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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Hmmm... based on what I'm seeing, we're probably going to see a continued stalemate for the foreseeable future. I think the Ukrainians have the edge technologically, especially as aid from the west continues to pour in, but they look like they're low on manpower so they're going to struggle with a counter-offensive unless more nations join the war effort officially. The Russians have plenty of manpower but are short on technology at the moment.

I think the key to this war is the Russian artillery. If the Ukrainians can start inflicting significant Russian artillery losses, the war may become unsustainable for the Russians. If the Russians can protect their artillery while their war economy ramps up and they get more technology/supplies to the front, they' may be able to bleed the Ukrainians dry from a distance. The only way things turn around for Ukraine at that point is if the west joins the war in earnest, then it all stops mattering because what happens on the other side of the world is irrelevant when the soonest we'll hear about it is by messenger pigeon (sure Russian reliability is crap but they have 6000 chances to end the Internet, Stock Exchange, and every bank account in America permanently. That's a roulette game I'm not looking forward to playing.
 
I see 3th worlders/Russniggers/spics/subhumans/white Ameriniggers/schizos/Trumpcucks rotating again in the thread

Why do people cheerlead so fcking much for their respective side FOR FREE? I just want my news and some armchair discussions. Overall I started to like Ukie shills more since they are just deluded sometims while Russhills constantly throw around buzzwords and whatever some brainlet dispora Vatnigger posted on Telegram. Notice how these brainlets completly went silent on that biolab story.

I guess Ukraine profits more from the Infowar since their army is more transparent while we get only news from the Russian side via the Donbabweans who just post minor retarded stuff like empty NLAW tubes or DEAD HATO agents. But that also proofs that LRP is just a meatshield who's only job is to die for absolutely nothing.

I can literally imagine how these Krokodil subhumans stand around one single corpse of an American volunteer and celebrate it like they just conquered Berlin again.
How to explain it to someone not from the region... You ever get a desire to lean out of your window and call your neighbor a nigger? Well we do.
 
Except it's backed up by data and by actual evidence, not assumptions of Russian strength. If you actually look at the reports of Russia's losses, you'd know. This isn't a very nuanced conflict; it's basically the Russian boomer class pissing away their society's youth and military power to relive long-lost glories, and they're losing, to the point where they have to raise the combat age and take out mothballed tanks to combat. If the Russians were as strong as they were said to be, Kiev would have fallen by now.


It depends, because the Ukrainians are more focused on defending, but we may see that sometime in the future.
I'm not "assuming" anything about Russian strength. Open source collaborative tracking of materiel losses shows plenty of losses on both sides, but significantly less losses than both sides claim they've inflicted on the other. Only 1 T-90M has confirmed to have been destroyed (intentionally destroyed by the Russians after it was disabled to prevent Ukrainian forces from examining it or capturing it) out of the 10 deployed so far, and an entire platoon of brand new terminator close quarter IFVs is confirmed to be participating in the Severodonetsk offensive. I'm using tanks as an example, but this is true for other types of Russian heavy equipment. The idea that they've chewed through all of their best materiel seems to be completely false. In fact, a lot of their best stuff (like those T-90Ms and terminators) seems to be held in reserve and haven't even seen any combat up until very recently.
 
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Hmmm... based on what I'm seeing, we're probably going to see a continued stalemate for the foreseeable future. I think the Ukrainians have the edge technologically, especially as aid from the west continues to pour in, but they look like they're low on manpower so they're going to struggle with a counter-offensive unless more nations join the war effort officially. The Russians have plenty of manpower but are short on technology at the moment.

