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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Don't go too far out on that limb.
What if Congress overrides him on that issue? This isn't a martial law situation where his word is final.
 

Same, good, bad, no present danger that Ukrainian forces in Lyschansk and Sievierodonetsk will be surrounded.

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Ukraine has decided to bring the T-84 Oplot back into service. I thought there was maybe only two of this export version of the T-80 in service (but instead five), but various tanks left at Desna training ground are being brought back into service. The account doesn't think this is a great idea for while the tanks have fine capabilities, they proved too expensive to operate.

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While the heroes of Azov are prisoners in very uncertain and precarious circumstances, although co-founder did manage to escape, this will serve as a tribute to their bravery and stalwartness.

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Macron the midget happy to find Scholz is even shorter than himself, who just generally looks pleased with himself for playing both sides, and Marcon appears to be again in the business of getting another country to surrender.

supermarket as morgue in Mariupol and brave resistance in Donbas in Daily Mail article
 
No, MSN News.

don't be a fag, post some links, I don't browse MSN.

Also, those who come to fight over their convictions are volunteers. The Georgian volunteers who came to help Ukraine in 2014 are well remembered and appreciated. If that burger dude, is really dead, he will have nothing less than gratitude of Ukrainian people and his life will be remembered as of fallen hero. TN is a great state, with a lot of freedom loving, Christian people.

... unlike RF Rosguardia who refused to return to Ukraine over shitty payout:


Moscow Times reports 11% raise on tariffs since RF RR system is suffering fin losses. This means cost of food will go up even more.



I see this as general tendency in RF that many news outlets hint to Russians that shit isn't all peachy, without squarely pointing at the war, anyone with two brain cells can figure out why.

Time isn't on RF side. Ukraine suffers losses, no question about it, but they are in the corner and no way to save their ass, never mind face. Russians can pull back, they are the only one with that option.

I see more shit like this poping up, this is far greater danger than military losses or few towns taken/lost. This represent growing discontent with the war in Russia:

Our countryman ... died 5th of May .... Enough!, on his birthday, meeting with citizens who want to stop this lost war.

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Shit like this would not fly two mo ago, now I see one here, another there posted, every day. It will get worse.
 
It was Pravada who first started spreading the story two weeks ago.

don't be a fag, post some links, I don't browse MSN.

Also, those who come to fight over their convictions are volunteers. The Georgian volunteers who came to help Ukraine in 2014 are well remembered and appreciated. If that burger dude, is really dead, he will have nothing less than gratitude of Ukrainian people and his life will be remembered as of fallen hero. TN is a great state, with a lot of freedom loving, Christian people.

... unlike RF Rosguardia who refused to return to Ukraine over shitty payout:


Moscow Times reports 11% raise on tariffs since RF RR system is suffering fin losses. This means cost of food will go up even more.



I see this as general tendency in RF that many news outlets hint to Russians that shit isn't all peachy, without squarely pointing at the war, anyone with two brain cells can figure out why.

Time isn't on RF side. Ukraine suffers losses, no question about it, but they are in the corner and no way to save their ass, never mind face. Russians can pull back, they are the only one with that option.

I see more shit like this poping up, this is far greater danger than military losses or few towns taken/lost. This represent growing discontent with the war in Russia:

Our countryman ... died 5th of May .... Enough!, on his birthday, meeting with citizens who want to stop this lost war.

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Shit like this would not fly two mo ago, now I see one here, another there posted, every day. It will get worse.
Do you two brainiacs really need a sarcasm tag? That was a joke at the expense of those who uncritically repost w*stoid NATO propaganda from such "reputable" outlets like The Daily Mail, MSN News, or the BBC.
 
What if Congress overrides him on that issue? This isn't a martial law situation where his word is final.
It's highly unlikely someone in Congress would sponsor a bill directing the President of the United States to gift a specific set of munitions and arms to a foreign county in a conflict we haven't deployed forces to. The separation of powers is clear; Congress may declare war, but it doesn't get to decide how to prosecute that war, much less direct how the Executive conducts foreign policy.

You should read up on the three branches of US government and what their duties are as spelled out in the US Constitution. The only branch whose word is final is SCOTUS and they have been consistent on what the President or Congress can and cannot do.
 
What if Congress overrides him on that issue? This isn't a martial law situation where his word is final.

There is no need, they simply hold back long range ammo. Some of that ammo can legit already pummel Crimea bridge and the rest of Crimea itself, not only deep into Russia. When burger tech goes, "deep" mean really deep. Will they though?

Joe is 100% on board with Putin taking a fall. Consider state of the Ukraine war Union address. Dims need a victory to show something to their voters for midterms. Putin's head on a stick will do nicely.


Do you two brainiacs really need a sarcasm tag? That was a joke at the expense of those who uncritically repost w*stoid NATO propaganda from such "reputable" outlets like The Daily Mail, MSN News, or the BBC.

I can't tell if you are retarded or you are retarded. Just use /sarc tag so the rest of people can gage your feeble attempt at sanity.
 
There is no need, they simply hold back long range ammo. Some of that ammo can legit already pummel Crimea bridge and the rest of Crimea itself, not only deep into Russia. When burger tech goes, "deep" mean really deep. Will they though?

