Science Are Women Worthless After the Age 20?


The ways that men are valued compared to women signal differential worth.
Society dictates that men reach their peak attractiveness around the age of 50, while a woman’s peak comes and goes by age 22.
Women's rights issues are essentially human rights issues.
“I am not the woman president of Harvard. I am the president of Harvard."—Drew Gilpin Faust

I identify as human—not as male or as female—but human. A human life has innate value. A human, born in America, is endowed with certain inalienable rights. Unfortunately, things become gendered after that. It is all men who are created equal.

For 12,000 years, the hierarchical distribution of power, privilege, and rights has resolutely favored men while entrenching a system that disrespects, oppresses, and exploits women. The notion that all lives have equal value remains aspirational.

Inequality persists between men and women
In our society, the reasons that people are valued is gendered. Men are most valued for their character, including honesty, morality, power, and professional achievement, whereas women are primarily valued for their physical attractiveness and their capacity to be nurturing and empathic. Men reach their peak attractiveness around the age of 50; a woman’s peak comes and goes by the time she reaches 18-22 years old.

Women comprise half of the U.S. workforce, but they also continue to be the family’s primary caregivers and "homemakers," inclusive of housework, organization, and daily tasks such as paying bills. Men engage in 50% more leisure time than women (Kamp Dush, Yavorsky & Schoppe-Sullivan, 2018). You’d think all this extra work would increase a women’s value, but it is quite the opposite. Due to our lowered social status, as more women enter a male-dominated field, the profession becomes feminized and thus devalued, so pay in that field decreases for both men and women.

Worldwide, women make 77 cents to every dollar earned by men, corresponding to a lifetime of inequality and a substantially greater risk of retiring in poverty. "Women’s work," that is healthcare, domestic, and early education careers, are not only underpaid but are also undervalued, despite their societal importance. Women pay more for products marketed to women and are subject to taxes for menstrual products such as tampons. We face rampant sexual harassment and assault in the workplace and are more vulnerable to intimate partner violence in the home. Women are more likely to face chronic hunger, become victims of human trafficking, and, due to industries' reliance on a male standard, are more likely to be injured in automobile crashes and experience pharmacological side effects. The Equal Rights Amendment has still not crossed the finish line.

Medical care for men is all-inclusive, regardless of where their condition is located in their body. Women, on the other hand, must find someone who caters to "women’s issues," and then will likely find their "issue" to be under-researched and psychologized.

Movies and books from a female perspective are maligned as "chick flicks" and "chick lit," implying they are something other than essential dramas or comedies—something smaller and less evolved. Moreover, movie audiences are twice as likely to see male characters on the screen than females, even less if you are watching an action movie (16%) or science fiction (8%) (Bloom, 2020). Even when there is a woman on screen, they will only have a dialogue about 22% of the time (Swanson, 2016), and about half of those conversations will not pass the Bechdel test, where at least two women must talk to one another about something other than a man.

Women are taught that their value comes from being very young, traditionally feminine, and able to bear children. When a protest is organized for equal pay, autonomy, and other basic freedoms, the public is told this is a "women’s march" for "women’s rights"…but women’s rights are human rights, aren’t they?


We all suffer from these oppressive systems of injustice. It is not only women who are impacted by gender norms. Traditional male stereotypes negatively impact men’s physical and mental health, including increased risk for violence, depression, suicide, and substance abuse (Levant & Pryor, 2020). Gender inequality is the most intractable injustice of our age. Although women make up 50.8% of the U.S. population, men make up 73% of Congress. We live in a space where predatory male sexual violence is a slap-on-the-wrist offense but women’s agency and sexual self-determination are considered a threat so great as to justify infantilization, intimidation, discrimination, and government regulation.

Contradictory messages
The truth is, you can’t really know much about me because you know that I'm a woman. Yet so much of how the world responds to women is based on gender. Then, within this gendered construct, there are a thousand contradictory messages that women must negotiate every day.

