Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Hell on Earth]

A major driving force for the USA's territorial expansion was the risk to both military and economic security by directly bordering the most powerful empires in the world simultaneously. The early USA bordered Spanish, British, Russian, and French territory. Spain was openly hostile, and Britain wasn't exactly friendly.

Breaking European imperial power to secure American interests continued to be a policy objective in Washington through the end of WW2.

Most of that claimed territory was de facto controlled by the Natives and had almost no European or Mexican settlers in them.

And they had more important shit to care about than expending money to settle barren land with very hostile natives.

 

[Su-27 Flanker-B]

It's like wearing red clothes to scare the bulls.

My dude

Monke brain

Thats on me.

 

[biozeminadae1]

You caught me, Russia would never expand into the Americas ever, they're good little angels who never did such a thing, and they never abused Native Americans. Only the US did such a thing. I think going to a territory and exploiting all the people there is a little different than buying already colonized lands from people who had already colonized them.

And natives were such wittwe ungels that didn't scalped colonists and razed their settlements. Russian colonies in America weren't a lounges

straw man? again? in my kiwi farms? more likely than you'd think...

 

[The Ugly One]

Most of that claimed territory was de facto controlled by the Natives and had almost no European or Mexican settlers in them.

You can insist all you want that this wasn't actually a concern, but this, along with settler/Indian relationships, was the dominant foreign policy issue, and pretty much every major figure in the first half of the 19th century, from Jefferson onward, talks about it in letters, journals, public addresses, etc.

The important river ports were all controlled by great powers, the Mississippi being controlled by the French prior to the Louisiana, Spanish border patrols would arrest American trappers on sight, and nearly every Indian tribe east of the Rockies had diplomatic relationships with the British. There was vast fur wealth east of the Appalachians, and the British were moving in, regularly making incursions south of the agreed-upon territory.

And they had more important shit to care about than expending money to settle barren land with very hostile natives.

Wrong. That's why the Federalists died as a political party after opposing both the Louisiana Purchase and the Louis & Clark expedition.

 

[White_N]

God bless the EOD people, literally the worst fucking job imaginable. If these people don't do it now, then babushka is gonna end up doing it on accident 30 years later.

Yeah, from what republican surgeons said, of the wounded, the worst are the ones who hit the landmine. Let's hope they take all of the explosives out.

Don't mistake this with moral consistency. The Russian sanctions are fucking over their own Oligarchs in the energy business which limits how much the cunts in power can steal and how hard they can twist peoples arms to stay in power. Same with Hungary, the energy industry is the primary method they use to rob their own country, and now that's being fucked with.

I never really relied solely on morals and I never expected others to do the same. It's just surprising that most of Europe is so happy to commit economic seppuku and buy American energy for three times the price, and all that to protect democracy in Ukraine. So a politician who at least somewhat considers the needs of his country is refreshing.

 

[Titos]

An interesting video, just showing what malls and some stores are like in Russia at the moment.

 

[IKOL]

And yet nobody in the west was dumb enough to take that faggot Marx seriously,

Democrats party and wok-i-stan would have a word with you. WEF would like to have a lot more than that.

 

[Titos]

Democrats party and wok-i-stan would have a word with you. WEF would like to have a lot more than that.

You mean the groups subverted by the USSR?

 

[Based Boy]

It seems that pro-Russian telegram channels are on propaganda offensive today.
Yuri Zakopec, also known as "Kalina", member of "Donbass" battalion of 24th brigade, surrendered in Lugansk.

Spoiler: Translation

Yuri(Y):We were preforming reconnaissance, and during reconnaissance we stumbled upon positions of Russian soldiers.
Reporter(R): Did you surrendered yourself?
Y: Yes. Because i, as an officer, should put first lives of my personal. I did not trade their lives for some ambitions or heroic deeds, because wasting lives of people is not a heroic deed, saving their lives is humane deed.
R: How many people surrendered with you?
Y: Seven people. Counting myself.
R: And where were your high command at that moment? Did you had any method of communication?
Y: In HQs, far from front lines. It so happened, that from all professional officers, there is very little of them left alive, and i am, as a professional officer, was given command over people without military experience, so that i could help them to organize their service. Around 70 to 75 percent of people are people who for the first time in their lives hold a gun in their hands.
R: But why they are thrown in such hot zones?
Y: Because there is not enough professionals.
R: Lacking people, right?
Y: Yes. Prepared professionals. People really are not ready in terms of military training. Maybe morally, at the beginning, there was readiness, but when they came here and seen a real picture, not what is shown on TV, their opinion radically changes and they start questioning thing. And when some questions are being asked, they are followed by negative consequences. So, i am here, with my soldiers, and i saved their lives.

