Crime Gunman at a Texas elementary school kills 19 students and two adults before being fatally shot, officials say - yeehaw

(CNN)A suspect is in custody after a shooting incident at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, left at least two dead and injured 14 people, including students, authorities said.

The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District (UCISD) posted about an "active shooter" at Robb Elementary at 12:17 p.m. local time and said law enforcement was on site.

The suspect was taken into custody as of 1:06 p.m. local time, according to the Uvalde Police Department.
Two have died after the shooting at Robb Elementary School, a spokesperson from Uvalde Memorial Hospital told CNN.

The hospital received 13 children at their facility who were being treated for varying injuries, he said. Two children were transported to San Antonio and another is pending transfer, Tom Nordwick said.

Additionally, two patients were dead on arrival, he said. Nordwick was not sure of the ages of the two deceased. A man in his 40s was also being treated there, he said.

Nordwick did not have conditions on any of the victims.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting/index.html

 

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[Myrtle the Turtle]

1. A LOT OF THESE GUYS are mental health cases.
2. A LOT OF THESE GUYS are under the legal responsibility of a supervising adult....who is almost never held responsible.
3. A LOT OF THESE GUYS tell law enforcement (repeatedly) they are going to hurt some one.
4. A LOT OF THESE GUYS do lesser violence to people and are excused by law enforcement....because stopping those lesser crimes doesn't help their career metrics
5. THE MEDIA glories these guys.
6. THEY FEEL POWERLESS. And after shooting up a school/church/etc they feel like they have power. Like they matter.
7. A LOT OF THESE GUYS often lose a key caregiver before their violence escalates

Here are 7 vectors we should work on

Alot of them come from fucked up family homes. Abuse, drugs, violence, etc. Most violent offenders in prison have traumatic childhoods. Not saying that a kid from a broken home is gonna speg out and go on a spree but they are definitely desensitized to some aspects of life. Stability and structure from family or friends help even if its non-traditional.

 

[Meat Target]

There's roughly 400 million people in America, most of them are fine. Unfortunately, when you have that many people in a gigantic nation that's kinda like a federation of 50 separate countries, each with their own unique culture and makeup, and with all valuing personal responsibility and liberty, having the right to own guns enshrined in their Constitution, occasionally you'll get a few antisocial psychopaths doing horrible, evil things like this.

It sucks and I feel for anyone who lost a child to a complete scumbag like this, but it's not a fear 99% of the population will ever have to experience in their lifetime. And what's the alternative? For the government to forcibly confiscate every single legally owned gun? People who own guns legally aren't responsible for stuff like this, and it would curb nothing because there would still be all the guns owned illegally. Not to mention, having 2 gigantic borders where guns could be smuggled into the country for anyone willing to take the risk.

Drugs are illegal and profitable, they manage to make it in to the country every day. If guns became this illegal, profitable trade, they'd find a way in as well.

Where did you say you're from? Australia? Whats Australia got, maybe 20 million people? Just the state of Texas has a larger population than your entire country. It's a lot easier for a government to confiscate guns from an island nation where they have a lot more control over what enters the country, from such a small population than it ever would be to do anything like that in even a small portion of the humongous United States. Plus, did Australia have gun ownership as part of their Constitution? Idk, but I'm guessing it didn't. It's not even remotely comparable to anything that could be done in the United States to whatever was done in your small country, locked off by the ocean, with such a low population.

And besides, even with horrible things like this happening once in awhile (but still way too much lately), it still doesn't effect many people in the grand scheme of things. It sucks, but it's one of the consequences of living in such a large, populous nation who's entire existence is committed to the personal liberties of its citizens. And I think when push comes to shove, most people would rather the populace be armed in the face of a tyrannical power taking over, to keep those government bitches on their toes.

The media misrepresents how many people die from these horrifying events such as school shootings by bringing up all gun-releated death stats, which is in the tens of thousands, instead of around 702 (with 2844 injuries) and 22 from school shootings, stated in that same article

Tens of millions of American gun owners did nothing wrong today.