I think the key to this war is the Russian artillery. If the Ukrainians can start inflicting significant Russian artillery losses, the war may become unsustainable for the Russians. If the Russians can protect their artillery while their war economy ramps up and they get more technology/supplies to the front, they' may be able to bleed the Ukrainians dry from a distance. The only way things turn around for Ukraine at that point is if the west joins the war in earnest, then it all stops mattering because what happens on the other side of the world is irrelevant when the soonest we'll hear about it is by messenger pigeon (sure Russian reliability is crap but they have 6000 chances to end the Internet, Stock Exchange, and every bank account in America permanently. That's a roulette game I'm not looking forward to playing.
You realize the west has nukes too, right?
You realize how Mutually Assured Destruction works, right?
 

As they started to cross the border from Poland into Ukraine, Posobiec saw "small villages with defensive outposts, barricades, volunteers" standing guard, armed with AK-47s, "sometimes wearing a uniform, sometimes wearing kind of makeshift uniforms."
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And there were "soldiers everywhere," on the train, running customs checkpoints. "Soldiers were ubiquitous throughout the entire time that we traveled in and out of Ukraine," he reported.

Soldiers asked for passports aboard the train, and when a Russian showed his passport, soldiers removed him from the car in which Posobiec was traveling, and was not seen again after that.

Posobiec was surprised to find that the trains were running in western Ukraine all the way to the border with Russia. Given reporting in the US, it's hard to get an understanding of the existing infrastructure in the country since the invasion. He details the humanitarian supply lines as a "hodgepodge" and "patchwork" of efforts.
 
I'm not "assuming" anything about Russian strength. Open source collaborative tracking of material losses shows plenty of losses on both sides, but significantly less losses than both sides claim they've inflicted on the other. Only 1 T-90M has confirmed to have been destroyed (intentionally destroyed by the Russians after it was disabled to prevent Ukrainian forces from examining it or capturing it) out of the 10 deployed so far, and an entire platoon of brand new terminator close quarter IFVs is confirmed to be participating in the Severodonetsk offensive. I'm using tanks as an example, but this is true for other types of Russian heavy equipment. The idea that they've chewed through all of their best materiel seems to be completely false. In fact, a lot of their best stuff (like those T-90Ms and terminators) seems to be held in reserve and haven't even seen any combat up until very recently.
Care to name your sources? I've got more than a few:







Also, consider the fact that the yearly GDP of Russia barely comes close to the yearly GDP of New York State; a failing blue state that's seen better days. Combine that with the fact that there's a startling amount of corruption in the Russian military, and the fact that they're so strapped for armor, they're sending in older tanks which don't stand a ghost of a chance in the modern battlefield, and it's obvious that Russia has blown its load and is just making do with sub-standard units after losing so many tanks.
 
Care to name your sources? I've got more than a few:







Also, consider the fact that the yearly GDP of Russia barely comes close to the yearly GDP of New York State; a failing blue state that's seen better days. Combine that with the fact that there's a startling amount of corruption in the Russian military, and the fact that they're so strapped for armor, they're sending in older tanks which don't stand a ghost of a chance in the modern battlefield, and it's obvious that Russia has blown its load and is just making do with sub-standard units after losing so many tanks.
The Youtube video isn't a T-90M, it's a T-64BV. The T-90M's have been held back simply because there's maybe a battalion of them, if that, actually ready for combat at any given time. They're not very common. The russians have lost at least one we can confirm was a T-90M, but there's likely another one out there, considering the hundreds of tanks just too damn destroyed to tell what they are without digging through scrap metal for parts.
 
The Youtube video isn't a T-90M, it's a T-64BV. The T-90M's have been held back simply because there's maybe a battalion of them, if that, actually ready for combat at any given time. They're not very common. The russians have lost at least one we can confirm was a T-90M, but there's likely another one out there, considering the hundreds of tanks just too damn destroyed to tell what they are without digging through scrap metal for parts.
The point is, they can't have that many T-90Ms, because those things cost a pretty penny, and the whole of Russia barely makes enough money to get close to the GDP of New York State. I wouldn't be surprised if they, at most, have only a battalion of them, and many of them have been destroyed.
 
