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[gutters]

Pleasantly surprised to find this thread! Most of the gay woman discussion happens over on the other farms so seeing it on KF instead of lolcow was nice.

The whole butch vs lipstick lesbian sides of presentation have to be one of the more interesting discussions to me. On my end I prefer to maintain a very femme appearance, but my preference leans towards more masculine women (not manly in the slightest but shorter hair/mullets + more muscular body).

That specific combination leads to a fair bit of debate on the whole "lesbian couples try to mirror standard heterosexual couples in appearance" line of argument and I was just wondering if anyone had thoughts on it? I think it's a load of shit considering a butch and femme couple aren't the same as a male and female couple, but I'm always interested in hearing other gay women's opinions especially because it seems like such a sticking point.

 

[Hepativore]

Pretty much this thread:
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I take it that Homer is a reference to me.

 

[Shidoen]

I take it that Homer is a reference to me.

For all the men (me too) in this thread just think of it as a mashup of that scene and the homer clone episode.

 

[Hepativore]

We can be the bouncers here to throw out troons.

 

[Shidoen]

We can be the bouncers here to throw out troons.

I’ve done a job like that before, except it was more of a club and I had a baton.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I miss when there were no girls on the internet.

 

[Shidoen]

I miss when there were no girls on the internet.

There’s girls on the internet?

 

[Hepativore]

I’ve done a job like that before, except it was more of a club and I had a baton.

 

[Shidoen]

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I was just walking downtown one day and literally some guy asked if I wanted to make 400 bucks in one day and so I got a vest and a baton to just make sure trannies don’t enter the front doors.

 

[Apis mellifera]

That specific combination leads to a fair bit of debate on the whole "lesbian couples try to mirror standard heterosexual couples in appearance" line of argument and I was just wondering if anyone had thoughts on it? I think it's a load of shit considering a butch and femme couple aren't the same as a male and female couple, but I'm always interested in hearing other gay women's opinions especially because it seems like such a sticking point.

Butch/femme couples are absolutely nothing like heterosexual traditional couples, anyone who thinks this is delusional. Even the most butch and manly woman understands the shared anguish that comes from growing up female and magically transforming around the age of 13 from a regular human being to a sex object for strange men to oggle, grope, and catcall; a man, no matter how sympathetic and educated he is, can never, ever, ever intimately understand the effects that this truly has on a person's psyche. I don't know what "being a man" is like, but I am certain that it is not anything like being butch and struggling to reconcile a masculine personality with the demoralising societal pressures to perform femininity. When a butch woman stops stifling her masculinity, she is finally accepting herself as she is, and defining womanhood on her own terms, when a man is masculine in a relationship with a feminine woman, he is just playing the social role he was trained to play. I think that this difference, in which butchness is about self-acceptance in spite of social pressure, makes all the difference in relationships.

My goal in relationships with other women, platonic or romantic, is unravelling social conditioning and trauma, and finding a way to love oneself and fellow women in a way that is unconditional and not based on sex appeal or approval from strangers. I doubt most heterosexual men can say the same, and I believe that this is a key distinction.

 

[Shidoen]

Butch/femme couples are absolutely nothing like heterosexual traditional couples, anyone who thinks this is delusional. Even the most butch and manly woman understands the shared anguish that comes from growing up female and magically transforming around the age of 13 from a regular human being to a sex object for strange men to oggle, grope, and catcall; a man, no matter how sympathetic and educated he is, can never, ever, ever intimately understand the effects that this truly has on a person's psyche. I don't know what "being a man" is like, but I am certain that it is not anything like being butch and struggling to reconcile a masculine personality with the demoralising societal pressures to perform femininity. When a butch woman stops stifling her masculinity, she is finally accepting herself as she is, and defining womanhood on her own terms, when a man is masculine in a relationship with a feminine woman, he is just playing the social role he was trained to play. I think that this difference, in which butchness is about self-acceptance in spite of social pressure, makes all the difference in relationships.

My goal in relationships with other women, platonic or romantic, is unravelling social conditioning and trauma, and finding a way to love oneself and fellow women in a way that is unconditional and not based on sex appeal or approval from strangers. I doubt most heterosexual can say the same, and I believe that this is a key distinction.

I can’t because I’m an autistic retard but I see what you’re getting at. I’m lucky I only bled from fights and cuts in high school.

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

There’s girls on the internet?

We were always here. We either kept quiet, weren’t believed or asked to show our tits.