 

[Madgneto Was Right]

The implications of what you're suggesting is faggot shit unto itself, we already know what happens when you get rid of all the guns. The scum switch to knives instead. Just ask the U.K.

You'll have to ban the sticks and stones soon enough.

The implication being what?
I'll imply you are a fearmongering fag if you like, or are you Carnac the Magnificent to guess what my own beliefs about guns are?

Guess again, not because I support the idea of having a discussion does it mean that I would support going the UK route. Crime will keep existing no matter the tools used, but the crimes are not going to be comparable on their dimensions. That I recall the only mass knifing incident in the UK was the one from 2017 where 6-10 people were killed.
Since 2017 how many random mass shootings have occurred on the US for comparison?

And still I don't advocate banning guns, but I do scoff at the retarded reticence to discuss how the worship-like consumerism that extends to guns is not mixing well with a generations that are increasingly more detached from reality. We don't have to be divided into two binary path of retardation on the issue even if useful idiots on both sides and their respective political corporate owners are telling us we have to.

If the "marketplace of ideas" which arises from free discussion must be sacrificed even further, so idiots can have access to 10 varieties of weapons, then the country can sink into the ocean for all I care. Guns may be the tools that helped preserve a certain level freedom for the US, but is plain lunacy to me to put the tool in the golden pedestal, and discard what are more essential ideals. Golden Calf vibes and all that.

If people don't like weapon bans being discussed as solution then in these cases, then counter them by bringing coherent plans of action instead of just alluding towards mental health without proposing a betterment of the current system, or blaming it on music, or whatever else is politically convenient.

 

[zionlion1488]

Deinstitutionalization and its consequences have been a disaster for the United States.

There are so many examples of people causing trouble nowadays who would have been killed or locked away in a loony bin for life years ago. All of that propaganda about shock therapy and the inhumane treatment at insane asylums was just an excuse to provide tax cuts while also decrease stability for all of us poors.

 

[garum expert]

There are 13.4 firearm deaths/100,000 population and 12.4 motor vehicle deaths/100,000 population, so all our traffic laws, licensing requirements, and technological advancements have made motor vehicles just slightly safer than firearms. If you exclude firearm suicides, guns might even be safer than cars. But overdoses are deadlier than firearms and motor vehicles combined. Poisons are even deadlier than that. So why don't we see a national campaign to regulate assault poisons and high capacity poison containers? Because humans are bad at judging risk. We evolved to be afraid of threats we can see, and we see things on TV, so we're afraid of them. The media doesn't drone on endlessly about the poisoning epidemic or the OD epidemic or the car accident epidemic so we don't consider those equally or more risky, even though they are.

FastStats

FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.

www.cdc.gov

In 2019 there were 14,414 homicides due to discharge of a firearm and 23,941 suicides by firearm. The number of firearm homicides is virtually identical to the number of deaths caused by malignant neoplasms of kidney and renal pelvis. Do you see Biden giving speeches about malignant neoplasms of kidney and renal pelvis? Are there politicians running on a platform of ending malignant neoplasms of kidney and renal pelvis? Are there Federal agencies devoted to controlling malignant neoplasms of kidney and renal pelvis? Have you even heard of the neoplasms of kidney and renal pelvis crisis? If you are not concerned about 14,000 deaths to malignant neoplasms of kidney and renal pelvis, why should you be concerned about the same number of firearm homicides?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr70/nvsr70-08-508.pdf

I appreciate the insane effort-posting but I was saying that safety is legislated often, like with road rules, without seriously fucking peoples rights. Stay in the left lane, traffic lights, don't go to fast, no shouting 'fire' when there isn't one, 2 packets of painkiller limit so the next person can have some too during a shortage. I'm not a full on libertarian so yeah I'm in favour of a little bit of government. I've said tho, if I was an American I would absolutely own guns. However, imagining suddenly having no proper gun control in our countries worries the non-burger.

