Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Shovelbird]

Each day, without a fault, by the clock, a new idiot appears.

Thanks for the introduction

 

[Elbereth]

Shut up polack at least those two can have a coherent conversation that makes sense even if they're arguing opposite sides, you always post a constant stream of diarrhea nonsense.

Ah, our leading expert about united nation has spoken

 

[UVB-76]

The American's left's insistence on including depraved homosexuals (because not all of them wanted to wallow in bathhouses giving AIDS to one another), stupid dykes, troons, bestiality, pedophiles, drug addicts and other fringe deviants like the bondage and scat fetishists is what's destroying us. My father was an old school communist and he would be the first to tell you they need to lined up against a wall and shot.

That's missing the point.
The communist playbook is recruiting people who are rejected by society and manipulate them into thinking that socialism/communism is the way forward. People like your father would be loyal to a socialist state, but would have no actual use for a do-or-die revolutionary mindset. People who are independent, well-adjusted, industrious, etc can just see where the wind is blowing, abandon the revolution and just make money as an upstanding citizen in a capitalist system. That's a natural braking force as people with long term goals will compromise and bide their time. They'll do alright. The dregs of society though, they know their place and they don't want to go back. For them the only way is through.
So in the early days of the movement it is composed of degenerates, and once they're no longer useful the hardliners start purging them because they're unstable and a net loss to society. But that's the people hardliners and theorycels recruited to be their foot soldiers.
The same thing happened to the Russian Jews. Tsarist Russia's pogroms and attempts at assimilating them into Russian culture and the Orthodox Church obviously lead to them embracing the revolution and joining the socialist and labor parties. A plan to purge them out of the party and send them to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast may have existed as part of the Doctor's Plot, but we'll never know how credible that possibility was as Stalin's death put that conspiracy to a screeching halt.

 

[AGPinochet]

So it really does seem that _elenskyy is going to fight this war to the last Khokhol. Problem with that strategy is Hoholstan is rapidly running out of Khokhols to feed into the meat grinder. 6,552,971 have fled the country since February 24th, there are rumors of mass conscription avoidance and us Kiwis have a direct report from a fighter on the ground that the Ukrops are adopting the strategy of drowning their enemies in their blood.
After the war Ukraine (assuming such a country actually exists after the end of the war) is going to have a Fertility rate of like 0.5 not only due to being a poor shithole but on account of all the reproductive aged men who were needlessly sacrificed in the Great Anti-Russian Crusade financed and supplied by the west.

 

[Elbereth]

Russia: Pay us in rubble
Poland: It's against agreement
Russia: We are cutting off gas!
Poland: We can buy elsewhere
Russia: *Angry retard noises*

Holly shit, everybody in Poland knew it is going happens for years. That's why we have two gas terminals, gas pipe from Noway and bought capacity in terminals in Latvia. In couple of years Poland might even be gas hub, due to amount of investment int that department.

Moreover, now that Russia breached contract PGNiG can sue Gazprom and win, since both parties agreed to arbitrage in Sweden I think. Too bad it will probably take like 10 years to win that lawsuit.

 

[AnotherOne]

Russia: Pay us in rubble
Poland: It's against agreement
Russia: We are cutting off gas!
Poland: We can buy elsewhere
Russia: *Angry retard noises*
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Holly shit, everybody in Poland knew it is going happens for years. That's why we have two gas terminals, gas pipe from Noway and bought capacity in terminals in Latvia. In couple of years Poland might even be gas hub, due to amount of investment int that department.

It's a good investment given the circumstances, but of course Poland wants to have its cake and eat it too:

Polish PM Calls on Norway to Share Oil and Gas Profits Windfall​

 

[The Ugly One]

So it really does seem that _elenskyy is going to fight this war to the last Khokhol. Problem with that strategy is Hoholstan is rapidly running out of Khokhols to feed into the meat grinder. 6,552,971 have fled the country since February 24th, there are rumors of mass conscription avoidance and us Kiwis have a direct report from a fighter on the ground that the Ukrops are adopting the strategy of drowning their enemies in their blood.
After the war Ukraine (assuming such a country actually exists after the end of the war) is going to have a Fertility rate of like 0.5 not only due to being a poor shithole but on account of all the reproductive aged men who were needlessly sacrificed in the Great Anti-Russian Crusade financed and supplied by the west.

