Lesbian General Thread for True & Honest Women who love True & Honest Women - (Lolfag) Media, memes, discussion & more

Imagine knowing kiwi farms users irl and/or dating them. This should not sound as appealing as it should, the absolute state of wlw spaces.
How do I get a gf who isn't fat, sjw, weeb, or crazy
My shitty idea is organizing a group around a feminine-aligned interest that takes effort to partake in (Maybe a dance group? Sewing up clothes? idk the hollywood sewing circles were a thing). Most likely you might just make a bunch of friends instead, but there may be some lovely lady with her head on right.
 
Disclaimer: I am a male, so I do not mean to intrude, but I have a question for you guys. I had a "lipstick lesbian" friend of mine go nuts and trooned out, the whole nine yards.

Anyway, I know that troons are frequently barging in to lesbian circles, but because of the high rate at which lesbians are trooning out, is it also becoming increasingly more difficult for lesbians to form stable relationships? Do you have to constantly worry that your partner is going to jump on the troon train and start taking HRT? What are lesbians doing in response to try and screen partners who might do this in the future?

Looking at what happened to my friend from college, I imagine it must be even more devastating for people you are romantically involved with.
I'm still trying to get better myself, but I don't mind getting rather emotionally intimate with FTMs/NBs, I'm pretty sociable and I've opened up to them about my experiences that lead me to develop GD and my subsequent healing as a woman, and they've related a lot to what I've said, sayng that their transition was because of [le gay woman in conservative catholic culture that somehow manages to hate trannies less] as well. This is going to sound a little trite, but I feel like we could all do some healing together as people and end up as proud, stable women that would make our forebears proud. That said.. it's hard to date people like that, when someone is that much of a neurotic mess it can be hard to watch, and harder to help. I don't date for obvious reasons of trying to stop being a basket case, but unfortunately, even if I were dating, not many options are to be had, most women my age with my interests seem to have some kind of unhealed trauma from misogyny that leads them to identify as nonbinary.


I have first-hand experience with this: Emotional, physical, and psychological abuse at the hands of family and friends for the crime of being not only a woman and a gay human, but a gay woman, is the single best indicator of whether someone will transition. Not all traumatised lesbians/bi girls transition, but if they've had it shoved down their throats that they have to perform extreme femininity and heterosexuality in order to stay safe, they'll seek an out pretty quick. Of course, I don't mean to diminish the real struggles that men have with a lack of empathy towards their emotions and humanity by society, restrictive ideas of masculinity, feeling stuck in the role of being the breadwinner when one might rather be a home maker and the primary rock for the children, the expectation for men to stifle their emotions when this only causes psychological hurt for them and their loved ones, and other things, I have good male friends who open my eyes and I've come to see that life can be just as brutal and crushing for the other side. I am only trying to explain the thought process of a loony troon.

It's kind of like you're asking "would I worry about my hypothetical partner self-harming?", when you ask if I worry if they'd go on HRT. Mentally ill women with unresolved childhood issues go on HRT, if your partner isn't super fucked in the head, she won't. Like another said, you can usually sniff out mental illness pretty easily.

If you love and support her and tell her that she doesn't have to shave, have long hair, wear a bra, wear a soul-crushing costume, in order to be safe and a woman, she won't transition. Unless it's for a fetish, transitioning is a coping mechanism that is a very extreme form of dissociation. I was more accepted as a tranny than as a gay woman, which makes me sad. I wish more women weren't being forced to transition due to childhood abuse, homophobia, and restrictive gender roles, and this transsexuality business just enforces more old-fashioned gender stereotypes. Gender dysphoria is a real mental illness, arguably some subsect of BDD (a "child" illness itself of OCD, which comes from anxiety and trauma) but the treatment isn't eccentric body mods, it's self-love and gentleness.

I really hope your friend gets better, it's a terrible thing to be so traumatised, self-hating, and disconnected from one's own body that one can't even recognise their sex as their own.


My girlfriend and I at one point were some sort of agender/demigirl or whatever dumb shit. We grew out of it eventually. The three female/female couples our age that I know of - two of them have a "partner" or "boifriend" instead of a normal gf. The third one only started seeing each other so idk much yet. Possibly normies.
>two gay women
>boyfriend
This isn't homophobic 1950s NYC anymore, butches don't need to pretend to be men to avoid getting raped and beaten. ffs, all this gender shit is killing the butch populations like crack and black neighbourhoods.

Apologies for the blogpost, I ramble when I care about the subject
Edit: I cannot reply to @Apis mellifera directly in this thread, and I do not know why.

I apologize for the lag in getting back to you, but said friend got her rather large breasts cut off a year after she suddenly decided she was "trans" when she was a sophomore and then dropped out of college during her junior year in 2006 to get a vaginectomy and then a frankendick installed according to a mutual friend of ours at the time and we were both horrified at how unstable and neurotic she had become since she started transitioning, which led to the textbook conclusion on our part that she was not "trans" at all, but suffering from some deeper issue.