 

[latter day taint]

1. A LOT OF THESE GUYS are mental health cases.
2. A LOT OF THESE GUYS are under the legal responsibility of a supervising adult....who is almost never held responsible.
3. A LOT OF THESE GUYS tell law enforcement (repeatedly) they are going to hurt some one.
4. A LOT OF THESE GUYS do lesser violence to people and are excused by law enforcement....because stopping those lesser crimes doesn't help their career metrics
5. THE MEDIA glories these guys.
6. THEY FEEL POWERLESS. And after shooting up a school/church/etc they feel like they have power. Like they matter.
7. A LOT OF THESE GUYS often lose a key caregiver before their violence escalates

Here are 7 vectors we should work on

How many of these stories have we seen on the last year alone that had glaring red flags that were ignored by parents/schools/law enforcement?

People are perfectly happy to ignore these problems and this is the result.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Alot of them come from fucked up family homes. Abuse, drugs, violence, etc. Most violent offenders in prison have traumatic childhoods. Not saying that a kid from a broken home is gonna speg out and go on a spree but they are definitely desensitized to some aspects of life. Stability and structure from family or friends help even if its non-traditional.

And the cops don't have the resources to deal with that.
Nor the training.
Nor the skills.
Nor does the government want them to do it.
Nor do voters

 

[Nurse Ratchet]

I know reports are still all over the place, but if this one is to be believed, the grandmother has now died.

Fake news, looks like. At least for now.[/sneed]

 

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[Manwithn0n0men]

How many of these stories have we seen on the last year alone that had glaring red flags that were ignored by parents/schools/law enforcement?

People are perfectly happy to ignore these problems and this is the result.

Our culture is weak and corrupt.

We need to fix that

 

[edgymovies]

I can tell you from personal knowledge of shitty neighborhoods that this isn't true where I live. All of the schools that I personally know have metal detectors are in ghettos/slums. Not saying you're wrong, it's just not the case where I'm from.

Yeah this has been my experience as well. The big schools in the shitty neighborhoods have metal detectors. I went to a nice private school in a nice neighborhood and we did not have metal detectors or armed police... because we didn't have a gang problem. But i'm sure the other dude was probably right that there are some schools that probably could use those things and don't have the money.

 

[garum expert]

Yes, most leftists here are self aware. But it is important to note the typical average Twitter leftist likewise does not have the ability to feel emotion. At best, they get a cunning satisfaction from what they perceive as Machiavellian maneuvering. Remember how little they emoted and grieved for the victims of Wakeusha, or any other random black nationalist violence. It’s not that they have selective outrage, it’s that their brains are miswired and they have lost the ability to feel emotion completely. Richard Blumenthal is case in point on this.

This is important to understand because the average person, especially the average conservative still has not picked up on this, so dealing with this is going to be quite challenging.

Typical twitter slacktivist leftists would not come here to debate.

 

[Wuornos]

You are correct. I read some time ago that there is a copycat effect causing mass shootings and suicides. It's related to rapes too. I read it in the context of mentioning that when some violent death of a woman happens, feminist morons make a big scandal out of it and then more happen. Same thing.

Man kills children. Women to blame. Nothing is ever your fault? Is it, pig?

Child rape, war, genocide, terrorism, etc., were all committed by males. They have destroyed EVERY civilization in history due to their greed and incompetence. Therefore, it should be MANDATORY to perform, what I like to call, VERY late term abortions of post birth males for the greater good.

Women, don't bother risking your life in agonising childbirth just for these ungrateful PIGS to shit on you. Let men die out so the NEW WORLD ORDER can begin.

 

[Meat Target]

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Says the party that enthusiastically supports the dismemberment of children in the name of Moloch/muh healthcare/muh wamyn's rights.

 

[KEKMUHLORD]

People say the debates on the farms are useless. Maybe. But I enjoy them.

It is always nice to see a bunch of different opinions being expressed as opposed to Twitter and Reddit. I also enjoy the info that gets dropped.

With that being said, fuck this piece of shit and I hope he is burning in worst part of hell.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Of course, he's blaming open carry. Open carry isn't used by mass shooters/criminals, and rarely results in incidents that make the news.