Not that much has changed really.

 

[Hepativore]

Butch/femme couples are absolutely nothing like heterosexual traditional couples, anyone who thinks this is delusional. Even the most butch and manly woman understands the shared anguish that comes from growing up female and magically transforming around the age of 13 from a regular human being to a sex object for strange men to oggle, grope, and catcall; a man, no matter how sympathetic and educated he is, can never, ever, ever intimately understand the effects that this truly has on a person's psyche. I don't know what "being a man" is like, but I am certain that it is not anything like being butch and struggling to reconcile a masculine personality with the demoralising societal pressures to perform femininity. When a butch woman stops stifling her masculinity, she is finally accepting herself as she is, and defining womanhood on her own terms, when a man is masculine in a relationship with a feminine woman, he is just playing the social role he was trained to play. I think that this difference, in which butchness is about self-acceptance in spite of social pressure, makes all the difference in relationships.

My goal in relationships with other women, platonic or romantic, is unravelling social conditioning and trauma, and finding a way to love oneself and fellow women in a way that is unconditional and not based on sex appeal or approval from strangers. I doubt most heterosexual men can say the same, and I believe that this is a key distinction.

I do not want to derail this thread...but...in the Losing People to Transgenderism thread, the biggest issue men face is the fact that when we enter our late teens, and become adults, we start to face a lot of messages and paranoia from people as there is a lot of social bias that boys and men are inherently violent monsters, I.e. we are stereotyped as being potential sex offenders, rapists, and domestic abusers by media sources and culture. Even the smallest things can set people off and a lot of men have difficulty coming to terms with the fact that because so many people are hypervigilant, we do things like avoid interacting with children, strangers, etc. as all it can take in some cases is a baseless accusation to turn everybody against you.

This is also a major reason why many males troons out to become MTFs to try and escape the "men are scary and evil!" stereotype.

 

[Shidoen]

I do not want to derail this thread...but...in the Losing People to Transgenderism thread, the biggest issue men face is the fact that when we enter our late teens, and become adults, we start to face a lot of messages and paranoia from people as there is a lot of social bias that boys and men are inherently violent monsters, I.e. we are stereotyped as being potential sex offenders, rapists, and domestic abusers by media sources and culture. Even the smallest things can set people off and a lot of men have difficulty coming to terms with the fact that because so many people are hypervigilant, we do things like avoid interacting with children, strangers, etc. as all it can take in some cases is a baseless accusation to turn everybody against you.

This is also a major reason why many males troons out to become MTFs to try and escape the "men are scary and evil!" stereotype.

Yeah because of a lot of issues and shit happening I had major anger problems not with my friends, but usually with random strangers. It also didn't help I was a white boi in a black majority school so the racism got into play harder than the sexism. I don't hold any grudges or try to start shit anymore because I was able to calm down.

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

I went through a phase in my teens where I’d have loved to be a man because I didn’t want to be gay. It’s really hard to accept yourself sometimes. I think a lot of the FtM have the same problem.

One way or the other, a lot of trooning could be avoided by learning to accept what you are/ignoring the sperging of retards telling you that you are something you are not.

Edit: spelling

 

[Shidoen]

I like girls who wear pretty underwear but all mine are really boring. What type do ya'll like on a lady?

Women who hunt animals and skin their hide for clothing are pretty hot.

 

[Apis mellifera]

I do not want to derail this thread...but...in the Losing People to Transgenderism thread, the biggest issue men face is the fact that when we enter our late teens, and become adults, we start to face a lot of messages and paranoia from people as there is a lot of social bias that boys and men are inherently violent monsters, I.e. we are stereotyped as being potential sex offenders, rapists, and domestic abusers by media sources and culture. Even the smallest things can set people off and a lot of men have difficulty coming to terms with the fact that because so many people are hypervigilant, we do things like avoid interacting with children, strangers, etc. as all it can take in some cases is a baseless accusation to turn everybody against you.

This is also a major reason why many males troons out to become MTFs to try and escape the "men are scary and evil!" stereotype.

You have my sympathies, it's always a real sad sight to see, a number of my friends have expressed similar sentiments. I don't know if you're aware, but most women are trained early on by their mothers, aunts, and sisters to be hypervigilant against the advances of men. Sexual predators and rapists can look identical to good, up-standing men such as (presumably) yourself, and the mechanical strength advantage men have over women is downright terrifying to grapple with. Ask any woman in your life, she'll probably have tales to tell you of catcalling at least, perhaps she was followed by a strange man, and it's likely she, or someone close to her, has been sexually assaulted or raped in her lifetime. I've experienced the latter, as have people close to me, the men who committed these acts were raised by morally decrepit fathers who didn't do their job to teach their sons that women are people just like they are, and that such an act is unacceptable. Until this behaviour stops being perpetuated generationally, women will always view men with some degree of suspicion, unfortunate as it is.

