What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[Meriasek]

2. I don't necessarily believe it but found it quite interesting and didn't see any mention about it yet. Abaddoned staircases just stairs starting nowhere, going nowhere, looking old and new, just like the one you d have at amy home) in Americans National Forest. Often appear when rangers are looking for missing peoples. They dont talk about them and under any circumstances they dont touch or engage with them in any way or the search will be lost. Obviously not in the US and not a ranger, but maybe some kiwi can confirm this?

Oooh I like that one. Looked it up and it seems like some nice urban myth/creepypasta thing.

 

[The Ugly One]

There was also the NAFTA superhighway.

This wasn't a "conspiracy theory." It was something the DC elites openly talked about that they couldn't bring to fruition. But that's where there is a gap. Conspiracy theorists have this conception of planning as erecting a kind of Rube Goldberg social machine where various pieces fall into place, one by one, leading ineluctably to a prescribed outcome. This is because conspiracy theorists have no idea how plans actually work; the kinds of detailed plans they imagine are controlling all of human history always fail. Micro-level detailed plans for battle, economic management, business, etc, always fail.

The elite class absolutely wanted to united Mexico, Canada, and the USA into a giant free-trade zone, similar to the EU. This was just a natural part of mainstream economic theory and Fukuyama "end of history" thinking. But real-world events blew that up, particularly 9/11 and the escalation of the drug war in Mexico. Which is ironic, the same people that were supposed to have a detailed plan to end the USA as a sovereign country apparently also planned the events that blew up the previous plan.

 

[Aunt Marge]

There is a cabal of highly-opportunistic elites that have access to a far greater array of information and resources than we think. I doubt they planned covid, but saw it as an opportunity to try all kinds of compliance tests with lockdowns, mandates, etc. Basically to see what they can and can't get away with, how much of the population are NPCs, how many don't fall for their schtick but keep quiet, and how many outright rebel.

At the end of the day they are still prone to human error and aren't as omnipotent as the Qtards would have you believe, but if the last few years are anything to go by, they are a force to be reckoned with and will not be going down any time soon.

Trump was a threat to them. Aside from his cavalier approach to everything and his retardation, he wasn't someone they could control with money as he was already a billionaire. He disrupted the world economic order by A: shining a light on China's behavior and actually responding with policies, and B: ridiculing wokeness which, as we all know, turns attention to race/sex/gender/whatever and away from class. The 4 year smear campaign and a few shenanigans at some vital precincts got him out eventually.

Unfortunately for them, they seemed to have overplayed their hand and demonstrated the limits of their power. A statement like "Epstein didn't kill himself" spreads like a meme while only the most pozzed Ukraine flag, pronouns-in-bio, octuple-vaxxed, mask-fucking NPC would ever fall for.

 

[Boyce Billiards]

The CIA has a domestic operation called the National Resources Division. This is a fact. The really remarkable thing is how vanishingly little writing there is about it. Without exaggeration, there seem to be around a dozen references to it at all in writing. One of those is from the confirmation process of Trump's CIA director Gina Haspel, who was in charge of the NRD in the mid 2000's.

The most extensive reference is in "The Art of Intelligence: Lessons from a Life in the CIA's Clandestine Service," 2012, by Hank Crumpton, also a former head of NRD as well as their counterterrorism division and Bush's 'ambassador' for counter terrorism coordination. I specify his credentials to emphasize that this isn't some failed, low-level office assistant who used his Secret clearance to sell fiction.

In his chapter on the NRD, he describes meeting with "uber rich CEO's," University Presidents, scientists, and others fishing for leads on potential security threats/ assistance.

Up until this point, I've only stated fact, but you probably know vaguely where I'm going after the previous sentence. Crumpton's list of conversations at the NRD certainly sound a lot like the people Jeff Epstein gathered around himself, who famously skated on serious charges after the prosecutor was told he was 'with intelligence'. With this, why have you never of the NRD in connection to Epstein when it seems like such an obvious place of suspicion? Why is this particular office so effectively hidden, above and beyond other clandestine activities of the CIA? Why hasn't some rich asshole bragged about some CIA guy wanting to chat with him to inflate his ego? (Not every conversation is some Cabalistic operation, if any, they would have legitimate intelligence conversations too, why hasn't there been leaks?)

