Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

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I'm not going to write another wall of text on how thinking that the invasion is going slowly (or poorly) is retarded considering the scale of this war, recent developments on the field and the nature of Ukraine's terrain and size so I'll just ask people here to please for the love of god stop comparing troop movements and offensives in this war to troop movements and offensives in WW1 or WW2. It's like comparing kids building a sand castle to a construction crew building the WTC.

PS: I don't care which side did it.
 
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And neither of those two scenarios had someone arm and fund the enemy faction the way the west does Ukraine. How far would the americans have gotten in the west without help from Russia in the east and if Germany was funded and armed by dozens of other countries? I would not be surprised if NATO soldiers had boots on the ground in guise of foreign soldiers manning the artillery and other shit away from the front line
So what you're saying is that Russia is facing the same issue as Germany did when the US bankrolled the UK and USSR, except the Germans were way more successful despite fighting all of the allies
 
I'm not going to write another wall of text on how thinking that the invasion is going slowly is retarded considering the scale of this war and the nature of Ukraine's terrain and size so I'll just ask people here to please for the love of god stop comparing troop movements and offensives in this war to troop movements and offensives in WW1 or WW2. It's like comparing kids building a sand castle to a construction crew building the WTC.
The Russophiles were the first to compare it to Operation Barbarossa, cause comparing it to any modern war made it seem pathetic, of course this was before Russia began losing territory in week 4
 
Slava Novarussia.
Slava Confederate State of America.

The irony that both are fighting the US Gubmint.

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If you think that Russia enforcing reunification on the separatist nation of Ukraine, which has a strong national identity, left a Union state to assert state rights and remove corrupt foreign assets, and to establish a local, freer form of governance is in any way resembling the Confederacy or the Southern cause you have brain damage.
The war in Ukraine (and Georgia and Chechnya) is, if anything, a strong parallel for what would have happened if the Union allowed secession and regretted it later.

The Russophiles were the first to compare it to Operation Barbarossa, cause comparing it to any modern war made it seem pathetic, of course this was before Ukraine began losing territory in week 4
Whoa there, that's expecting Russian propaganda to be consistent over a span longer than 3 days, you can't do that.
 
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And neither of those two scenarios had someone arm and fund the enemy faction the way the west does Ukraine. How far would the americans have gotten in the west without help from Russia in the east and if Germany was funded and armed by dozens of other countries? I would not be surprised if NATO soldiers had boots on the ground in guise of foreign soldiers manning the artillery and other shit away from the front line
None of the support would have arrived in time if the Russians hadn't failed every single one of their attacks that were met by the Ukrainian army. They're only now starting to make advances in Donbass, that they pay for by bleeding away what is left of their offensive arms, and they seem to have stalled out in Kherson Oblast too.

I'm also reading reports of Donbabwean Volkssturm being engaged in combat. Those are people that gangs catch off the street and they are sent to battle with no training and whatever scraps of ancient equipment they can find. I don't understand why the Russians don't equip them, what happened to the warehouses filled with soviet surplus? Was it sold for scrap while the leaders were paid off to look away?

Also, people talk about Russians being able to replace vehicle losses, but can they really? Without western electronics and optics, and without western machine tools and spare parts? Russia hardly makes anything by design, because it's an extractive kleptocracy. A good part of the civilian "Made in Russia" machines are assembled from imported parts, and they seem incapable of producing their modern Wunderwaffen like Armata at all following the comparatively mild 2014 sanctions.
 
The Russian invasion has been slow, unfathomably slow, in fact they've got less territory now than in March.
And? What's your point? I'm sorry, are ruskies must be in rush crunch because you demand so? Is that what you imp~

Gotta go fast​

Ah, that explains some. Alright.

It took the Germans a month to take all of Poland
Because polacks were utterly unprepared for what was about to come at them. Would've they be ready to face the Hitler's blitsmensh the digesting of plumberland would've been much, much slower.
 