The current trans-promoting conventional wisdom in both the mental health and plastic surgery sectors will only encourage said self-destructive trooning out rather than dare look at the root cause of the problem. Apparently, it is better for people to carve themselves up and take various experimental endocrine treatments rather than trying to unpack their insecurities as said professionals do not want to be harassed for being "transphobic". Plus, I am sure that there is a lot of money to be made installing deformed skin-sausages and rotting stench trenches on troons and treating the lifelong medical complications that inevitably result.

I stopped associating myself with my friend after she trooned out, as she would flip out in shouting fits over people over the weirdest things and refused to listen to anybody trying to calm her down. From what I know, she considered herself to be some sort of "feminist" and her main reason for trooning out was that she felt that she could never be taken seriously as a woman due to the patriarchy constantly holding girls and women back, and so becoming an FTM was the only way to escape it. It was a really fucked up worldview on her part.

This was somebody who used to act and dress very "fem" and she dated very "fem" women. I do not know what caused her to go nuts and I am still somewhat bitter over it, as if she got REAL therapy rather than tranny-propaganda, she could have been saved. When all was said and done, the HRT and the mastectomy just made her look like a woman with no breasts. What did she really accomplish other than destroying herself in the long run?


You're not intruding man, I actually think Q&A is wholesome and allowing people to ask one another weird or somewhat politically incorrect questions is often times the best way to genuinely learn something. This thread welcomes Q&A as well as carpet munchers.



Good choice. Did you want true history or did you want stuff written by lesbians about lesbians?

Here's my recs.

Nobuko Yoshiya

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A Taisho and Showa era author who introduced lesbianiam to Japan as a sisterly bond between women. Her books were immensely popular with teen girls and young women and they were recieved well by the Japanese public. Her stories were usually always tragic feels and not all are translated in English (there's one called husband's are useless lel). Her work directly inspired Shojou era manga and anime . The Monogatari series actually makes nods to her with "hanamonogatari" (flower stories) because that was a title of one of her books.
Here's a link to her books the art style of the time is really appealing to me for the title covers. If you want her semi-autobiography "two virgins in the attic" is a good one.

Others Ive read that have lesbianism in them is The color purple.

I don't read much fiction other than Historical novels or historical fiction. Or Japanese showa and taisho era/Japanese novels because I'm a Jap. I know a lot of lesbians like "Stone Butch Blues". I've never read it. but she's very agressive and never shys away from anti-semitism or homophobia etc. She also made people call her "she" allegedly so they had to come to terms that someone that masculine was a woman.

If you just want Sapphic Authors... Virginia Woolf is one. She was outly bisexual I think she might have been slightly more into women than she came off as but she needed her husband to publish books because women writing at the time was a scandalous notion. No company would publish her. A " a room of her own" is a very moving piece of hers in terms of women's rights. I think she feels differently from heterosexual women in terms of what it means to be female having large parts of her life without men (or in polyamorous relationships before they were cool).

Also if you read yaoi/BL fanfiction of any kind the chances you are reading something written by a woman who is likely gay or bisexual are exponential. Fujoshi was started in Japan by lesbian women because in yuri, men would sexualize it. A lot of yuri is written by men for men the same way a lot of lesbian porn is directed at men. So gay women made something through the female gaze entirely and men got big mad because they couldn't coom to it. If you look at the art, its clearly all allusions to woman-ness. Long fingers and bones. Blood is sexual in these types of things and a common theme because to women, it means life and fertility where to men it means death and decay. Thus a lot of blood shows up in BL mangas. I think a lot of western readers misinterpret this type of thing thinking they are trans men or very bad for "sexualizing" (charachter that isn't even real or boy band who gay baits for women INTENTIONALLY). They also have trouble understanding why a gay woman wouldn't want to watch yuri (it's because she feels objectified). So for this reason I consider all BL groups lesbian/bisexual female history and lesbian authors. It's women being horny and expressing their sexuality and I support this.
In that case, I have another question for everybody here...how much of the "lipstick lesbian/butch lesbian" dichotomy is real, and how much of it is perpetuated by male fetishists? Do most lesbians tend towards the "fem" or the "butch" end, or do most of you guys not really classify yourself as such and are largely indistinguishable from hetero women in demeanor and worldview?
 
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Firstly, don't worry about the lag, that is the miracle of desynchronous communication. I can't reply to your post either, must be some weird bug or something. Anyway, your friend isn't entirely wrong about girls and women being held back; though it can obviously be resisted and ignored when one is an adult, just as boys are often subjected programming that nigh-forces them to suppress all emotion besides anger, and teaches them that they have no inherent value as a human being beyond productivity and providing, girls are taught that their only value is being pretty, young, and fertile. In work and higher education, especially more male-dominated spheres, women are frequently dismissed as being weak and inferior, because they are feminine, and society as a whole has collectively brainwashed itself into believing that a woman's fertility is not a trait but instead the only trait she can possess. Even if a woman does not actually appear male, if she performs masculinity in the form of mannerisms, speech pattern, clothing, and grooming, she is more respected as a peer, similarly to how a male that presents himself more femininely is likely to be less respected, in certain fields. This is the advantage that is to be found in taking Testosterone as a female, or otherwise taking efforts to appear more masculine, because we, as a society, have not entirely progressed past the antiquated belief that masculine = competent and feminine = weak, stupid, and useless.