Spoiler: Translation

Senior lieutenant Zakopets Yuri Mihailovich, born on 19 of April of 1996, live in (put living address here), after academy was serving in 24th motorized brigade in 5th company as commander of mechanized platoon of first mechanized platoon. Got captured, first was put in Komishivaha after which was transferred into Pervomaisk, when i am held to this day. Was treated humanly, was given help, fed and every Geneva rule was upheld. I want to say to my comrades, friends, i am alive, everything is fine, i hope i would be exchanged. To those why are fighting i want to say, that they should think about what are they doing and what kind of damage they inflict on civilian population, to children. You and i have children, grandfathers, grandmothers. Now they are prisoners of this situation, which not we made, but those above us. I want to appeal to everyone to not fire on civilian targets and civilians. (Shitty translation, but main point are easily understood.)

Here are his photos in a better days.

And a tearjerker, kindly produced by DPR. Story goes as follows. Native of Lugansk, after 2014 moved to Zaporozhye and then to Lvov. Was mobilized and sent to the front, where was captured. Now DPR kindly arranged this meeting with his mother. Why cameras are there? That's for you to decide.

Spoiler: Translation

Commentator: Peoples Militia organized a meeting of member of Ukrainian Territorial Defense Forces with his mother, women, who was worried about a fate of her wayward son.
Soldier: First, i want to apologize before you. I don't know if you could ever forgive me, but i still want to apologize that we have to meet in such a situation, it should not have happened like this, in any case. This is a terrible combination of circumstances that we meet like this. And for the situation you were put into. I could not dreamed of this nightmare, that because of me you would be in such a situation. And for that you have to be so nervous because of me.
Mother: Everybody loves you, no one abandoned you, no one. Everybody wait for you at home. I just want to ask you, couldn't this be done any other way? You could have just come, throw everything away and just come. Not like this. Come back not like this.

 

[Jarolleon]

You are a moron, communism promotes the idea that we all must have the same values. So if this subversion were to work, the goal must have been to take those countries from within or make the populace more agreeable to communist ideology by making them SIMILAR to the Soviet Union, not different...

Because after Stalin the commies gave up on actually taking over the world. Though if they did somehow win the Cold War and conquer the West the pozz has similar enough core values that it can be re-tooled, it only encourages you to be a lazy degenerate because you're in an evil colonialist society and all your labour goes towards some rich white guy's yacht, when your overlords are communists it'll suddenly tell you to work your ass off for the motherland and quit the drugs and Tumblr nonsense because it makes others do unnecessary emotional labour for you or some shit. Sure there would be a rather bloody transition period but commies aren't exactly shy from that. Plus its approach to "critical thinking" is very convenient for dissolving any convictions that are not included in the latest hive software update.

Also more on topic are the "People's Republics" some neo-Soviet LARP or what?

 

[White_N]

Captured soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine marched through Donetsk square.

The assault on Liman

 

[biozeminadae1]

You mean the groups subverted by the USSR?

Every liberal is a Soviet agent.

 

[Sithis]

https://archive.ph/Ep0xo

So I know that Kinzinger is a notoriously MATI little lolcow but seriously lmao what the hell exactly is with this little faggot and beating his chest over Russia? You'd think Putin personally did 9/11 and then told Adam he was adopted the way he seems to take this eastern European war so personally.

 

[IKOL]

You mean the groups subverted by the USSR?

Wake the fuck up, kid, USSR is long time gone.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

So when this is all over and done with, how much of Ukraine do you think Russia will end up gobbling up? I was convinced at the start they'd just grab Mariupol and create a land bridge with Crimea, but now I'm honestly convinced that Zelensky won't give up until Kiev is surrounded and the entire east has been gobbled up.