Joe is 100% on board with Putin taking a fall. Consider state of the Ukraine war Union address. Dims need a victory to show something to their voters for midterms. Putin's head on a stick will do nicely.
You are delusional if you think the majority of the United States population gives two shits about Ukraine, Putin or Russia; they're too busy trying to decide if they will eat or put gas in their cars to get to work. If the Biden Administration continues to ignore inflation and supply issues they're done, and most Americans can't even tell you where Ukraine is and could care less about Putin if they even know who he is.
 
"I was only pretending to be retarded"
NATO policy on Ukraine in a nutshell, yes.

And now it's story time with Papa Kabungus.

Back in the old country, we have a tradition. Every 100 years or so, the enlightened Europeans gather an army together and march to the east, destroying everything in their way in a typical bloodthirsty European fashion. Every time it happens it's up to Russia to destroy the savage marauding hordes and put that army in the ground to fertilize rich Eastern European soil. The few enlightened Europeans that manage to survive are put to work rebuilding our cities, roads, and other infrastructure which they so carelessly destroyed.

This time the European devils tried to be sneaky and fooled the Ukrainians to think they have NATO's blessing, but after suffering massive casualties and realizing that no help would come from the enlightened Europeans, the betrayed Ukrainians have turned on their NATO masters and flooded Western Europe with refugees, arms, and NATO-trained militants who vowed to seek revenge on the enlightened Europeans who betrayed them and sent them to be slaughtered.

But surely it's all fiction, you say? Well, open a history book and check for yourself. Or wait 4-6 months and look our of your window.
 
Would not wish that piece of shit on my enemies. Can't pen the frontal arc of anything that matters and the gun beats the chassis like a redheaded step-child. 30mm bushmaster does the same job with less headaches and more ammo.
Well, its a good thing that Russia has already lost everything the MGS would struggle to pen then, wouldn't you agree? I don't think a T-62M would be much of a challenge for a 105mm, especially with modern sabots.
Would be interesting to see the return of the M163 VADS or something like it. From what I understand all the measures the US military is looking at for counter UAVs are junk.
Na, the Stryker SHORAD looks on paper to be a damn good unit. Got a lightweight 30mm that can handle drones, soft-skinned vehicles, and light fire support for infantry and its got missile capability for just about anything, from Hellfire to Sidewinders, and I am pretty sure Hydra pods. A nifty little Swiss Army Knife for the infantry. The Stryker may have the downside of being big... but that's an upside when it comes to being a gun carrier. I can't think of many wheeled vehicles that could haul a fucking 105mm tank cannon around, even as poorly as the Stryker does it.
 
But NATO propaganda said Ukraine absolutely can't lose. Does that mean... NATO lied?
Reports of Ukrainian troops refusing to fight and surrendering en masse, previously confined to Russian state television, have made their way to Western media. In a video uploaded to Telegram on May 24, members of the 115th Brigade 3rd Battalion, based in Severodonetsk, announced that they will no longer fight due to a lack of military equipment and proper leadership. “We are being sent to certain death,” said one of the volunteers, as per The Washington Post. “We are not alone like this, we are many.”
 
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It's highly unlikely someone in Congress would sponsor a bill directing the President of the United States to gift a specific set of munitions and arms to a foreign county in a conflict we haven't deployed forces to. The separation of powers is clear; Congress may declare war, but it doesn't get to decide how to prosecute that war, much less direct how the Executive conducts foreign policy.

You should read up on the three branches of US government and what their duties are as spelled out in the US Constitution. The only branch whose word is final is SCOTUS and they have been consistent on what the President or Congress can and cannot do.

It's just selling merchandise, not waging a war. If we had boots on the ground, Joe Biden would have the final say. We don't. So he's not the final word on this.

There is no need, they simply hold back long range ammo. Some of that ammo can legit already pummel Crimea bridge and the rest of Crimea itself, not only deep into Russia. When burger tech goes, "deep" mean really deep. Will they though?

Joe is 100% on board with Putin taking a fall. Consider state of the Ukraine war Union address. Dims need a victory to show something to their voters for midterms. Putin's head on a stick will do nicely.
True. Russia is losing enough that once Putin croaks, Biden can claim a share of the glory in taking him down.

But NATO propaganda said Ukraine absolutely can't lose. Does that mean... NATO lied?

Next time, post some real news:


Oh, and the last time Russia actually won a major war without America paying for it, they were under the rule of the Tzars, who had no shortage of allies in western Europe. Think Peter the Great waging war on Sweden with Poland as an ally. So don't mistake modern Russia for the Russia of the past. No Tsar would be as stupid as Putin is, and that's saying a lot, considering how many mistakes the Tsars made.
 
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Next time, post some real news:


Oh, and the last time Russia actually won a major war without America paying for it, they were under the rule of the Tzars, who had no shortage of allies in western Europe. Think Peter the Great waging war on Sweden with Poland as an ally. So don't mistake modern Russia for the Russia of the past. No Tsar would be as stupid as Putin is, and that's saying a lot, considering how many mistakes the Tsars made.
PBS is a state-sponsored American propaganda network, and that's an article from May 15th, much older than mine. Al Jazeera is another propaganda network sponsored by the Saudis. Try finding a non-propaganda source, genius.
 
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