So what you're saying is that Russia is facing the same issue as Germany did when the US bankrolled the UK and USSR, except the Germans were way more successful despite fighting all of the allies
The only times where germans were succesful were where they profited from massive overwhelming power (poland, czechoslovakia, benelux, yugoslavia) or sheer incompetence of their counterparts in planning, preparation or execution of war plans (france, first half of afrika korps adventure, barbarossa). Wherever they had to fight an enemy that was prepared or not led by a bunch of senile retards they took heavy losses.
 
It is the blyatskrieg, fuelled by vodka.

On vodka, mistakes will be made, but I doubt the Ukraine will win. The queation is, do the ruskies need to go to full mobilisation or not?
Mobilize what? Regardless, Putin will resist mobilization as long as he is capable because organizing the "special operation" into a proper war will cede a lot of his control over how it is conducted.

Also, people talk about Russians being able to replace vehicle losses, but can they really? Without western electronics and optics, and without western machine tools and spare parts? Russia hardly makes anything by design, because it's an extractive kleptocracy. A good part of the civilian "Made in Russia" machines are assembled from imported parts, and they seem incapable of producing their modern Wunderwaffen like Armata at all following the comparatively mild 2014 sanctions.
Don't worry, they're sourcing chips from washing machines and getting 8-10 sights from a serb's GoFundMe, which are things a well-organized and modern military do to succeed. The West will fall!
 
And neither of those two scenarios had someone arm and fund the enemy faction the way the west does Ukraine. How far would the americans have gotten in the west without help from Russia in the east and if Germany was funded and armed by dozens of other countries? I would not be surprised if NATO soldiers had boots on the ground in guise of foreign soldiers manning the artillery and other shit away from the front line
germany at that time was the equivalent of dozens of other countries all on its own, the bulk of europe was either occupied by them or allied with them, from the english channel to the black sea.
on the other side, france at the time owned a gigantic empire spanning the entire globe, with huge parts of africa and indochina under their control, while the brits owned india, australia, canada, most of the rest of africa that wasn't french, and a collection of other posessions around the world. all of the european powers involved in the war were at the cutting edge of industrialisation and technology as well, neither side of that war was a left-behind backwards state like modern ukraine

The war in Ukraine (and Georgia and Chechnya) is, if anything, a strong parallel for what would have happened if the Union allowed secession and regretted it later.
a more accurate parallel would be if britain had tried in like 1970 to invade india in order to restore the british raj lel
or if spain tomorrow decided to declare war on mexico in order to reestablish nueva espana
 
If you think that Russia enforcing reunification on the separatist nation of Ukraine, which has a strong national identity, left a Union state to assert state rights and remove corrupt foreign assets, and to establish a local, freer form of governance is in any way resembling the Confederacy or the Southern cause you have brain damage.
The war in Ukraine (and Georgia and Chechnya) is, if anything, a strong parallel for what would have happened if the Union allowed secession and regretted it later.


Whoa there, that's expecting Russian propaganda to be consistent over a span longer than 3 days, you can't do that.

Wow lad, that was a shitpost.

In other news, /pol/ is now adding Z flags and NATO flags.

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And the beaches look nice now.

 
Does anyone else here read thesalker.is

edit: direct links don't seem to work right?

The Putin propaganda is so silly it approaches parody.

Thus the judo tropes...
Paul Damascene on May 18, 2022 · at 9:00 pm EST/EDT

I actually prefer that the most credible sources I look to do not agree in all things: Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern, Douglas MacGregor, Scott Ritter, Nightvision, Jacques Baud, Bernard, Jacob Dreizen, Brian Berletic, Andrei Raevsky, & Andrei Martyanov each stand to see or emphasize something that the others may not.

The Duran in their persuasive way were expressing concerns at least consistent with Scott’s. That Russia under Putin has been cautious to a fault. One relevant, credible case where this may be justified is in not securing Russian-speaking Ukraine after the coup. This would not have given the UkroNATO 8 years to dig in, infest the cities, etc. In hindsight, given that the West goes full retard anyway, it might have been preferable to act then, even if Russia were not ready to extend the battle beyond Donbass.

But Russia under Putin is also known for waiting, choosing the moment, and then doing something unexpected, often with considerable economy of means or resources. Syria. Thus the judo tropes.