Of course, this is not to say that it is a bad thing to be a mother, or to be a work-oriented man, but life is more fulfilling when a human being is allowed to express themselves as they will, without having the stereotypes of either gender shoved down their throats from birth.

It takes effort to defy misogynistic cunts, and transitioning is an easy way to conform. Gender roles are tough and stifling for everyone involved, especially when trauma is acquired from being a gender non-conforming adolescent.

As an aside, having been on exogenous testosterone in the past myself, I can totally understand the appeal. It felt fucking awesome, I had so much more mental and physical energy, confidence, drive, and, interestingly, my visualisation and spatial reasoning was improved, which was useful for my line of work. Part of me misses it, but I know it wasn't healthy, emotionally or physically.
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On the butch/femme dichotomy, it really depends on the area you're in, and the age range. There will always be masculine GNC women who feel deeply uncomfortable with the gender stereotypes thrust upon them, and who avoid dressing femininely and having long hair, but I reckon women who were less exposed to sexism and old-fashioned gender roles are less likely to lean so hard into masculinity. While I am a bishit, I do consider myself butch, and I really only date(d) women, because most men are not feminine enough in their personality and presentation for me to be attracted to them. I like providing for people and buying them pretty things that I could never feel comfortable in, much less look good in, which is much harder to do for men when your fashion is just so lacking. As grating as the new nonbinary-genderqueer-98-genders LGBT movement is, at the very least I can hope that it will help to normalise femininity for men, and we can all be people first and foremost, our sexes secondary.
 
How do I get a gf who isn't fat, sjw, weeb, or crazy
Honestly every single quality woman I've ever met I have met outside the sphere of dating spaces. Usually it was within something social whether online or in real life.

Also if you want to knock out at least the first two don't date westerners.
 
My shitty idea is organizing a group around a feminine-aligned interest that takes effort to partake in (Maybe a dance group? Sewing up clothes? idk the hollywood sewing circles were a thing). Most likely you might just make a bunch of friends instead, but there may be some lovely lady with her head on right.
Latin dances are generally a green light. Salsa, Bachata, Zouk, Kizomba (well I think the latter two are technically African), etc.

Man leads, woman follows, that's just the way they are. So the more annoying types tend to stay away from them. They're also difficult enough that incels get frustrated and drop out if they're just there trying to pick up women. I usually go to intermediate Salsa classes and if a woman wants to dance lead then 100% she's a lesbian. Bachata's a bit easier though if you didn't grow up listening to Latin music (Salsa's steps are 1 2 3 - 5 6 7 - or - 2 3 4 - 6 7 8 in the Cuban variation, Bachata's just 1 2 3 *4* 5 6 7 *8*)

Swing is infested with troons though do not do that.
 
FTM or MTF? I'm obviously biased, but I find the FTMs more tolerable and pitiable.
Both! I don't really mind FTMs either but it's kinda hilarious when they drop their voice a couple registers looking like they just stole Peewee Herman's clothes and ask you to Lindy Hop.

All the weirdos seem to stay away from Latin dances.
 
Lesbians are great gym buddies.

I feel like most dykes are in decent shape. When you are attracted to other women, you have a pretty good mind's eye of what one should look like to be attractive, and you often apply it to yourself. You tone your stomach because you think tight tummys are hot, you work on your thighs because you like them a certain way, and you try to stay slim because you like slender chicks. But then you have the dykes who get fat and cover themselves with hideous tattoos, and then are shocked when they can't find a cute girlfriend... not sure what they were thinking.
 
I feel like most dykes are in decent shape. When you are attracted to other women, you have a pretty good mind's eye of what one should look like to be attractive, and you often apply it to yourself. You tone your stomach because you think tight tummys are hot, you work on your thighs because you like them a certain way, and you try to stay slim because you like slender chicks. But then you have the dykes who get fat and cover themselves with hideous tattoos, and then are shocked when they can't find a cute girlfriend... not sure what they were thinking.
I like muscle women and I'm straight. Lesbians are just great teachers for literally anything they focus on.
 
There a lot of muscular dykes out there. Some of them do it because they hate men and want to be able to dominate them if the time comes.
I like the challenge they want to pose. I'm also in no way peak physical form but I'm getting there. Fun story, I met this Lesbian mechanic who taught me how to fix my truck when I did my dumb things as my dum dum brain likes. Now I'm interested in cars because I like making shit that's totally unrelated form into one masterful clusterfuck of a machine.
 
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