's chat being more lenient towards degeneracy and his lack of properly addressing the issue without beating around the bush. So, people are trying to push for Vox to actually address the issue with his audience properly instead of folding midway like last time.

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Personally, I doubt Vox is gonna address this anytime soon, or at least be able to properly address this in a way that's both (A) satisfying to people and (B) vague enough that it doesn't cost him his hardcore fujos, though I doubt he can pull of the second one. He has to do one way or the other, he's gonna have an upset party either way.

Also semi-unrelated observation, but I think it's funny how a lot of the thread replies are in broken english. Is there a way to check how many of Nijisanji EN's viewers are from asia?

 

[Tatsunoko]

Seems another anti-kindred post is making the rounds on twitter again, this time from an Ike fan (with fans of nijiEN-connected livers mostly agreeing in the comments too)

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Thread because I'm not screenshotting all of this.
Shoto's statement mentioned in the tweet (full version here, warning: LONG)

TL;DR (both from the posts + comments):
People are just now catching on that Vox's chat are a bunch of degens that can't even control themselves in other people's chats and let their liver collab with anyone they want. Vox has apparently had to avoid doing certain type of collabs with other livers because of disapproval from kindreds and kindreds were shown to be very ignorant of other people's chat rules, suspected to be caused by Vox's chat being more lenient towards degeneracy and his lack of properly addressing the issue without beating around the bush. So, people are trying to push for Vox to actually address the issue with his audience properly instead of folding midway like last time.

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Personally, I doubt Vox is gonna address this anytime soon, or at least be able to properly address this in a way that's both (A) satisfying to people and (B) vague enough that it doesn't cost him his hardcore fujos, though I doubt he can pull of the second one. He has to do one way or the other, he's gonna have an upset party either way.

Also semi-unrelated observation, but I think it's funny how a lot of the thread replies are in broken english. Is there a way to check how many of Nijisanji EN's viewers are from asia?

This whole situation seems very similar to Gura and her chumbuds. Gura wasn't exactly at fault here, since she kind of broke the vtuber sphere and spread out to more normie circles who have no idea about common etiquette. But I admittedly have no clue about what Vox did to have such a rampant moronic fanbase. Is it possible that it's just the fujo equivalent?

 

[Avokado]

source: https://twitter.com/QUASARCAKE/status/1526782406988304384

 

[Scuttle]

This whole situation seems very similar to Gura and her chumbuds. Gura wasn't exactly at fault here, since she kind of broke the vtuber sphere and spread out to more normie circles who have no idea about common etiquette. But I admittedly have no clue about what Vox did to have such a rampant moronic fanbase. Is it possible that it's just the fujo equivalent?

I was thinking this, but lord knows if I mentioned Gura myself it'd be considered deflective tribalism.

It's very reminiscent of the early Cumbuds who were on Fubuki's MC stream telling her Gura beat her to 1m or when Iofi/Roboco/Suisei got attacked after Among Us.

I get a sentiment, particularly with Luxiem, that the fans have a much higher sense of virtue regarding 'protecting the NijiEN community'. They recognise that there's a super problematic sect of fans that is damaging the culture and are more keen to try and make a stink in an attempt to stomp it out.

I don't like that it exists, but I also don't oppose trying to force Vox's hand into telling them to fuck off. Even Mysta, who this thread spent 4 pages yesterday trying to engineer some kind of drama about, spent a chunk of his stream yesterday tard-wrangling the fans annoyed he hasn't solo-streamed much since the off-collab.

 

[Diya]

Seems another anti-kindred post is making the rounds on twitter again, this time from an Ike fan (with fans of nijiEN-connected livers mostly agreeing in the comments too)

View attachment 3294958
Thread because I'm not screenshotting all of this.
Shoto's statement mentioned in the tweet (full version here, warning: LONG)

TL;DR (both from the posts + comments):
People are just now catching on that Vox's chat are a bunch of degens that can't even control themselves in other people's chats and let their liver collab with anyone they want. Vox has apparently had to avoid doing certain type of collabs with other livers because of disapproval from kindreds and kindreds were shown to be very ignorant of other people's chat rules, suspected to be caused by Vox's chat being more lenient towards degeneracy and his lack of properly addressing the issue without beating around the bush. So, people are trying to push for Vox to actually address the issue with his audience properly instead of folding midway like last time.

---

Personally, I doubt Vox is gonna address this anytime soon, or at least be able to properly address this in a way that's both (A) satisfying to people and (B) vague enough that it doesn't cost him his hardcore fujos, though I doubt he can pull of the second one. He has to do one way or the other, he's gonna have an upset party either way.

Also semi-unrelated observation, but I think it's funny how a lot of the thread replies are in broken english. Is there a way to check how many of Nijisanji EN's viewers are from asia?

Since I can only think of a single person in this thread who watch Vox regularly, I would like to raise him so he could give us an expert perspective on the subject.
@Nolan Crush Anyword on this, bud? Are you agree that your fanbase is too much of a degenerate that it's affecting other talents?

 

[Tatsunoko]

Watame and AZKi releasing another song/cover together.

 

[Alchemyth]

This whole situation seems very similar to Gura and her chumbuds. Gura wasn't exactly at fault here, since she kind of broke the vtuber sphere and spread out to more normie circles who have no idea about common etiquette. But I admittedly have no clue about what Vox did to have such a rampant moronic fanbase. Is it possible that it's just the fujo equivalent?

Women are crazy. Fujo's are crazier. Chinese Fujo's? Hoo boy.

Even Mysta, who this thread spent 4 pages yesterday trying to engineer some kind of drama about

I see. Are these ... 'engineers', in the room with us right now? Do they ... say things? Things that perhaps make you uncomfortable?