Gonzalo Lira said something interesting the other day: the Russians are keeping it boring, when the US in particular craves drama.

It occurs to me that rather than speeding things up, Russia may actually be slowing things down.

Russia now clearly acknowledges that NATO is engaged in a total war against Russia. Very unlikely that RF strategic planners are not now taking this into account.

Though of course there are many things the neocon crazies and their EU handmaidens could try, I notice that the Poland / Romania / Moldova / Transnistria chatter has cooled after Putin said they would experience sensations in their nether parts they had never before felt.

But why slow things down?
Not sure to what degree Russian strategists imagined that they’d have 83% public approval, the ruble as an instrument of EU torture, falling inflation, falling interest rates, and the most superb asset of enemies whose incompetence and emotional stability are revealing themselves every day.

Do not interrupt your enemy when they are making mistakes. And while EU / NATO / West is being revealed to the world for what it is–and remember, this is not just a question of Russian and Western audiences–the multipolar world is watching and learning.

Gulf States, Algeria, India, Iran, Latin America, Africa, ASEAN, and of course China supportive, and even Turkey has been less of a headache than expected.

Russian history or war has long involved General Winter, but right now we are preparing for the arrival of General Summer. In the West: inflation but also scarcity–something most have never experienced. Baby formula, food, fertilizer, diesel…A a considerable proportion of the China supply chain.

The West is being gutted–largely in the self-inflicted sense. Ukrainian refugees & the Zelensky spoiled teen routine are already wearing thin. At least half of the Western population was alienated before this started, and 40 billion USD tranches, & Hunter Biden trials, & WHO / WEF chicanery are adding fuel to the fire.

If as Smoothie says, there are vast decision trees of contingencies–on one small branch almost out of sight until now, was the possibility that Russia would find itself in a moment where it could break the West down–financially, economically, politically, diplomatically.

To settle the Ukraine question and go back to a Cold War risks giving the West a chance to analyze Russia with respect rather than blind contempt, and perhaps the next round of leaders will not be quite so incompetent.

Perhaps, to the extent that circumstances prove propitious, they may be prepared to crank the pain dial for years. Perhaps for ‘threatening’ or ‘belligerent’ countries — only physical gold for Russian products, and perhaps bans and third-party agreements not to sell strategic materials to these countries at all: titanium, uranium, nickel, aluminum, copper, neon & noble gases, food, fertilizer….
Still, I'm a bit curious what others think.

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So what you're saying is that Russia is facing the same issue as Germany did when the US bankrolled the UK and USSR, except the Germans were way more successful despite fighting all of the allies

Its more like the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan but instead of mujahideen being armed by the west you have the Ukrainians. If you compare the casualty numbers of that 10 year war vs the numbers Ukraine claims to have killed Russians in only three months you realize how much BS propaganda is going around.

I don't think the Ukrainian forces are going to last as long as the mujahideen, they already lack support from their government and seem helpless without having Azovstal bunkers to retreat to. Its only a matter of time until they either surrender or yeet NATO's favorite Nazi Jew Zelensky and replace him with someone willing to cut a deal with Russia.
 