Women are precious—princesses in need of rescue—but we must shoulder a lifetime of abuse, inequity, and gaslighting. We are evaluated in terms of our bodies—our sexuality—yet no matter what we wear, we are in danger of "asking for it" and being "slut shamed." We are held to an unachievable standard of beauty—then, devalued for every flaw, every pound, every passing year. We are called shrill and silenced because after all, "things have gotten so much better" and "not all men are that way." Yet, we still are not paid an equal wage and must fight for the most basic right—the right to have a choice over what happens within our own bodies.

I am not male—I am not female. I am human.

Women’s rights are human rights!
 
As an added bonus, someone who is able to identify and solve problems on their own is less likely to see themselves as and embody perpetual victimhood like the idiot who wrote this article.

Single Motherhood is on the rise, Divorces are on the rise. That's not gonna happen.


So I'll wait till I'm 50, have that touch of gray, and then score me a 20yo QT. Win win.
You have to do stuff before then though. They won't fall over for the 50 year old homeless drunk guy.
 
You have to do stuff before then though. They won't fall over for the 50 year old homeless drunk guy.
I will use the time honored retired boomer approach:
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Jennie didn't get to go to school nor was she allowed to vote.

Jonnie died in a pointless war.
Dave worked himself to death by 40 to provide for Jennie

But Jennie didn't get to go to college.

Because she's alive, but she's oppressed and the real victim in all of this.
Is that a discarded verse from "People Who Died"?
 
I think people need to learn to take comfort in being a “nobodies”, because that’s how the majority of society will see you except close friends and family. Their opinion of you shouldn’t hurt your feelings as long as you view them as “nobody’s” too. Honestly becoming a mom is the best way to learn that lesson. I wonder why these feminists look down on motherhood so much? Is it because it’s a skill done by women? To be asked to raise a family is a high expectation, its harder than any previous jobs I’ve had because it takes endless thankless work and sacrifice. But one day you will be valued more than anything (I hope) by the few people who matter the most to you.
 
Honestly becoming a mom is the best way to learn that lesson. I wonder why these feminists look down on motherhood so much? Is it because it’s a skill done by women?

A lot of the Radical Feminist writings of the 1960's-1970's largely characterize Womens role as Mother and Teacher to the next generation as a slave contract, despite their immense societal importance. These writings have largely influenced Radical and regular Feminism today. Somehow misconstruing Mens competitive nature and desire to provide and responsibility in jobs, as some "Freedom" that Women aren't allowed to participate in.

Ask any "Career Woman" at 50, how pretending to be a Man for 30 years, worked out for them.
 
I think people need to learn to take comfort in being a “nobodies”, because that’s how the majority of society will see you except close friends and family. Their opinion of you shouldn’t hurt your feelings as long as you view them as “nobody’s” too. Honestly becoming a mom is the best way to learn that lesson. I wonder why these feminists look down on motherhood so much? Is it because it’s a skill done by women? To be asked to raise a family is a high expectation, its harder than any previous jobs I’ve had because it takes endless thankless work and sacrifice. But one day you will be valued more than anything (I hope) by the few people who matter the most to you.
Female here. I hate the idea of having to give up my career for the sake of motherhood, I've poured endless hours into studying, internships, and practicing the skills that have gotten me to the place of financial independence that I am currently. I love my work, even though I've sacrificed years of sleep over it, and it runs me absolutely ragged. The social expectation for women to give up their careers while husbands continue being the primary breadwinner pains me to consider, and damn near makes me write off men entirely in favour of finding a wife.

Of course I'd like kids, I'm good with children and I enjoy teaching from my years as a TA at uni, but I just don't know if I can give up my work and my life to raise children. Can't I be more in life than just a mother? How do you stomach it?