My claim is not necessarily that Epstein was in their employ as an officer or that his 'thing' was a planned operation. Instead, I'm sticking to what I'm sure of, the NRD absolutely knew about the Epstein operation. Their goal is to recruit well connected people in the US for potential assistance. Officially, this assistance is voluntary. It's impossible that they didn't know about the man they all partied with.

I don't know where from here, but if you're inclined to dig deeper into Epstein, I'm confident that this is a possible weak spot to crack things open.

 

[Tinfoil]

This was interestingly found on /x/

 

[Fek]

I miss replying in this thread. After all, it is one's duty to not comply with unjust actions, is it not?

This is a more subtle one, but I've had a funny feeling about anti-antivax content for a while now. A couple years prior to covid, there was a huge spike in memes dunking on anti-vaxxers, particularly with the reddit crowd. It really came out of nowhere without a significant increase in anti vax content or prominence leading up to it and it felt weirdly forced.

This happens with anything that hits a little too close to home. Can't have you figuring out the lies/horrors going on behind the curtain.

As another (controversial, yet telling) example fit for a conspiracy thread: There was also a notable uptick in anti-"flat earth" propaganda right around the time the idea started gaining traction on Youtube (something like 5? 7? years ago). In fact, the amount of pushback it received was just downright silly even as an outside observer:

• Black science man trotted out multiple times to make sure everyone knew just how silly and dumb and foolish the idea happened to be while simultaneously letting you know the Earth is actually pear-shaped..
  • Other celebrities sometimes got involved, as well.
• Those little fact checking widgets would pop up under Youtube videos on the subject to denounce their content.
• Multiple bad actors were brought in to poison the well. This made it very difficult to cut through their garbage and find the legit community underneath.
• These bad actors were given fucking TV air time (and boosting on Youtube) on multiple occasions just to ensure that they made the "flat earth community" look as insane and retarded as possible..interviews, broadcasts of their "flat earth community" events which were effectively circus freak shows, etc.
• The legit members of the community were ignored, deplatformed, and silenced at every turn. In fact, one of them was going to debate the aforementioned black science man on Joe Rogan once upon a time. Turns out black science man's handlers thought that was a bad idea and pulled out completely. Does that sound like someone confident in their position to you?
• And more.

Now, I'm not trying to change any minds on the subject matter itself. The point is that..if an idea is, indeed, so silly and dumb and foolish - Why the massive efforts at pushing it back out of the public eye? Why the censorship? The ridicule? Wouldn't an idea not holding any merit or proverbial weight simply die out all on its own?

This happens across many, many topics far more often than most realize. In fact, most unthinkingly go right along with it because they just love being part of a mob.

I noticed the same thing and could easily believe something like this happened. I think "they" (with a couple different values for "they") try out this kind of thing all the time, tweaking their algorithms and formulas, seeing what they can get away with, for how long, with whom.

I think "they" are also doing something similar with the current formula shortages. These shortages probably won't resort in any babies dying of starvation (though it's not impossible especially given that the largest crisis is impacting formulas specially made for infants who need a special diet due to a medical condition.) "How far can we push this before there is significant pushback? How can we shut down the work-arounds people will come up with to overcome this hardship? How can we close off all the exits and force the outcome we desire?" What they learn from this they will apply to a larger scale engineered mass famine.

You are absolutely right. This same idea plays out across a number of topics from the Wu Flu to "climate change" to the deliberate/manufactured supply chain crisis and more.

Take the Wu Flu: It was simply the first time their fear tactics over a virus had close to desired effect. They've tried various iterations of disease over the last couple decades prior to this; it's just that none of those times were as successful. The parasite class ran many experiments seeing what worked and what did not: the swine and (first) bird flu being two examples. They held conferences to discuss where a particular disease caught the sorts of attention they were hoping it would. They elevated the people in charge of these areas/nations into higher positions within their system, even. I forget his name, but I believe it was a Belgian? fellow who managed to get his country into such a panic over one of the previous diseases that he was giving lectures to the elite's favorite puppets on how to be a fearmongering douchebag. Yeah.​

And now, we're entering into yet more of the nonsense with Bird Flu 2: Electric Boogaloo, and the dreaded "Monkeypox" targeting a group (for now) that's easy to kick around: Gays. Before you roll your eyes and blame the group a virus is allegedly targeting right now, think about how you add legitimacy to the idea of another potential "pandemic" in doing so. Catch yourself before you buy another ticket to Mr. Bone's Wild Ride without realizing you're doing it.