I read somewhere a few years ago that the State Department's policy of arming and supporting whichever side is losing a war in a given shithole country primarily accomplishes little other than lots and lots of extra corpses and wars lasting 2x-10x longer.

 

[Elbereth]

It's a good investment given the circumstances, but of course Poland wants to have its cake and eat it too:

Polish PM Calls on Norway to Share Oil and Gas Profits Windfall​

Our PM is complete retard (especially in regards to optics) and I wish he would shut the fuck up

 

[White_N]

The "voice of Azov" surrendered - the woman Ekaterina (The Bird).

Her smile and Azovstal are gone.

Compilation of azovstal fighters surrendering

How recent it is?

Posted recently, but there was no information other than "Ho-ho stupid Nazis"

 

[The Nothingness]

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So I know that Kinzinger is a notoriously MATI little lolcow but seriously lmao what the hell exactly is with this little faggot and beating his chest over Russia? You'd think Putin personally did 9/11 and then told Adam he was adopted the way he seems to take this eastern European war so personally.

He probably has investments in defense contract companies. And business is booming.

 

[AnotherOne]

Our PM is complete retard (especially in regards to optics) and I wish he would shut the fuck up

It's retards all the way down, then?
Speaking of being retarded, I don't get this 'breach of contract' argument. If Europe could get away with it they'd ban Russian gas tomorrow and I doubt Gazprom would get reimbursed for anything. Poland openly admits it intends to abrogate their existing agreement with Russia asap and existing sanctions mean Russia can't buy much with Euros.

 

[Su-27 Flanker-B]

It's a good investment given the circumstances, but of course Poland wants to have its cake and eat it too:

Polish PM Calls on Norway to Share Oil and Gas Profits Windfall​

"Gibmedat" in polish edition.

Retards in government are trying their best to keep people focused on this issue, ignoring any and all questions about their own incompetence.

 

[White_N]

Russia: Pay us in rubble
Poland: It's against agreement
Russia: We are cutting off gas!
Poland: We can buy elsewhere
Russia: *Angry retard noises*

When Russian dollars and euros are frozen and cannot be used, this demand appears much more reasonable.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

That's missing the point.
The communist playbook is recruiting people who are rejected by society and manipulate them into thinking that socialism/communism is the way forward. People like your father would be loyal to a socialist state, but would have no actual use for a do-or-die revolutionary mindset.

Whose playbook? You mean Angela Davis, the Communist Party USA darling? She ran I don't know how many times, and the local dogcatcher got more votes than her, every single time. People like my dad were keenly aware that no real communist or socialist state would ever take hold in the USA. This is something /pol/tards fail to understand, since they just repeat talking points from a video a Soviet defector made decades ago, one that isn't taken seriously by anyone except them.

People who are independent, well-adjusted, industrious, etc can just see where the wind is blowing, abandon the revolution and just make money as an upstanding citizen in a capitalist system. That's a natural braking force as people with long term goals will compromise and bide their time. They'll do alright. The dregs of society though, they know their place and they don't want to go back. For them the only way is through.

This is not news to me or anyone else, frankly.

So in the early days of the movement it is composed of degenerates, and once they're no longer useful the hardliners start purging them because they're unstable and a net loss to society. But that's the people hardliners and theorycels recruited to be their foot soldiers.

You are not describing actual socialists but a bunch of dilettantes and larpers calling themselves Communists and wearing Hot Topic Che Guevara t-shirts.

The same thing happened to the Russian Jews. Tsarist Russia's pogroms and attempts at assimilating them into Russian culture and the Orthodox Church obviously lead to them embracing the revolution and joining the socialist and labor parties. A plan to purge them out of the party and send them to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast may have existed as part of the Doctor's Plot, but we'll never know how credible that possibility was as Stalin's death put that conspiracy to a screeching halt.

That's not at all relevant to what I stated. You have a poor understanding of early French communism, Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, the internal infighting between various factions within the USSR, the USSR after Stalin took control and the USSR during/after Khrushchev, none of which is comparable to the the rise and fall of the US Communist Party, the mid century left and modern progressives currently dominating the Democratic Party in the USA. Leftists were enamored of the USSR post war, but they also admired many other socialists and communists, most notably Mao and Fidel Castro, who practiced a different and more proactive type of socialism, one that influenced many in Latin America and Africa. It was Cuba who first lent support to Agostinho Neto, with the USSR begrudgingly sending a few advisors and materiel after the Cubans began winning engagements, since they didn't see themselves as exporting revolution at that point in time. Stop taking everything a dumbass on /pol/ says as gospel truth.