. They're only now starting to make advances in Donbass,
They've been advancing in the Donbas fairly quickly for the last month and a half. Rubizhne was 99% captured like 15 days ago, for example.
that they pay for by bleeding away what is left of their offensive arms, and they seem to have stalled out in Kherson Oblast too.
There is no Kherson offensive. Both sides are currently preparing and accumulating arms and men. The Russians believe a Ukrainian counteroffensive will happen eventually. Only artillery works actively there.
I'm also reading reports of Donbabwean Volkssturm being engaged in combat.
The only proof we've had of separatist conscripts in combat is the Ukrainian counter-attack near Kharkiv, and they were LPR, not DPR. We've had countless examples of TDF personnel actually going on offensives (including this Kharkiv one) and being used to plug gaps in the Donbas. I reserve judgement on this because they may be TDF formed from Army reserves in any case.
Those are people that gangs catch off the street and they are sent to battle with no training and whatever scraps of ancient equipment they can find.
They aren't sent to battle. They're sent to guard outposts, back lines and HQs. Conscripts have no value in offensive modern wars other than the power to free up actual troops. Everybody knows this.
I don't understand why the Russians don't equip them
Corruption, incompetence and not wanting to is my guess.
, what happened to the warehouses filled with soviet surplus?
50% sold after the collapse of the USSR, 40% sold in the years after is my guess. This is a Eastern Euro country. And Soviet surplus wouldn't include much of the important stuff in modern wars anyway, like boots, socks, night vision, thermals, sights, whatever. Most of it was AKs and variants (likely already put into service in 2014) and the rest was truly ancient stuff like Mosins (given to snipers and a limited amount of conscripts). There were also plenty of MGs and anti-tank rifles that were distributed.
Also, people talk about Russians being able to replace vehicle losses, but can they really?
Yes. We literally just saw a batch of modern T90Ms leave the factory. There are thousands of modernized tanks in storage. Thousands more awaiting modernization.
Without western electronics and optics
Maybe years ago. Much of that is made in Russia now, including all Kontakt ERA and the Shtora system, as well as the Irbis K night vision sight and AGAT MDT sights. Russia has been under heavy sanctions since 2014, they've already made their own Catherine copies a while ago.
, and without western machine tools and spare parts?
China makes that.
Russia hardly makes anything by design
lol
,like Armata at all following the comparatively mild 2014 sanctions.
The Armata suffers from the classic case of "what we have is good enough, why should we waste money on this". The Russians are still modernizing T-72s and T-80s to this day, the will, competence and wish to REALLY modernize Russia's tank fleet and mass produce the Armata platform just isn't there. Maybe after this war.
 
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Its more like the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan but instead of mujahideen being armed by the west you have the Ukrainians. If you compare the casualty numbers of that 10 year war vs the numbers Ukraine claims to have killed Russians in only three months you realize how much BS propaganda is going around.

I don't think the Ukrainian forces are going to last as long as the mujahideen, they already lack support from their government and seem helpless without having Azovstal bunkers to retreat to. Its only a matter of time until they either surrender or yeet NATO's favorite Nazi Jew Zelensky and replace him with someone willing to cut a deal with Russia.
Two more weeks!
As of now it's more likely the SBU and Azov will execute any politician, even Zelensky, especially Zelensky, who even toys with the thought of seeking a ceasefire
 
Yes. We literally just saw a batch of modern T90Ms leave the factory.
A "batch" that has been under development for years and came out missing most of their reactive armor and modern attachments for the propaganda shot. Brilliant showing, maybe after another decade or so they'll have replaced the chunk of T-90A's that have already been destroyed or captured.
 
Two more weeks!
As of now it's more likely the SBU and Azov will execute any politician, even Zelensky, especially Zelensky, who even toys with the thought of seeking a ceasefire
Dude, Azov and the other loons in the army are getting hosed. They can't do shit to Zelensky, the western media is making him Churchill of the Ukies, in Poland. No matter how you feel about Russia, this obsession with sacrificing them down to the last Ukrainian is bad for Ukraine, tragic really, when a negotiated settlement would be better for them, and for us.
I wonder if somehow the stampede to join NATO ends up inadvertently setting off WW III. That would be funny.
Look at the current state of the US (and without the US NATO is a joke) and tell me that isn't on the table.
 
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Its more like the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan but instead of mujahideen being armed by the west you have the Ukrainians. If you compare the casualty numbers of that 10 year war vs the numbers Ukraine claims to have killed Russians in only three months you realize how much BS propaganda is going around.

I don't think the Ukrainian forces are going to last as long as the mujahideen, they already lack support from their government and seem helpless without having Azovstal bunkers to retreat to. Its only a matter of time until they either surrender or yeet NATO's favorite Nazi Jew Zelensky and replace him with someone willing to cut a deal with Russia.
not comparable
the soviet war against afghanistan was similar to the later american attempt: the initial invasion was a breeze, they effortlessly took the capital and started propping up a puppet regime to do whatever moscow/washington wants. the casualties and losses came from the later insurgency.
with ukraine, we aren't even at that stage yet, cause the invasion force hasn't managed to actually defeat the official army yet.
 
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