Oh, and don't forget they're still refining their methods in the hopes of a more effective outcome next time.

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Ultimately, though? And this applies to pretty much everything in this thread: The parasites cannot do anything that they are not allowed to get away with. Whether one realizes it or not, permission is given to the elite for what they do to the populace. They hold exactly zero power over anyone without the consent of the people involved. It might be achieved through very devious and shitty methods, of course, but they always make sure you know what they're up to before they act. You give consent, however indirectly, to their actions. Educate thyself, and do not comply.

The only winning move is to not play.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

With the flat earth thing, I noticed the same thing- it's extremely marginal at best and was being propped up as this huge threat to Science and Truth. Why were they doing it, well, that's the part we can debate but it was obviously astroturfed. I don't think it's because the earth is actually flat and they don't want us to find out, it's far more complicated than that. Trying to get people with other sets of view sucked into it so they could look dumb by being labeled "flat earthers" was the largest piece.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

With the flat earth thing, I noticed the same thing- it's extremely marginal at best and was being propped up as this huge threat to Science and Truth. Why were they doing it, well, that's the part we can debate but it was obviously astroturfed. I don't think it's because the earth is actually flat and they don't want us to find out, it's far more complicated than that. Trying to get people with other sets of view sucked into it so they could look dumb by being labeled "flat earthers" was the largest piece.

and also @Fek but can't comment

I don't necessarily think your theory isn't possible, but I'm being particular about this just because my hunch with anti-vax stuff is pretty specific and the differences between the two are a big part of why I believe what I do. I can think of some mitigating factors and possible explanations for the flat-earth case but I really can't for the anti-anti-vax stuff.

Not trying to go full deboonker here, but I don't personally consider anti-Flat Earth stuff as part of my theory mostly because it just makes for better content. Flat-Earthers are just plain nuttier characters than anti-vaxxers, first off. The implications of a vaccine conspiracy are really mundane while the flat earth leads you to some fantasy land where the hollow earth is full of dragons and hobbits or something like that. Second, the experiments showing the earth is round are independently neat to see as a cool science experiment; there's no equivalent pro-vaccine experiment other than saying "clinical trial data showed more benefit than harm."

I may be wrong, but I also seem to remember the anti-flat earth stuff starting, or at least including, a few popular, well produced youtube videos. There was no similar center of gravity for anti-antivax stuff. NDT was also mentioned. He's a central figure who makes himself seem more important if he's fighting against a rising tide of science-illiterate idiocy. During the pre-covid anti-vax reaction there weren't similar figured in that space.

Again, my theory isn't actually a "plot to push vaccines on people" for some nefarious purpose. Instead, I think that whoever was driving this content went into it with the belief that encouraging vaccinations is an unambiguous good for society. Their actual goal was to study the spread of ideas and just needed to pick a topic. They want it to be something politically/emotionally charged so it would act similarly to 'disinformation' or propaganda campaigns but a review board would never let them run a project where they tried to see how far they could get "I hate brown people" memes to spread. They would argue to themselves that they're spreading a socially beneficial message while they see how it propagates. The great irony of it all is that I think the true end result was that it decreased the entry-barrier into anti-vax thinking by making it seem more popular than it was.

 

[teriyakiburns]

With the flat earth thing, I noticed the same thing- it's extremely marginal at best and was being propped up as this huge threat to Science and Truth. Why were they doing it, well, that's the part we can debate but it was obviously astroturfed. I don't think it's because the earth is actually flat and they don't want us to find out, it's far more complicated than that. Trying to get people with other sets of view sucked into it so they could look dumb by being labeled "flat earthers" was the largest piece.