Care to name your sources? I've got more than a few:







Also, consider the fact that the yearly GDP of Russia barely comes close to the yearly GDP of New York State; a failing blue state that's seen better days. Combine that with the fact that there's a startling amount of corruption in the Russian military, and the fact that they're so strapped for armor, they're sending in older tanks which don't stand a ghost of a chance in the modern battlefield, and it's obvious that Russia has blown its load and is just making do with sub-standard units after losing so many tanks.
All three of the T-90M links you sent are about the same tank. In fact, that article who's headline also states that T-90s are being lost in "Big Numbers" is ALSO about that single T-90M that was lost. Wtf, man. This is what I've been trying to tell you, that they only have 1 T-90M confirmed lost. Again, we know at least 10 have been deployed and from the estimates I've seen, there were ~130 completed tanks at the start of the war. So Russia is down less than 1% of its T-90Ms, which are the newest tanks they have in significant quantity. They also had hundreds of less modern T-90s at the start of the war, only a few dozen of which have been confirmed lost, so again, they've lost only a small fraction. You should really take a look at confirmed casualty documentation rather than just google searching and copy-pastaing links that suit your narrative:
 
Shit, fucking Kherson? Isn't that place very important for the Russians in securing Crimea?
Yeah. Looks like the Ukrainians managed to break though some of the defensive lines there, might be trying to encircle the division moving towards the north. If they do, the Russians are FUCKED in that area.
 
All three of the T-90M links you sent are about the same tank. In fact, that article who's headline also states that T-90s are being lost in "Big Numbers" is ALSO about that single T-90M that was lost. Wtf, man. This is what I've been trying to tell you, that they only have 1 T-90M confirmed lost. Again, we know at least 10 have been deployed and from the estimates I've seen, there were ~130 completed tanks at the start of the war. So Russia is down less than 1% of its T-90Ms, which are the newest tanks they have in significant quantity. They also had hundreds of less modern T-90s at the start of the war, only a few dozen of which have been confirmed lost, so again, they've lost only a small fraction. You should really take a look at confirmed casualty documentation rather than just google searching and copy-pastaing links that suit your narrative:
And your articles are more accurate than mine because........why, again? Those sources of yours are hardly as valid as the more mainstream sources; one of them even claims that Islam is pro-life AND pro-choice, which is impossible.

If you look at the numbers lost, and the budget that Russia has, it's obvious that they've lost more than one T-90M, and they don't have that much of them around. Again, look at the national GDP of Russia, and ask yourself: is that capable of buying enough T-90Ms to turn the tide of the war? Or is that even enough to maintain a large tank force, alongside a modern air force, navy, and ground forces? Can they really afford all of that on the same budget as New York State? If that's the case, then by that logic, New York State would be capable of making enough T-90M tanks to supply to Ukraine, would it not?

 

Colonel from the press service of the Russian Ministry of Defence killed in Ukraine​


Colonel Vladimir Ivanov, a member of the Russian Defene Ministry's press service, was killed in fighting in Ukraine, investigators say. The information has been confirmed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Source: Mediazona investigation, Armed Forces Strategic Command

Details: Investigative journalists confirmed the colonel's death using the inheritance register, the Getcontact application [this application allows phone users to know a caller's ID even if the phone number is not saved in the phone book], and leaks from Russian databases.

According to the inheritance register, 41-year-old Ivanov died on 25 March – his death was officially confirmed.

The notary, who drew up the inheritance case, indicated the address of residence of the deceased: Moscow, 19 Znamenka Street. This is the main building of the Ministry of Defence – military unit 66524, Mediazona reports.

The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation has not publicly confirmed the death of a spokesman. However, the colonel's death was reported by state propagandists, who kept silent about the place of service of the deceased.