A lot of the Radical Feminist writings of the 1960's-1970's largely characterize Womens role as Mother and Teacher to the next generation as a slave contract, despite their immense societal importance. These writings have largely influenced Radical and regular Feminism today. Somehow misconstruing Mens competitive nature and desire to provide and responsibility in jobs, as some "Freedom" that Women aren't allowed to participate in.

Ask any "Career Woman" at 50, how pretending to be a Man for 30 years, worked out for them.
In essence, it feels good to be productive and competitive, it feels good to pursue excellence. When you're told from birth that your primary role is to birth children and your interests and skills come secondary, it makes maleness seem like liberation. I'm not saying it's correct, but it is a perspective many women have.
 
Female here. I hate the idea of having to give up my career for the sake of motherhood, I've poured endless hours into studying, internships, and practicing the skills that have gotten me to the place of financial independence that I am currently. I love my work, even though I've sacrificed years of sleep over it, and it runs me absolutely ragged. The social expectation for women to give up their careers while husbands continue being the primary breadwinner pains me to consider, and damn near makes me write off men entirely in favour of finding a wife.

Of course I'd like kids, I'm good with children and I enjoy teaching from my years as a TA at uni, but I just don't know if I can give up my work and my life to raise children. Can't I be more in life than just a mother? How do you stomach it?


In essence, it feels good to be productive and competitive, it feels good to pursue excellence. When you're told from birth that your primary role is to birth children and your interests and skills come secondary, it makes maleness seem like liberation. I'm not saying it's correct, but it is a perspective many women have.
The problem I see is that it's not an all or nothing scenario. You'll be out of comission, so to speak, for a few years until the kid is in school, likely, but if you have that excellence drive, it will come out again. Maybe in the same career, maybe in something else. That's one thing younger people often don't get. Life takes you weird places, and it's becoming increasingly rare to lock into one career path. Most people jump around to several in their life nowadays.

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It's not an all or nothing thing. The kids kind of are, but after a certain point, five, six years, a new balance can be found. And what would show drive more than embracing that?
 
The problem I see is that it's not an all or nothing scenario. You'll be out of comission, so to speak, for a few years until the kid is in school, likely, but if you have that excellence drive, it will come out again. Maybe in the same career, maybe in something else. That's one thing younger people often don't get. Life takes you weird places, and it's becoming increasingly rare to lock into one career path. Most people jump around to several in their life nowadays.

tl;dr
It's not an all or nothing thing. The kids kind of are, but after a certain point, five, six years, a new balance can be found. And what would show drive more than embracing that?
Thank you for such a kind and informative response, I do appreciate it. It is reassuring to know that it isn't an all or nothing sort of deal, and I could have a professional life outside of motherhood.

I've spent pretty much the last 10+ years straight grinding for the career that I have now, and I am the sort of neurotically ambitious person that goes a bit mad when she's not working maniacally on some crazy project. My work consumes my life and mind, and I know that my mental state suffers when I am not working in my field, which is what concerns me about pausing my career to be a mother. I'd give anything to not have to put my work on pause just to reproduce, but I guess we all have to play the cards that we are dealt. My grand hope is to find a man who could be the primary homemaker, but I doubt it. Maybe in another life I'll be born with testes and penis.
 
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Thank you for such a kind and informative response, I do appreciate it. I've spent pretty much the last 10+ years straight grinding for the career that I have now, and I am the sort of neurotically ambitious person that goes a bit mad when she's not working maniacally on some crazy project. My work consumes my life and mind, and I know that my mental state suffers when I am not working in my field, which is what concerns me about pausing my career to be a mother. I'd give anything to not have to put my work on pause just to reproduce, but I guess we all have to play the cards that we are dealt. My grand hope is to find a man who could be the primary homemaker, but I doubt it. Maybe in another life I'll be born with testes and penis.
But why though? I am a woman, but I have seen other people try to play this scenario out before and it has never worked. Men do not want to be housewives and women don't want to be breadwinners if both want children out of the relationship. To undermine this only breeds resentment.
 
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