They were setting up a marginal community as the Other and propagandising it as an existential threat to some aspect of society that they wanted to prop up as unassailable. Criticising scientists now gets you labelled as "flat earther" or "denier", no matter that the scientific method - as elicudated by Karl Popper - rests entirely on the foundation of questioning and criticism of established thought and dogma.

As an aside, the way that they hijacked Popper's "paradox of tolerance", and twisted it into the opposite of what he said, makes me rather upset.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

Bob Saget raped and killed a girl in 1990, also he abused the Olsen Twins. His friends were either mocking us with their inside knowledge of his crimes when they made the jokes, or they were trying to put it out there for future generations to figure out. He also died a pervert's death just like Bob Crane.

 

[Sailor Kim Jong Moon]

Bob Saget raped and killed a girl in 1990, also he abused the Olsen Twins. His friends were either mocking us with their inside knowledge of his crimes when they made the jokes, or they were trying to put it out there for future generations to figure out. He also died a pervert's death just like Bob Crane.

Can you explain a little more on this? Like why you think this & what jokes you’re referring to. I’m out of the loop on this one

 

[Rosy Reptile]

With the flat earth thing, I noticed the same thing- it's extremely marginal at best and was being propped up as this huge threat to Science and Truth. Why were they doing it, well, that's the part we can debate but it was obviously astroturfed. I don't think it's because the earth is actually flat and they don't want us to find out, it's far more complicated than that. Trying to get people with other sets of view sucked into it so they could look dumb by being labeled "flat earthers" was the largest piece.

This one actually seems fairly simple. The flat earth people challenged expert cosmological consensus. Blowing them up and making an example out of them sent a message to the rest of society that you tow the cosmological line or face the social consequences.

We're currently entering a transitional phase in the official cosmological narrative. Specifically, we seem to be entering some kind of postmodern techno-gnostic chaos magic type paradigm. Whether or not that's what it ends up being, it's clear that 20th century reductive physicalism/materialism is going the way of Deism (which I also like to say about homosexuality for related reasons). Transitional phases are when conformity needs to be reinforced the most. You can't have people taking advantage of the death of the old paradigm by establishing their own philosophy (which you don't control) in its stead.

 

[L50LasPak]

@Fek

I miss replying in this thread. After all, it is one's duty to not comply with unjust actions, is it not?

As another (controversial, yet telling) example fit for a conspiracy thread: There was also a notable uptick in anti-"flat earth" propaganda right around the time the idea started gaining traction on Youtube (something like 5? 7? years ago). In fact, the amount of pushback it received was just downright silly even as an outside observer:

• Black science man trotted out multiple times to make sure everyone knew just how silly and dumb and foolish the idea happened to be while simultaneously letting you know the Earth is actually pear-shaped..
  • Other celebrities sometimes got involved, as well.
• Those little fact checking widgets would pop up under Youtube videos on the subject to denounce their content.
• Multiple bad actors were brought in to poison the well. This made it very difficult to cut through their garbage and find the legit community underneath.
• These bad actors were given fucking TV air time (and boosting on Youtube) on multiple occasions just to ensure that they made the "flat earth community" look as insane and retarded as possible..interviews, broadcasts of their "flat earth community" events which were effectively circus freak shows, etc.
• The legit members of the community were ignored, deplatformed, and silenced at every turn. In fact, one of them was going to debate the aforementioned black science man on Joe Rogan once upon a time. Turns out black science man's handlers thought that was a bad idea and pulled out completely. Does that sound like someone confident in their position to you?
• And more.

Now, I'm not trying to change any minds on the subject matter itself. The point is that..if an idea is, indeed, so silly and dumb and foolish - Why the massive efforts at pushing it back out of the public eye? Why the censorship? The ridicule? Wouldn't an idea not holding any merit or proverbial weight simply die out all on its own?

This happens across many, many topics far more often than most realize. In fact, most unthinkingly go right along with it because they just love being part of a mob.

Speaking of conspiracy theories I actually believe in, this man is a paid, open, willfull establishment shill. This promotion of the Flat Earth ideology and the virulently destructive Tartarian Empire theory are done in order to disrupt discussion of more sensible and realistic conspiracy theories.