Ah, our leading expert about united nation has spoken

A Polack goes to a whore house. The madam is out of women but, since the guy is a Polack she thinks she can get away with a blow up doll and he'll probably never know the difference. A little nervous because she has never tried this one before, she waits outside the door. The Polack comes out in five minutes. "How was it?" asks the madam nervously. "I don't know," says the Polack, "I bit her on the tit and she farted and flew out the window!"

 

[Elbereth]

Speaking of being retarded, I don't get this 'breach of contract' argument.

There is agreement between gas companies. Here it is between Gazprom and PGNiG. They signed it in trusted third party (here, in this case I believe this is Sweden) and it specifies number of things. Like prices, (because these are not constant and in most cases linked with prices on commodity exchange), or terms of payment including dates, currency and so on. There are also contractual penalties. Agreement between Gazprom and PGNiG was in take or pay mode. It means that Poland had to either buy gas, or still pay for gas that was not taken. If Poland would stop buying gas on their own, Gazprom would sue PGNiG and for sure won. Contracts are not public, but we know that currency of payment was specified as euro. Some countries could either pay in euro or in ruble but were force to nether. No sane person would sign a contract with gazprom, that forces you to pay in ruble.

Why? Because it makes you wide open to exchange rate fuckery. Ruble is controlled by Russian Central Bank and they have multiple actions that would lower or rise exchange rate as they wish. I fully expect them to fuck over all countries which agreed to payment in rubel during autumn.

So, demands of Russia to pay in ruble are against agreements both parties signed. Some countries have no choice and have to dance as Putin plays, but not Poland. However, this situation is short term. Putin right now have leverage over germany or austria and so on, but this is advantage here and now. In three years, when every country in Europe will have gaz terminal, all that leverage will be completely gone. Putin sacrificed years long economic cooperation for short term move that will likely backfire on him.

 

[Ponzo]

 

[The Ugly One]

It's retards all the way down, then?
Speaking of being retarded, I don't get this 'breach of contract' argument. If Europe could get away with it they'd ban Russian gas tomorrow

If Europe could get away with it, they'd tell Washington fuck off when it comes to using SWIFT to achieve State Dept policy ends. Without Washington, Russia's invasion of Ukraine would have resulted in not much more than a lot of harrumphing and garrumphing in Brussels.

Reminder that the Germans shut down their own nuclear energy industry specifically so that they could buy more Russian gas, and the leader responsible for it now sits on the board of Gazprom as a reward. Nobody would care about Russia invading Ukraine except that while Berlin was taking Russian bribes, Washington was taking Ukrainian bribes, so now that money is on the line, Washington is reminding Europe who is whose bitch in NATO (ironically, after 4 years of squawking and squalling about Trump doing exactly that).

 

[DumbDude42]

Moreover, now that Russia breached contract PGNiG can sue Gazprom and win, since both parties agreed to arbitrage in Sweden I think. Too bad it will probably take like 10 years to win that lawsuit.

why would gazprom submit to that now? they'll say that war has rendered contract null and void and ignore any judgment.
like, you think sweden is going to send enforcers into russia to jail gazprom executives if they refuse to pay fines?

 

[Elbereth]

why would gazprom submit to that now? they'll say that war has rendered contract null and void and ignore any judgment.
like, you think sweden is going to send enforcers into russia to jail gazprom executives if they refuse to pay fines?

Well, they are going to delay process. And then delay it even more. And then some. After 10 years, they are finaly going to lose. Refuse payment once, refuse payment twice and so on. Finally debt collection proceedings will begin and Poland will confiscate gazprom goods or even Russia federation exports in places like for example Rotterdam. Because no matter what Russia will still be trading with EU.

Normally, direct confiscation of export goods of other countries is extremely badly perceived by other countries, however after war is over I don't think that Russia will have much goodwill left.

 

[marfusha]

Why do you think we're not getting footage of azov commanders? Is it possible they haven't actually surrendered?