should unemployed people be allowed to vote?

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Uberpenguin said:
If you're a tradesman or are self-employed, then you don't get to vote. That's definitely totally in favor of the working class, because obviously everyone who's a contractor should not be allowed to vote, that will fix things.
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i didn’t say that. tradesman/self employed is a job i just said that “influencer” isn’t.
Uberpenguin said:
It's like when people say dumb stuff like that you should have to have a college degree to be able to vote, when universities are one of the main drivers of the issues we have to begin with
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that’s retarded idea people have, i agree
 
Uberpenguin said:
See OP, even other women can see the flaw in this plan. Giving more power to the elite/the establishment is possibly the worst idea someone could come up with for how to actually benefit the working class. Plus half the time the actual welfare class doesn't even bother politically participating, it's too much effort unless they're spoon fed.
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i can see what you mean here. taking away voting rights for the unemployed would be best if it happened a long long time ago. unfortunately it’s not feasible now because it’s too late, but i think the conversation is still worth having because it pisses me off talking to some airhead then realizing they’re allowed to vote when they don’t know anything about anything.
 
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verifymejoshuaconnormoon said:
i can see what you mean here. taking away voting rights for the unemployed would be best if it happened a long long time ago. unfortunately it’s not feasible now because it’s too late, but i think the conversation is still worth having because it pisses me off talking to some airhead then realizing they’re allowed to vote when they don’t know anything about anything.
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That's understandable, trust me, but there just isn't any way to systematically accomplish this kind of stuff.

This couldn't have been done a long time ago because this wouldn't have been necessary; if you weren't the kind of person who was worthy of a vote, everyone would simply ostracize and ignore you until you got run out of town, especially since in most cases when people were voting they were doing so on very local issues where if you got on people's nerves you'd face object consequences. There was no need for systematic controls, it happened organically.

And I consider that desire for separation to be the foundation of the US, a bunch of people saying "you guys do what you want to do, leave us out of it". It's a sort of aggressive separatism I very strongly support overall; you think you're right, I think I'm right, then let's go our separate ways and if you're so much superior to me then obviously you won't lose anything; trust me, I'm more than happy to take that bet.


My normal derogatory comments about women aside, I think being a chick plays into this. I get the feeling like women don't quite understand how it feels to be restrained constantly and constantly be dragged back to discussing all these worthless systems that govern people who you've never met and have nothing to do with. You build shit, you wire shit, you plumb shit, you cook shit, you learn how to use guns, you learn to grow your own stuff, and it never gets you anywhere because there's always someone fucking breathing down your neck or some institution looking to take their dues.
You want to do HVAC? Hope you enjoy going into debt to take useless English classes, cause you need an associates degree. Want to be an electrician? Doesn't matter how many houses you've wired to code as a contractor, unless they give you their slip of paper declaring you a part of the system, you aren't able to call yourself an electrician. And those are just blue collar professions, forget white collar ones. The establishment will get their pound of flesh, and they will give you nothing in return. It's absolute castration.
Then you tell me people should be even more penalized for not being employed through these exploitative avenues.

Ultimately it doesn't really matter, do whatever you want to with votes, at this point they're useless anyways, the federal government can do whatever it wants and we'll have to eat it. The only possible solution I can see to start remedying the issue is working to return power to states and localities, come whatever may.
 
Uberpenguin said:
Ultimately it doesn't really matter, do whatever you want to with votes, at this point they're useless anyways,
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unfortunately that’s the sad truth and even more sad that people blindingly follow what the government tells them. and i agree power should be returned to the states, the US is so big in terms of population and that two states can practically be different countries. it makes no sense for the federal government to have that much power over all these vastly different states
 
The Ugly One said:
As for the "unemployed" part, the modern administrative state has all the tools it needs to cause any sector of the economy or any region to suffer massive unemployment on command.
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And remember they can make it even more specific than just a sector of the economy. During the lockdowns, there were oddities like certain departments of stores being forced shut, or candy shops being deemed essential and allowed to open.

AMHOLIO said:
Because it'd play hell on the economy if employers decide to hire or fire people based on their political status. We'd have a giant yo yo of people being hired and fired.
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verifymejoshuaconnormoon said:
sounds like a good reason for people to stfu about politics and talk about other things. employers do this already anyways
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Throw in the idea of the government shutting down parts of the economy to manipulate the voter base and the employers won't be the determining factor anymore, it'll be the union endorsements. Oh, the union endorsed the opposite party's candidate? Well, we've just discovered some safety violations and have to shut down the industry for the foreseeable future, and also suddenly supply chains aren't moving anything that industry uses anyways. What a quinky-dink.
 
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SpergPatrol said:
Well it depends on who it is because there are hard working people who get fucked over by companies due to bullshit reasons, like I know people who been fired due to they did too good of a job, and got done ahead of time instead of staying 8 hours dicking around.

If we had that system though it would just ensure every 4 years we have MASS unemployment, because if a company wanted a certain guy in, well time to purge all the possible voters against it.

We should more likely do a political intelligence test, you should not be allowed to vote if you don't know what half the amendments you voting for are or this is the first time seeing the names of any candidate outside of the president section.
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Yeah I know people who ended up unemployed thanks to all of the Covid bs
 
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I think that honestly, if you want a system that functions well- all citizens can vote;

but in order to become a citizen, you need to earn that privilege.

People may not like this, but I don't think that even birth enough should be enough. Military service, social contributions to society, owning a business, exceptional community service or x hours of community service per year, etc, could be markers for that privilege.

Or not, but either way, the privilege is definitely abused today, for the worst.
 
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As someone in a weird limbo right now before my job starts in a few months; I shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

Though maybe that’s more my apathy towards how much my personal vote matters and not wanting to constantly be peer pressured into doing it by my mother who was 60 years off from being a suffragette.
 
The Ugly One said:
Just because women can't be blamed for being born that way doesn't mean we should hand them the keys to the state.
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But any loser is capable as long as they have a penis?
 
Pretty sure most stay at home parents have a huge stake in the direction of a country, why wouldn’t they be allowed to vote? I’d prefer that they stay at home and actually take care of/ educate children rather than allow the state to do the bulk of that for them. What’s the benefit of handing over child rearing just so they can go work some meaningless burger flipping job? Hell, even if they had a high-paying job before kids I’d argue raising their children properly is more of a net positive to society compared to their prior economic output in all but a few cases.

Also, how could you even enforce this? Any NEET could open a “business” and name themselves the CEO of it despite having no revenue or product. Guess what, that would technically make them self employed and eligible to vote.
 
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If we're putting in requirements to vote, the vast majority of the working population shouldn't be allowed to vote either. The average person is an idiot with no idea what's good for them.
 
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If we're restricting voters then just deny libtards the right to vote. If we have to do that in a roundabout way, then require a certain degree of intelligence (so...any).
 
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