 

[IKOL]

So when this is all over and done with, how much of Ukraine do you think Russia will end up gobbling up? I was convinced at the start they'd just grab Mariupol and create a land bridge with Crimea, but now I'm honestly convinced that Zelensky won't give up until Kiev is surrounded and the entire east has been gobbled up.

Probably this. Personally I don't mind Poles take Galicia, the region is literal cesspit either way.

 

[marfusha]

Compilation of azovstal fighters surrendering

Captured soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine marched through Donetsk square.

How recent it is?

 

[DenseDeerFather]

So when this is all over and done with, how much of Ukraine do you think Russia will end up gobbling up? I was convinced at the start they'd just grab Mariupol and create a land bridge with Crimea, but now I'm honestly convinced that Zelensky won't give up until Kiev is surrounded and the entire east has been gobbled up.

Some of the news here have made reports on how Ukraine will never even consider a ceasefire with Russia.

So one would assume Ukraine would have to get taken over completely before they surrender.

Now why that is probably depends on who you ask. Maybe he doesn't wanna break the goodwill he's gotten with the west.

(Because I'm fairly certain no one cared about Ukraine before this entire thing happened. Crimea was a temporary care but people quickly forgot)

Maybe there is some level of nationalism / thirst for glory / hatred of Russia (depending on who you ask)

That is assuming Russia will win of course. I'm far too militarily uneducated to say whether or not they will.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I'm sorry, but the moral depravity of the West is not due to the Soviet Union. Even if the overblown subversion was caused by Soviet infiltration of your institutions, that could have only been possible if people within your realm wanted to change the core values of the nations of the Free World. There's also the fact that none of the peoples of the former Soviet Empire exhibit traits prescribed by the Soviet subversion.

That faggot Marx is taken seriously by the West now.

The American's left's insistence on including depraved homosexuals (because not all of them wanted to wallow in bathhouses giving AIDS to one another), stupid dykes, troons, bestiality, pedophiles, drug addicts and other fringe deviants like the bondage and scat fetishists is what's destroying us. My father was an old school communist and he would be the first to tell you they need to lined up against a wall and shot. I'm not a communist like my dad but he was right,

I WONDER WHAT IS DOUBLEPOSTING
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Shut up polack at least those two can have a coherent conversation that makes sense even if they're arguing opposite sides, you always post a constant stream of diarrhea nonsense.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

Some of the news here have made reports on how Ukraine will never even consider a ceasefire with Russia.

So one would assume Ukraine would have to get taken over completely before they surrender.

Now why that is probably depends on who you ask. Maybe he doesn't wanna break the goodwill he's gotten with the west.

(Because I'm fairly certain no one cared about Ukraine before this entire thing happened. Crimea was a temporary care but people quickly forgot)

Maybe there is some level of nationalism / thirst for glory / hatred of Russia (depending on who you ask)

That is assuming Russia will win of course. I'm far too militarily uneducated to say whether or not they will.

Essentially there's a load of problems that would crop up should Ukraine conceed any territory: The land bridge to Crimea basically cuts Ukraine off from the sea so removes a very important trade hub, there's a few major areas of Ukraine that MIGHT be gobbled up that were previously fairly important for their overall output (like the steelworks) so you remove two very key areas for trade and suddenly it becomes even more of a struggle for Ukraine to pay back any loans that the world gave them (and even if those are written off as predicted, good luck Ukraine returning to anything like their pre-war economy). The longer the war goes on, the higher the chance of Russia taking MORE territory and screwing the future of Ukraine over even more, even taking large areas of nothing farmland would directly impact Ukraine's farming industry. God help them if Kiev flips to Russian control.

Then other than the economic pressure there's the political pressure, Zelensky for a very long time was considered a puppet with the military being the real string pullers, hence why he couldn't negotiate peace without his life being put in danger. If he accepts peace then he'd probably have to flee the country, leading to an internal power vacuum that could put Ukraine on the verge of total collapse. Cities flipping to Russia also creates a major refugee crisis because suddenly these Ukrainians can't go 'home' if home is another country and they fear being persecuted.

It seems like the strategy Ukraine is doing right now is simply to try and soak up as much as possible in the hope that Russia gets bored and fucks off, but Russia is also basically unable to withdraw because it'd be seen as a major loss to them too. It's a complete stalemate and a lot of people are going to needlessly die over this over the next few years (because this isn't going away anytime soon)