At best, this man is attempting to make sport of you. At worst, he is an operative who stands for the total destruction of everything you believe in. Your culture, your race, your religion, everything. According to the Tartarian Empire theory all current cultural and religious ideologies are artificial creations invented 200 years ago in the wake of the collapse of a world-spanning, highly advanced, multicultural, multi-racial empire that practiced a pagan theology.

This theory is an advanced and deliberate informational weapon designed to make the common populace doubt any pretense of identity they have. Once a large collapse scenario/Great Reset occurs, this theory will be disseminated in greater force as a means of thought control. Under its directives, all old-world information will be regarded as heretical and outlawed or destroyed. This extends even to religious texts as under the Tartarian Empire theory, all modern forms of Christianity, Judaism and Islam are actually inherently Satanic and druidic paganism is supposedly the true faith. Flat Earth and an accompanying geocentric model will also be promoted in order to make basic scientific study heretical.

I recommend you do whatever you can to familiarize yourself with the talking points of Flat Earth and the Tatarian Empire while you still have the freedom and the ability to do so. These people are an extremely dangerous destructive force that poses an existential threat to not just the human race, but all of our collected history and culture as they seek to rewrite it to fit their own twisted machinations. Do not allow these people to gain a foothold in conspiracy discussion circles. Already this interloper has meddled with productive discussion earlier in this thread.

 

[The Ugly One]

They were setting up a marginal community as the Other and propagandising it as an existential threat to some aspect of society that they wanted to prop up as unassailable. Criticising scientists now gets you labelled as "flat earther" or "denier", no matter that the scientific method - as elicudated by Karl Popper - rests entirely on the foundation of questioning and criticism of established thought and dogma.

As an aside, the way that they hijacked Popper's "paradox of tolerance", and twisted it into the opposite of what he said, makes me rather upset.

It's a simple tactic. You find some weirdos that 99.99% of people don't like, magnify their threat ten thousand fold, and tell the now-terrified populace that you need a vast array of new powers to quell the threat.

"Look, allowing the internet to be uncensored allows flat earth kookery to spread!"
"Look, allowing the internet to be uncensored allowed violent white supremacism to spread!"
"Look, allowing the internet to be uncensored allows dangerous COVID misinformation to spread!"

Libs at this point believe that if Elon Musk uncensors Twitter, America will be a Nazi flat-earth homeopathic dictatorship by 2030.

 

[Fek]

They were setting up a marginal community as the Other and propagandising it as an existential threat to some aspect of society that they wanted to prop up as unassailable. Criticising scientists now gets you labelled as "flat earther" or "denier", no matter that the scientific method - as elicudated by Karl Popper - rests entirely on the foundation of questioning and criticism of established thought and dogma.

That's just it. That's what gets me no matter the topic itself. The scientific community is seemingly overloaded with fart-huffing "yes" men that will do all in their power to avoid actually conducting themselves according to the scientific method. It isn't about what is observably/evidently true (especially with repeated scrutiny) at all, which..vexes me.

As an aside, the way that they hijacked Popper's "paradox of tolerance", and twisted it into the opposite of what he said, makes me rather upset.

The "intolerance of the intolerant" part, specifically? Or?

It's a simple tactic. You find some weirdos that 99.99% of people don't like, magnify their threat ten thousand fold, and tell the now-terrified populace that you need a vast array of new powers to quell the threat.

Are you familiar with the Hegelian dialectic? It's effectively what gets employed every single time there's any establishment-approved crisis or diversion.

Fabricate a problem.

-Propaganda: "There's a big scary virus that's going to kill everyone!"​

Gain the desired reaction.

-Niggercattle: "OMG OH NOES WE'S ALL GUNNA DIE SAVE US GUBMINT!"​

To then propose a solution.

-Govt: "Okay, take this experimental gene juice. Okay, now take more. Okay, wear a symbol of your submission on your face and stay isolated from other people." etc, etc​

The solution, of course, not really being a solution at all. It's simply whatever societal change was desired by the parasites in the first place. It's the basic formula used for all of this crap right alongside gaslighting and other bad faith attacks.

To the point:

<snip>

I think you need a hug, sir.