According to the Getcontact application, the colonel's phone number was recorded in the user's contact lists as "Vladimir Press Service of the Ministry of Defence, Volodia UPSI Ivanov [the abbreviation that is translated as Press and Information Office within the Defence Ministry], DIMK [the abbreviation that is translated as Department of Information and Mass Communications within the Defence Ministry] - Ivanov Vladimir Vasilevich, Ivanov Vladimir Press Service of the Russian Federation Armed Forces, V. V. (DIMK MORF) [Department of Information and Mass Communications within the Russian Defence Ministry] Ivanov."

According to sources from Russian databases, Ivanov was born in Rostov-on-Don and served in the headquarters of the Southern Military District before moving to Moscow

Background: On 29 May, The Armed Forces of Ukraine killed the company commander of the 106th Guards Airborne Division, Captain Aleksandr Vyguliar.
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this shit is bombshell. Conversation of two RF colonels are recorded from earlier in the war.


Then one of these colonels is dialed in by a journo who played back parts of the convo to him, then asking if he is willing to publicly say his views on Putin ... you can actually hear dude shitting pants.

Someone is getting a Polonium pill with a sideorder of Novichok for sure. The article goes into details of his family and relatives etc. a lot of them are in Ukraine too.


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Excerpts from the original convo, there is more in the article, solid gold shit, hopefully article comes out in English eventually:

– Обрати внимание, где этот Шойгу, его не видно и не слышно, потом вылезет же, мразь, б***ь. Вылезет же какая-то шл**бота вокруг него, бегают вот эти вот, на согнутых ногах, вот эти генеральчики, полковнички, лейтенантики…», – каже на перехопленні один з них.
– Генералов, н***й, пригласили всех туда. Б***ь, никто воевать не умеет, не хочет, все только, б***ь, бодро честь отдавать, больше н***я никого ничего не научили, б***ь, – відповідає йому інший.
«Потери страшные, парней наших, б***ь. И, ты знаешь, я эту военную немножко историю знаю, сравниваю, вот эта советско-финская война, 39-40-й год, б***ь, один в один, вообще как по шаблону, на**й, пошли», – каже Власов на перехопленні.
«Шойгу – гон***ище, б***ь, контрактников нет – конечно, откуда они будут, с*ка? Им платили по 30 тысяч зарплату, б***ь – откуда их набрать?»

«Наплодили целую плеяду лизоблюдов-у***нов. Вон этот Дворников, вообще, легенда по уе***ству. Конченый вообще, просто конченый. Это он какой-то сейчас вот придумал «антибендеровский бросок»... Ну, короче, это, вообще конченый, б***ь, безголовый идиот»,
– описує генерала Власов.
«Они хотят, чтобы пехота шла, б***ь, артиллерия работала, ё***ый в рот, еб***те на расстоянии, тратьте, н***й, эти бомбы, б***ь, их дох***я просто, кидайте их, н***й. Даже если не туда попали, б***ь, пусть начинают бояться, б***ь, еб***те по вокзалам, б***ь, еб***те по железным дорогам, н***й, еб***те».
«Должна, б***ь, в Киев в Верховную Раду прилететь ракета, б***ь. Всё, н***й. Почему не прилетела, б***ь? Почему не прилетела, б***ь? Я не понимаю, с*ка, ёб***й ты Путин, пи***ас, б***ь!

Pay attention where is that Shoihu, no one hears or sees him, then asshole come sout, blyat'. Some whores come out, run around him on bent knees, these little generals, colonels, leutenants.

Generals they invited there, fuck. Blyat', no one knows how to fight, doesn't want to, everyone, blyat', can only friskly salute, nothing else, blyat' they can do, blyat'.

Losses are terrible among our lads, blyat'. And you know, I know military history, comparing, to the soviet-finn war, 39-40, blyat', one to one, it's like a fucking template, we got fucked.

Shoigu - used condom, blyat', no contractors - of course, where would they come from, bitch. They were paid 30k salary, blyat', where can you find them?

Birthed a whole constellation of ass-lickers / clowns. This Dvornikov, legendary fuck-off. Total asshole, total. It's now he came out with his anti-Bandera charge ... total asshole, like, total, blyat', headleass idiot.