 

[masterstocking]

This whole situation seems very similar to Gura and her chumbuds. Gura wasn't exactly at fault here, since she kind of broke the vtuber sphere and spread out to more normie circles who have no idea about common etiquette. But I admittedly have no clue about what Vox did to have such a rampant moronic fanbase. Is it possible that it's just the fujo equivalent?

Mmm, retarded fujo drama. Let's just watch the smoke and flames from here, shall we?

 

[RiverBear]

I was thinking this, but lord knows if I mentioned Gura myself it'd be considered deflective tribalism.

It's very reminiscent of the early Cumbuds who were on Fubuki's MC stream telling her Gura beat her to 1m or when Iofi/Roboco/Suisei got attacked after Among Us.

I get a sentiment, particularly with Luxiem, that the fans have a much higher sense of virtue regarding 'protecting the NijiEN community'. They recognise that there's a super problematic sect of fans that is damaging the culture and are more keen to try and make a stink in an attempt to stomp it out.

I don't like that it exists, but I also don't oppose trying to force Vox's hand into telling them to fuck off. Even Mysta, who this thread spent 4 pages yesterday trying to engineer some kind of drama about, spent a chunk of his stream yesterday tard-wrangling the fans annoyed he hasn't solo-streamed much since the off-collab.

Shut the fuck up tribalfag.
Stop inserting Hololive into a clearly Nijisanni issue

 

[White Stone]

This whole situation seems very similar to Gura and her chumbuds. Gura wasn't exactly at fault here, since she kind of broke the vtuber sphere and spread out to more normie circles who have no idea about common etiquette. But I admittedly have no clue about what Vox did to have such a rampant moronic fanbase. Is it possible that it's just the fujo equivalent?

Looking at the past, Gura never really addressed most her fans' shenanigans. Yet her fanbase behavior have improved a lot, or at least whatever issues you have with them are only contained in her own chat and does not impact other's.

 

[lakyus]

Shut the fuck up tribalfag.
Stop inserting Hololive into a clearly Nijisanni issue

Why? He's right: cumbuds were (and still are to a degree) insufferable but at least they tard-wrangled each other into not letting their shit spill outside. Now the situation is repeating with Vox and his own bunch of autists - it'll be interesting to see if they follow in the footsteps of their predecessors.

 

[Nolan Crush]

Reine and Kiara streaming from the Honeymoon suite.

Missed vast majority, it was 5 am when it ended and I woke up in time to see 15 min. So glad I woke up, it was wonderful. CONGRATS to Kiara for getting to off-collab with someone. The gift exchange was very cute. So sweet of Kiara to get her a dirndl, same for Reine getting Kiara a bracelet. And it seems we might get some spicy stuff later. The vacation continues, it's only the beginning. LET'S GOOOO.
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1526548800072216578 here is said bracelet and a drawing




And a collab happening rn.

 

[Che merda di posto]

What's the best way to do a poll in this thread? I'm curious about when everybody started following vtubers here. I'd guess even the vast majority of the regulars here started after myths debut or the Taiwan incident

 

[Scuttle]

What's the best way to do a poll in this thread? I'm curious about when everybody started following vtubers here. I'd guess even the vast majority of the regulars here started after myths debut or the Taiwan incident

I believe I joined this thread to provide info on Mano Aloe, which would have been prior to both of those events in like, what, August 2020?

 

[Rhialtokourai]

Orca birthday

Roboco gave her a transparent MS Paint bathtub and HoloX gave her the same speedrun they did for Koyori.

Spoiler: Orca clips

She's made great strides in the field of PONology
How do you die in the first room of Portal?

Impromptu acapella

What's the best way to do a poll in this thread? I'm curious about when everybody started following vtubers here. I'd guess even the vast majority of the regulars here started after myths debut or the Taiwan incident

Based on what people here talk about, I don't actually think most regulars started after those events. Granted, I started after Council's debut and I didn't watch their debut streams.

A post with a Strawpoll or similar would get buried but a good number of regulars would still see it.

 

[masterstocking]

Reine is a woman of culture and taste.

 

[ペンネーム]

What's the best way to do a poll in this thread? I'm curious about when everybody started following vtubers here. I'd guess even the vast majority of the regulars here started after myths debut or the Taiwan incident

I started lurking around Myth's debut but joined much later.

 

[masterstocking]

I feel like a HoloEN Hologra might go something like this.

Sauce

 

[Ruka]

Personally, I doubt Vox is gonna address this anytime soon

Actually possibly spoke too soon. Update:
Apparently Vox did see the tweet and promptly updated his chat rules.

previous chat rules vs updated chat rules

It isn't much, but it's a start. He's also going live in about 2 hours from now so he might also talk about it on stream.
I'll update this post with a TL;DR if I manage to catch up on it (I might be busy later today so no promises)

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Edit:
He did address it on stream, here's the TL;DR:

Apparently he already had plans to bring it up during his bathtub stream but it "slipped his mind". Nothing remarkable, just very safe "follow the rules, you're representative of me too". Though he kept emphasizing "99.9% of you are amazing [etc.], but there's a couple that're bad eggs " over and over, and telling chat to just ignore the "trolls" and trust in the mods, also went on to mention "No change on my end [the way chat treats him], I don't think I'm doing anything particularly wrong".

Like his first statement on it, personally it still feels real tip-toey, but hopefully it works.
If you wanna watch it yourself, it's about 6-7 minutes in. (warning: weird chewing/eating/slurping sounds + random distractions)
I can't fucking stand chewing/eating/slurping noises and he was eating so I tried my best to endure it for this. I watch Vox sometimes, but why does this man sound like he chews with his mouth open.