 

[Russian Bot]

 

[the fall of man]

@Fek


Speaking of conspiracy theories I actually believe in, this man is a paid, open, willfull establishment shill. This promotion of the Flat Earth ideology and the virulently destructive Tartarian Empire theory are done in order to disrupt discussion of more sensible and realistic conspiracy theories.

At best, this man is attempting to make sport of you. At worst, he is an operative who stands for the total destruction of everything you believe in. Your culture, your race, your religion, everything. According to the Tartarian Empire theory all current cultural and religious ideologies are artificial creations invented 200 years ago in the wake of the collapse of a world-spanning, highly advanced, multicultural, multi-racial empire that practiced a pagan theology.

This theory is an advanced and deliberate informational weapon designed to make the common populace doubt any pretense of identity they have. Once a large collapse scenario/Great Reset occurs, this theory will be disseminated in greater force as a means of thought control. Under its directives, all old-world information will be regarded as heretical and outlawed or destroyed. This extends even to religious texts as under the Tartarian Empire theory, all modern forms of Christianity, Judaism and Islam are actually inherently Satanic and druidic paganism is supposedly the true faith. Flat Earth and an accompanying geocentric model will also be promoted in order to make basic scientific study heretical.

I recommend you do whatever you can to familiarize yourself with the talking points of Flat Earth and the Tatarian Empire while you still have the freedom and the ability to do so. These people are an extremely dangerous destructive force that poses an existential threat to not just the human race, but all of our collected history and culture as they seek to rewrite it to fit their own twisted machinations. Do not allow these people to gain a foothold in conspiracy discussion circles. Already this interloper has meddled with productive discussion earlier in this thread.

I don't really hold to flat earth theory (I know how a GPS works and until a flat earth version that doesn't depend on special relativity and gravity warping of spacetime is proposed), but why would anybody care in a *conspiracy* thread? It's just to post stuff you believe in. The point is to see how different our beliefs can be and the exceptionally different stuff is interesting

 

[glass_houses]

I just want to know how flat eartherers can explain Oceania and such. I mean, I'm fairly certain I exist.

 

[L50LasPak]

I don't really hold to flat earth theory (I know how a GPS works and until a flat earth version that doesn't depend on special relativity and gravity warping of spacetime is proposed), but why would anybody care in a *conspiracy* thread? It's just to post stuff you believe in. The point is to see how different our beliefs can be and the exceptionally different stuff is interesting

He doesn't actually believe it, is the problem. Almost none of the people shilling it do, its just designed to sabotage. Nothing else. There is no meaningful discussion to be gained from it. Its a weapon.

 

[L50LasPak]

That's just it. That's what gets me no matter the topic itself. The scientific community is seemingly overloaded with fart-huffing "yes" men that will do all in their power to avoid actually conducting themselves according to the scientific method. It isn't about what is observably/evidently true (especially with repeated scrutiny) at all, which..vexes me.

The "intolerance of the intolerant" part, specifically? Or?

Are you familiar with the Hegelian dialectic? It's effectively what gets employed every single time there's any establishment-approved crisis or diversion.

Fabricate a problem.

-Propaganda: "There's a big scary virus that's going to kill everyone!"​

Gain the desired reaction.

-Niggercattle: "OMG OH NOES WE'S ALL GUNNA DIE SAVE US GUBMINT!"​

To then propose a solution.

-Govt: "Okay, take this experimental gene juice. Okay, now take more. Okay, wear a symbol of your submission on your face and stay isolated from other people." etc, etc​

The solution, of course, not really being a solution at all. It's simply whatever societal change was desired by the parasites in the first place. It's the basic formula used for all of this crap right alongside gaslighting and other bad faith attacks.

To the point:

I think you need a hug, sir.

I find it astonishing how you can go on and on about bad faith attacks with the way you structure your posts and do everything to insinuate that anyone who disagrees with you is being intolerant. You deliberately spread a fabricated point of view that has no other purpose than to attack and destroy anything that disagrees with the paradigm, then in the same breath claim to be the oppressed one.

Perhaps most astonishing of all is how you can see past your own face with a nose that fucking big.