 

[Shidoen]

You have my sympathies, it's always a real sad sight to see, a number of my friends have expressed similar sentiments. I don't know if you're aware, but most women are trained early on by their mothers, aunts, and sisters to be hypervigilant against the advances of men. Sexual predators and rapists can look identical to good, up-standing men such as (presumably) yourself, and the mechanical strength advantage men have over women is downright terrifying to grapple with. Ask any woman in your life, she'll probably have tales to tell you of catcalling at least, perhaps she was followed by a strange man, and it's likely she, or someone close to her, has been sexually assaulted or raped in her lifetime. I've experienced the latter, as have people close to me, the men who committed these acts were raised by morally decrepit fathers who didn't do their job to teach their sons that women are people just like they are, and that such an act is unacceptable. Until this behaviour stops being perpetuated generationally, women will always view men with some degree of suspicion, unfortunate as it is.

Damn, I'm really sorry to hear that you experienced that. From what I can say is that anyone should always rely on their ability to Sense Danger, and never to fault someone for depending on their natural senses.

 

[Hepativore]

You have my sympathies, it's always a real sad sight to see, a number of my friends have expressed similar sentiments. I don't know if you're aware, but most women are trained early on by their mothers, aunts, and sisters to be hypervigilant against the advances of men. Sexual predators and rapists can look identical to good, up-standing men such as (presumably) yourself, and the mechanical strength advantage men have over women is downright terrifying to grapple with. Ask any woman in your life, she'll probably have tales to tell you of catcalling at least, perhaps she was followed by a strange man, and it's likely she, or someone close to her, has been sexually assaulted or raped in her lifetime. I've experienced the latter, as have people close to me, the men who committed these acts were raised by morally decrepit fathers who didn't do their job to teach their sons that women are people just like they are, and that such an act is unacceptable. Until this behaviour stops being perpetuated generationally, women will always view men with some degree of suspicion, unfortunate as it is.

Damn, I'm really sorry to hear that you experienced that. From what I can say is that anyone should always rely on their ability to Sense Danger, and never to fault someone for depending on their natural senses.

Also keep in mind, statistically-speaking, you are much more likely to be harmed or sexually assaulted by a friend or a relative rather than a complete stranger, as the former knows when to get you at your most vulnerable and how to manipulate you.

 

[gigantic]

That specific combination leads to a fair bit of debate on the whole "lesbian couples try to mirror standard heterosexual couples in appearance" line of argument and I was just wondering if anyone had thoughts on it? I think it's a load of shit considering a butch and femme couple aren't the same as a male and female couple, but I'm always interested in hearing other gay women's opinions especially because it seems like such a sticking point.

Does it? I could be wrong, but I think this is more of a discussion on the femme side of things. My understanding is that this topic originates in more academic circles, so it may be a matter of where you hang out.

Personally, I don't think people try to. It just happens. I think that generally butch/femme couples are different from heterosexual couples, but I also think that people put too much weight on the shared sex being the cause of those differences. To use Apis' example of becoming a sex object: I didn't have this experience growing up. I'm in my mid-20s and I can only think of 3 times I've been catcalled, with "Smile!" being the worst of it. While I do (think I) get it, I seriously doubt I have the same visceral understanding that's being expected here.

...when a man is masculine in a relationship with a feminine woman, he is just playing the social role he was trained to play.

^^ I think that this is the main difference. I hear so many stories about relationships where the people went "Dating issues? Let's get married!" "Marriage issues? Let's have a baby!" or they're sticking with someone awful. These decisions make no sense, but they're shockingly common, and I think it has a lot to do with people following a social script. There's a clear idea of what a traditional straight couple is supposed to do: date, marry, have babies, stay loyal. The man works, the woman housekeeps.

This script doesn't exist for nontraditional couples. If I date a woman, then there isn't an "obvious" role for each of us to fall into. You have to identify your expectations and discuss them. I think that this interrogation of wants is what makes the big difference. You could have a similar relationship to heterosexual couples, but you're not going to stumble into something stifling the same way they might.