It's all so tiresome.

The tiresome part to me is that like every issue in the modern world we can't actually talk about the real reasons behind this issue. We don't get mass shootings because we don't have gun control, we get mass shootings because we live in a fucked up sick society where crazy mexican troons who larp as gangsters are allowed to have their delusions fed. We get mass shootings because people feel hopeless and like there's nothing good to look forward to because there isn't and some of these people are going to be crazy enough to go shoot people. Kids in America used to bring their rifles to school and put them in their locker so they could go to their after-school shooting clubs and no one got shot because the society wasn't totally fucked up and unnatural.

But no one in power is going to address those issues, we're just gonna pretend like if we ban AR-15's people won't feel like killing people anymore and it will just keep going on and on until America collapses.

 

[CarlosDanger]

This would be a good topic for deep thoughts, but besides a bunch of bullshit that you could think up to make yourself "feel safer", adding back constitutional carry or concealed carry (even if you don't roll back any other gun laws you have) and having armed security (although there is the unfortunate (or fortunate?) fact that the overwhelming majority of these units would never be "engaged" in their entire life of being assigned to protect a school, church, or other location) are the best ways to directly counter these problems, especially short-term, over the next decade or two.

If you want to try to figure out how to fix what's wrong with society that is radicalizing these people, I honestly can't think of anything. Despite the media sensationalist bias that gravitates towards these events, they (and the shooters) make up a tiny microscopic portion of all people in the world, so i'm weary of making blanket statements about how pop culture is nowadays and about what aspects need to be rolled back. Of course, none of them would give you a truthful answer as to why they decided they would do this. And there are so many things about society, pop culture, the media, that changed between April 19 1999 and nowadays, good luck identifying exactly what is wrong with how we are nowadays.

However, I would guess that the status applied to people such as the unabomber (for the contents of his manifesto) by the media and ordinary people is an interesting topic to address.

And all this isn't taking into account how many laws this prick broke today doing what he did. No amount of laws on the book are going to stop someone who is hellbent on killing people, especially defenseless children or grocery shoppers. We keep plastering "no gun zones" all over the fucking place, and it is just a big red bullseye for nutjobs because they know they will have free reign to do what they want until they run out of ammo, off themselves, or the police actually show up. I always carry with me, no matter where I go, even to my job. I don't care, I would rather go down on my own two feet trying to protect myself or to protect innocent people than to be an unarmed target for lowlifes like this.

 

[CarlosDanger]

People say the debates on the farms are useless. Maybe. But I enjoy them.

It is always nice to see a bunch of different opinions being expressed as opposed to Twitter and Reddit. I also enjoy the info that gets dropped.

With that being said, fuck this piece of shit and I hope he is burning in worst part of hell.

It is the one place where you can actually debate like this, if this were Reddit or Twitter, half of us would have been banned for defending gun rights.

 

[Michael_Jordan_Peterson]

Considering there's a lot of back and forth on this topic, and the last shooting; I do have one question. What do you guys think is a reasonable approach from a legislation standpoint, to stop this kind of shit?

It's pretty clear at this point that schools and shopping centers are being targeted due to low (if any at all) security/threat level. I know the left will freak out at mention of this, but I honestly don't see how anyone can argue about teachers being trained with sidearm and being able to conceal/carry. It could be on a volunteer basis, and to be blunt; all its going to take is one would be shooter getting popped in the fucking head by the gym teacher for them (the left) to shut the fuck up about it. Nobody would be forced to carry, it could be an entirely volunteer program. For those that volunteer, training could be issued by the schools police liason or a state run program by the state troopers. At this point, something has to be done.

Unless you're leaning towards this being a glowop, I can't argue with you. I'm not saying you're right or wrong; just that you can't argue solutions to a conspiracy barring no damning evidence is presented. It's just conjecture at this point in time.

Impartial non partisan. But this just feels like a slippery slope. Wait until a teacher shoots a kid who was unarmed and now a bunch of thuggish kids hate teachers.
We just need to start holding the media and politicians accountable if you know what I mean