They want infantry to advance, blyat', artillery to do its job, fucken in mouth, fuck at the distance, waste these fucken bombs, blyat', we got assload of them, I say just fucking drop them for fucks sake. Even if its not on-target, blyat', let them fear, blyat', fuck railway stations, blyat', fuck railroads, fuck, fuck them all.

We need to send a rocket to Kiev's parliament, blyat'. That's fucking all. Why didn't we, blyat'? Why did we not, blyat'? I don't get it, bitch, you fucken faggot Putin, blyat'!
 

Exclusive: Yeltsin's son-in-law quits as Putin adviser -sources​


LONDON, May 30 (Reuters) - Valentin Yumashev, the son-in-law of former Russian leader Boris Yeltsin who helped Vladimir Putin come to power, has quit his role as a Kremlin adviser, two people familiar with Yumashev's thinking told Reuters.

Yumashev was an unpaid adviser with limited influence on Putin's decision-making, but his departure removes one of the last links inside Putin's administration to Yeltsin's rule, a period of liberal reforms and Russia's opening up towards the West.

Putin ordered his armed forces to attack Ukraine on Feb. 24 in an invasion that Western governments say is an act of unjustified aggression and which Moscow calls a "special operation" necessary to protect Russian-speakers in eastern Ukraine.

In March, Anatoly Chubais, another senior Yeltsin-era figure, left his role as Kremlin special envoy. read more This month, a diplomat in Russia's mission to the United Nations resigned over the war. read more

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Yumashev's leaving his adviser role, and did not answer a call to his mobile number. Yumashev did not respond to a request for comment sent by Reuters.

the family ties are very important in Russian elites, either by marriage or by early friendships, before you are made.

Ksenya Sobchak, for whose father Putin used to carry briefcase, seemingly lived large without any real jobs, but once war started, mo or two later ran to Israel.

Chubais, also one of the top Yeltsin crime family ran earlier and got Israeli citizenship.

And now Yumashev ...

I don't know, may there is so much winning and bright future prospects that force these fat rats to leave the ship ... 🤨
 
You realize the west has nukes too, right?
You realize how Mutually Assured Destruction works, right?
Yes. My point is the west has way more to lose in a nuclear war. Russia's entire economy is the size of Texas. When only a handful of nukes are required to delete the entire digital economy via geomagnetic storm, everyone loses but some players lose more than others. We *should* avoid backing Russia into a corner where how fucked they'll be by our nukes is worth how fucked we'll be.

In my opinion, the US, NATO, Ukraine, and Russia are all pants-shitting retarded for the constant escalation. Putin is the most at fault but the west has hardly helped the situation.
 
Yes. My point is the west has way more to lose in a nuclear war. Russia's entire economy is the size of Texas. When only a handful of nukes are required to delete the entire digital economy via geomagnetic storm, everyone loses but some players lose more than others. We *should* avoid backing Russia into a corner where how fucked they'll be by our nukes is worth how fucked we'll be.

In my opinion, the US, NATO, Ukraine, and Russia are all pants-shitting retarded for the constant escalation. Putin is the most at fault but the west has hardly helped the situation.

Russian elites have 100% everything to loose, because none of it is in Russia.

Low born regular Russians may not have much to loose (except their outdoor shitters), but in fact Putin and pretty much anyone of importance there, lives/has real estate outside of Russia, have families outside of Russia. Most Duma members have foreign citizenships.

Sure, shit is bad right now and a lot of people got sanctioned, but it will pass eventually, so there will be ways to recover fortunes.

Russia is not in the corner, Ukraine is. RF troops aren't the same "polite men" they have been in Crimea. Surrendering means loosing territory, any claims to compensation, hundreds of thousands of displaced people, perma-fucked economy. Under Russian occupation it's total looting, rape and murder. Ukrainians haven't got much choice, they are in the corner, not Putin and not Russia.
 
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